Just got back from Donny where I went to look at 221. It's a long way to go for one lot, but it was almost worth it!
She was a bit ordinary but no real problems and I am wondering if she is one that got away. . .
I hope no one on here got her ( via BBA(Ire) )

Bad luck PotM. I liked her page, at least you got bid on her. It's not a bad sale to get a cheap one from as you have just enough time to get them covered. Unfortunatley there is never that many available and you have to be a bit lucky. I got one from there last year and got her in foal to Mon Bond. She came out of Mark Johnson's and has grown and looks much better than on the day I bought her.

There are not many sales about now, I suppose it will have to be Tatta July now if you want a foal next year.

You've intrigued me PotM - do you know something about that one thats not on the page?  I'm struggling to see the angle - particularly given our other discussion about your priorities when trying to buy... the Love Academy bit and Medicean fillies in general I get but even if you dont rate Given, the filly isnt any good. 4yo was moderate, exciting siblings Donny not bothered to put on page?

Bits and Bobs yer ma, nothing hugely exciting perhaps. Oh lawks now P D is out to get me too - am I going to be drummed out of the playground?

In my defence! The filly has run again since the catalogue, is sound and hopefully should improve - I reckoned to run her on and hunt for a win but it would need to be a trip admittedly. Quite strongly made she could have got a sharper looking foal than perhaps she deserved to. There is also a 250k Dubawi 2yo to run this year, but with the magically offputting J. Ferguson listed as purchaser!

I'm not sure I have posted too many reasons in the past why such a mare would be undesirable.
Sure I'd rather it wasn't a German page but at least it is one of very the best ones. Medicean, Acetenango, Shirley Heights and a good 2yo for a 3 parts sister. And very very most importantly the potential to get a good looking foal as she was all Medicean not at all German. I think a page like that is more likely to hit that particular goal than a sharper but lesser one.
Incedentally I wasn't the only one as she was the most popular horse there I reckon!!

You are quite right yer ma that I would be better spending 10 or 12 on something in foal. If I can find that in july then I will be delighted. Finding something you like though - well you sort have got to strike when the object is right don't you, I'm not sure that holding out for the right wrapping is ever very successful. I'll be at July but I don't hold your confidence that the tif's will be that desirable. Fillies maybe.

Having raced a couple of fillies in the last few years I can only offer my condolences to you! Make sure you really want to do it before you commit. I think that you need to really feel the protagonist has the scope to be a stakes performer because I don't think 15 - 20k a season is justified by a simple win I'm afraid. I was partially lucky with my experience but it taught me to be very wary before I try again.

I want to work towards the time when if the market won't wear them then I shan't try to either.

Well a local trainer commented that she looked the type to win a bumper...eyebrows were raised.  Silly money lots aside, its a mixed start to the sales year so I reckon July might be ok for mares by or in foal to some quieter stallions.

yer ma. She did look the type that could win a bumper, the main thing is that she didn't look like the type that could win a steeplechase!! They are the ones to avoid inmyopinion

My new best friend truehoncho (this has nothing atall remotely to do with the fact that he agrees with me and that the rest of you Know nothings can go and visit www.takeajump.com ) I think you speak wisely on the matter but it is quite late and she is only a 3yo so in a funny sort of way the money and the potential heartache involved in trying to cover is perhaps equal to sending her into training for a month. - ok so not financially but certainly stress wise. I think that with something that is sound and racing you only have to throw a couple of months training at them to find out your fate, and a Medicean german IS going to improve.

5k for all that black type and a likeable individual? I'll go to any sale you guys recommend if you can guarantee that is available!

Slippy Blue, it works - so get posting

I too went to Doncaster for lot 221 but went for more than my budget.  The other mare I looked at was the Marju mare retired injuryed but weakish first dam and nothing to run put me off.  Ill be looking at May sale for another potential bargian.

^^I know the feeling......but I'll skip the mucking out bit!

Shame it looks like Marjie going abroad, vested interest albeit an underachieving one.

I'm sure the lads would indeed let me muck out a box,I'll have you know I have mucked a box out.......well once and that was years ago.But one thing I do remember is the lads at the time thought my effort was very funny to watch and all told me to "stick to the day job"......I've never regretted taking their advice!

Prima. Worry not it's all sorted.

I've been working out how to improve your core skills - mucking out, cleaning brass, washing tails etc etc. SO, it's been decided you shall come over here as a working student so you can ultimately be of more use if and when you get back home. There's a little caravan waiting for you in the yard and it'll be like home from home once you've removed the Rat poison and disinfectant stored there now. The Privy is less than 100 metres away and you can get hot water from there too.

Luckily I have found a gracious benefactor who will sponser your education and although they are actively involved in training future stud staff in the home land, they were particularly keen on you  taking a foreign placement.
So generous has she been - using terms like 'How much do you want?' and 'I don't care what it takes' that you are signed up for a 5 year placement and she has then taken an option to extend the contract if necessary.

I think your toothbrush is already packed . . .

Sorry Somerset Sam, my eye was not caught!

Even with the HIT sales and Dec Mare sales at Tatts and the Goffs Nov sales on the horizon don't forget my advice to look at what Brightwells has to offer. Child Bride went from 800gns to 13,000 in a matter of weeks and there is another potentially interesting mare in the current catalogue. Have a look at Lot 29. I'm not saying that she will provide such a quick return as Child Bride, but I do think there is a margin in her. I think if she were mine she would be heading to Whitsbury in the New Year to their older chestnut horse. See what you think. Poss one for Truehoncho?

Lot 29 must be worth a look for someone. I am overstocked with flotsam unfortunately so I am trying to steer clear as punishment for not deciding how best to 'recycle' what's already here!

PD you know me better than I do!!

I have been to Tatts but the one's I like went for too much. I quite fancy 112 at Doncaster, any thoughts?

I like 29 very much. I agree with PP concerns but his should be reflected in the price and I think there is no reason wht she couldn't get a good one. She wasn't expensive as a yearling but out of a Green Desert mare and at one point rated in the 90's and beat that stallion prospect Sayif.

In honesty I have been trying to get somethiing a bit better and may wait until December. I have a Kheleyf foal going through Tatts and if he does ok I will put that towards a nice filly.

Truehoncho,for me lot 112's only real appeal is firstly her sire and then the fact her dam has a yearling colt by Invincible Spirit and a colt foal by Fastnet Rock.They might help but they'd need too the help anything in the future along,take them out and what have you left?............not much really.The page can look deceivingly attractive now but it could go cold very quickly.

The fact White Shift ran so many times would not put me off at all,if nothing else it shows how tough and sound she is.I have a mare here who herself ran close to 40 times winning only a couple of low grade races,she has class in her  3rd dam.When I retired her and sent her off to stud she was covererd only once and went straight in-foal,the resulting colt won a GR race.Lot 29 is one I'd not be so quick to overlook,Pot M's point above is correct imo!

He looks a good sort truehoncho,I like him.he's got plenty of bone and has scope a good colour yes a nice foal.I always thought you are a man I see that's not the case.Nice weather you have.Get an agent to bid for you if you take the commercial view with White Shift,personally of your two choices I'd rather a trip to Ascot then on to Compton Place.

And there was me thinking of raising my kilt to ye!

I would like to be wise before and not the wise man after.
So here's my input for whats it worth!

Lot 29 is a no go..Top race G3 f [last] as a 2yo.
6 months later sold for 12k as a 3yo after winning c6 1k seller at bath.
2 more years of running in c6 1k level. black type none.

Est value 2k [not that I wouldn't pay anymore than £800 for her].

Yes the mating with C.P would be ideal,but that would mean 2k for her 6.5k for the mating plus costs,all for a mare in foal for the sales!No change out of 10k+

P.S Great looking Kheleyf foal Truehoncho.Is there a lot no for him at Tatts?

Suprised they put her in the sale if they weren't going to let her go for 4k. She was said to be very small.