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Just been looking at some of the progeny of Giant's Gauseway, who stands in the US at USD100,000, in particular those that have run at Kempton.
I'm astounded by how unsuccesful they seem to be considering the sums paid.
Just been looking at some of the progeny of Giant's Gauseway, who stands in the US at USD100,000, in particular those that have run at Kempton.
I'm astounded by how unsuccesful they seem to be considering the sums paid.
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Got a decent all weather record overall, what is his Kempton record out of interest? I'm a big fan of him, reckon he'll get even better mares for the next couple of years, picking up Storm Cat's old ones.
Have I got this right your questioning Giant Causeways fee on his Kempton runners stats. I think his $100,000 fee is more on him been last years North American Champion Sire think he was the sire with most stakes winners aswell in North America.
I think Giantscauseway may end up being at least as good if not better than his sire Stormcat.
Why does Storm Cat not show up under Stormbird sired horses ( ratings ) on the Racing Post website ?
Storm Cat ran before the Racing Post kept records of form so he wouldn't appear on there. Personally would like to see them go back and add significant older horses' records, don't see why they don't to be honest.
Just checked out his race record was a very good 2yo in America, just beaten in the Breeders Cup Juvenile.
His most expensive yearling runs tomorrow in Dubai, Jalil.
He looked to be progressing well ,until they raced him in the Dubai World Cup.
He's a nice looking horse from the photos I've seen and obviously has a good pedigree so probably the plan at some point. Not sure he'll get the 9.7 million back still though!
Depends on his price surely? Wouldn't have thought he'd be standing in Britain anyway due to him being a dirt horse.
I remember Nick Mordin raving about this horses speed figure when he won the Gpr 2 race in Dubai , think he tipped him against Curlin in the World Cup.
Did GCW get any good 2yos , now 3yos in Europe, or any to look out for ?
Shintoh, ran in the maiden race won by Kingsfort, has a top class pedigree, Trained by Bolger , and only 2 races :0 Could make a nice 3yo.
Eightfold Path (NAP)
Wachman has one out of All too Beautiful who will be worth watching out for!
Wachman has one out of All too Beautiful who will be worth watching out for!
jmc27, Eightfold Path, excellent pedigree, from what he has shown to date on the course may struggle to get 1 mile, still open to loads of improvement and with a top trainer P.Bary.
Forgot about Eightfold Path, out of Divine Proportions. The Niarchos family colours long overdue in the winner's enclosure for a classic.
he has been somewhat disapointing relative to expectations entering stud but he is the sire of the current KY Derby fav Eskerendaya
I think it`s fair to say GC has not delivered on his initial promise, particularly in Europe.
His first crop was exceptional but now he seems more likely to sire a champion chase winner than a Gr1 miler!
Still never detract from his performances on the racecourse though. What a horse!
His first crop was exceptional but now he seems more likely to sire a champion chase winner than a Gr1 miler!
Still never detract from his performances on the racecourse though. What a horse!
My initial reason for starting the thread, was not to knock GC, merely to point out that his progeny are doing rather badly over 7/8f at Kempton. My theory is that they need 10f.
Several of the running comments seem to be similar to tonights;
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11 6 Goolagong (IRE) 8/11F 3 8-10 R M Beckett
Several of the running comments seem to be similar to tonights;
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11 6 Goolagong (IRE) 8/11F 3 8-10 R M Beckett
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/awesome-act-slammed-by-eskendereya-in-america/699179/top/
I suppose Coolmore wont mind if he cant win races around Kempton if he gets the Kentucky Derby winner!
I suppose Coolmore wont mind if he cant win races around Kempton if he gets the Kentucky Derby winner!
Very impressive, worthy favourite although was a really slow pace and Awesome Act pulled like a train for 75% of the race.
Didn`t see it but he appears to be the one to beat in Kentucky. Not before time he`s got a decent dirt animal!
For sure, a performance like that gets people talking, especially as it's his second time doing it. Still the Lexington and Blue Grass Stakes to go which could shake things up further.
Just to add, the first time he did that sort of performance the two horses behind him got a 1-2 in their next race, a Group 1, so the form may be stacking up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iz-0cgWTYk
Interesting. Awesome Act looks like he's going to make a move coming round the bend but Eskendreya just powers away. Impressive stuff. Despite Noseda's comments I can't see how AA could realistically hope to turn that round.
Interesting. Awesome Act looks like he's going to make a move coming round the bend but Eskendreya just powers away. Impressive stuff. Despite Noseda's comments I can't see how AA could realistically hope to turn that round.
STELLAR MANIPULATOR 25 Mar 21:21
he has been somewhat disapointing relative to expectations entering stud but he is the sire of the current KY Derby fav Eskerendaya
Giant Strides 25 Mar 23:08
I think it`s fair to say GC has not delivered on his initial promise, particularly in Europe.
His first crop was exceptional but now he seems more likely to sire a champion chase winner than a Gr1 miler!
Eh where have these statements been pulled from? How can the leading sire in the States and leading stakes sire be disappointing.
He is now showing like his sire he is a sire of sires too.
The champion chase winner more than a grp one miler wtf is this about. He had the top female miler last year in the UK the classic winning Ghannti.
Not to bad for a sire that doesnt even stand in Europe.
he has been somewhat disapointing relative to expectations entering stud but he is the sire of the current KY Derby fav Eskerendaya
Giant Strides 25 Mar 23:08
I think it`s fair to say GC has not delivered on his initial promise, particularly in Europe.
His first crop was exceptional but now he seems more likely to sire a champion chase winner than a Gr1 miler!
Eh where have these statements been pulled from? How can the leading sire in the States and leading stakes sire be disappointing.
He is now showing like his sire he is a sire of sires too.
The champion chase winner more than a grp one miler wtf is this about. He had the top female miler last year in the UK the classic winning Ghannti.
Not to bad for a sire that doesnt even stand in Europe.
Waiting for GC - last 1 in three 5s and a 5
up stepped observatory - circa 1999
up stepped observatory - circa 1999
That Esk will be bought by Coolmore i would imagine. The owner has big financial problems
Waiting for GC - last 1 in three 5s and a 5
up stepped observatory - circa 1999
I read this fifteen mins ago and I`m still trying to make sense of it!
What does it mean please?
up stepped observatory - circa 1999
I read this fifteen mins ago and I`m still trying to make sense of it!
What does it mean please?
Eh where have these statements been pulled from? How can the leading sire in the States and leading stakes sire be disappointing.
He is now showing like his sire he is a sire of sires too.
The champion chase winner more than a grp one miler wtf is this about. He had the top female miler last year in the UK the classic winning Ghannti.
Not to bad for a sire that doesnt even stand in Europe.
jmc27. Stats dont lie and he has performed well in North America, but Ghanaati was his first horse of note in Europe since his first crop, 4 years previously. Thats not especially noteworthy, is it? Also. Given she won a 1000G on her first turf start I don`t think it was much to expect her to improve and she didn`t.
The APOB 2yo thread probably answers your question without my need. He has only one GC 2yo in his string this year! If he was my stallion and he was that good I`d like to think I run more than one of his offspring! I dont think they have 30 more Galileos for the good of their health!
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed.
He is now showing like his sire he is a sire of sires too.
The champion chase winner more than a grp one miler wtf is this about. He had the top female miler last year in the UK the classic winning Ghannti.
Not to bad for a sire that doesnt even stand in Europe.
jmc27. Stats dont lie and he has performed well in North America, but Ghanaati was his first horse of note in Europe since his first crop, 4 years previously. Thats not especially noteworthy, is it? Also. Given she won a 1000G on her first turf start I don`t think it was much to expect her to improve and she didn`t.
The APOB 2yo thread probably answers your question without my need. He has only one GC 2yo in his string this year! If he was my stallion and he was that good I`d like to think I run more than one of his offspring! I dont think they have 30 more Galileos for the good of their health!
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed.
Jack The Giant :x
I would say if Coolmore do have any good Giant's Causeways then they'd be sent to an American trainer because he's an American stallion, they sent Pletcher Connemara for example.
I would say if Coolmore do have any good Giant's Causeways then they'd be sent to an American trainer because he's an American stallion, they sent Pletcher Connemara for example.
Giants Causeway seems to have found his niche in America.....they cant have it all. Who needs him anyways to have good crops in Europe. If Montjeu/Galileo/Danehill Dancer wasnt good enough with Holy Roman/Dylan Thomas/Duke/Henry/MC all coming through not to mention current sire's racing like St Nick RVW etc etc.
Really they have the whole thing packaged beautifully....couldn't have wished or asked for more success than they are getting.
Lets not be too picky..;). Life never works out the way one Plans
Really they have the whole thing packaged beautifully....couldn't have wished or asked for more success than they are getting.
Lets not be too picky..;). Life never works out the way one Plans
Given his breeding it is amazing he did so well on turf himself.
Was always going to be a dirt sire.
Was always going to be a dirt sire.
Giant Strides 04 Apr 19:09
jmc27. Stats dont lie and he has performed well in North America, but Ghanaati was his first horse of note in Europe since his first crop, 4 years previously. Thats not especially noteworthy, is it? Also. Given she won a 1000G on her first turf start I don`t think it was much to expect her to improve and she didn`t.
The APOB 2yo thread probably answers your question without my need. He has only one GC 2yo in his string this year! If he was my stallion and he was that good I`d like to think I run more than one of his offspring! I dont think they have 30 more Galileos for the good of their health!
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed.
Giant Strides I think your really struggling here to see the point why a Breeder Cup Classic second son of Storm Cat out of the fastest winner of the Turway BC distaff and a dirt graded winner at 2-3-4 is based at Ashford and isnt been marketed here. He stood in Ireland for HIS FIRST AND ONLY season that crop he got Shamardal, Footstepsinthesand and Maids Causeway. Now with that start he could have stayed here but why when he appeals so much to one market the USA. Now ask yourself this how many Galileos do Coolmore run in America? You seeing a pattern here?
BTW your point about NH is pointless plenty of flat sires get NH horses, just because they have a Cheltenham fav doesnt make him a NH sire.
jmc27. Stats dont lie and he has performed well in North America, but Ghanaati was his first horse of note in Europe since his first crop, 4 years previously. Thats not especially noteworthy, is it? Also. Given she won a 1000G on her first turf start I don`t think it was much to expect her to improve and she didn`t.
The APOB 2yo thread probably answers your question without my need. He has only one GC 2yo in his string this year! If he was my stallion and he was that good I`d like to think I run more than one of his offspring! I dont think they have 30 more Galileos for the good of their health!
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed.
Giant Strides I think your really struggling here to see the point why a Breeder Cup Classic second son of Storm Cat out of the fastest winner of the Turway BC distaff and a dirt graded winner at 2-3-4 is based at Ashford and isnt been marketed here. He stood in Ireland for HIS FIRST AND ONLY season that crop he got Shamardal, Footstepsinthesand and Maids Causeway. Now with that start he could have stayed here but why when he appeals so much to one market the USA. Now ask yourself this how many Galileos do Coolmore run in America? You seeing a pattern here?
BTW your point about NH is pointless plenty of flat sires get NH horses, just because they have a Cheltenham fav doesnt make him a NH sire.
Giant Strides 04 Apr 19:09
jmc27. Stats dont lie and he has performed well in North America, but Ghanaati was his first horse of note in Europe since his first crop, 4 years previously. Thats not especially noteworthy, is it? Also. Given she won a 1000G on her first turf start I don`t think it was much to expect her to improve and she didn`t.
The APOB 2yo thread probably answers your question without my need. He has only one GC 2yo in his string this year! If he was my stallion and he was that good I`d like to think I run more than one of his offspring! I dont think they have 30 more Galileos for the good of their health!
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed.
Giant Strides I think your really struggling here to see the point why a Breeder Cup Classic second son of Storm Cat out of the fastest winner of the Turway BC distaff and a dirt graded winner at 2-3-4 is based at Ashford and isnt been marketed here. He stood in Ireland for HIS FIRST AND ONLY season that crop he got Shamardal, Footstepsinthesand and Maids Causeway. Now with that start he could have stayed here but why when he appeals so much to one market the USA. Now ask yourself this how many Galileos do Coolmore run in America? You seeing a pattern here?
BTW your point about NH is pointless plenty of flat sires get NH horses, just because they have a Cheltenham fav doesnt make him a NH sire.
jmc27. Stats dont lie and he has performed well in North America, but Ghanaati was his first horse of note in Europe since his first crop, 4 years previously. Thats not especially noteworthy, is it? Also. Given she won a 1000G on her first turf start I don`t think it was much to expect her to improve and she didn`t.
The APOB 2yo thread probably answers your question without my need. He has only one GC 2yo in his string this year! If he was my stallion and he was that good I`d like to think I run more than one of his offspring! I dont think they have 30 more Galileos for the good of their health!
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed.
Giant Strides I think your really struggling here to see the point why a Breeder Cup Classic second son of Storm Cat out of the fastest winner of the Turway BC distaff and a dirt graded winner at 2-3-4 is based at Ashford and isnt been marketed here. He stood in Ireland for HIS FIRST AND ONLY season that crop he got Shamardal, Footstepsinthesand and Maids Causeway. Now with that start he could have stayed here but why when he appeals so much to one market the USA. Now ask yourself this how many Galileos do Coolmore run in America? You seeing a pattern here?
BTW your point about NH is pointless plenty of flat sires get NH horses, just because they have a Cheltenham fav doesnt make him a NH sire.
Well you obviously don`t see my point then. How many A.P Indys or Mr Greeleys do you see running under NH rules in comparison. Are they not U.S based dirt sires?
Yesterday he had a slow bumper winner failing to win a 3 mile h`cap hurdle off 98 around Fakenham. For one who stands in America he gets his fair share of runners that end up in ploughed British and Irish fields during the winter.
His first crop was met with a very mixed reaction in the sales ring considering the incredible book of mares he had and it was a surprise they did so well. He was the sexiest option for breeders in years given his pedigree looks and ability. I`m sure you`ll agree he hasn`t reached anywhere near those first season heights since.
The point about Galileos progeny is moot. He`s a turf sire like his father before. He couldn`t raise a leg in the B.C Classic so racing his progeny over there where turf racing is a poor 2nd wouldn`t make much sense to me. I`d imagine thats exactly what Coolmore think too.
APOB is their preeminent trainer. He gets the best and the others get the rest, thats the way I view it , and they cant appear to find even a half decent offspring of his.
This is trivial, but I presume you meant "come back here" not "stay", because he was standing in the U.S. for a couple of years before Shamardal etc came along?
So he was born to be a dirt sire and stand over there, yet Eskendereya is his first classic crop dirt horse of note in 7 years and you`re arguing before he even delivers on that promise! Thats pretty average in my book considering the numbers he`s sired.
My favourite ever racehorse, but as a stallion, the jury is still well and truly deliberating.
Yesterday he had a slow bumper winner failing to win a 3 mile h`cap hurdle off 98 around Fakenham. For one who stands in America he gets his fair share of runners that end up in ploughed British and Irish fields during the winter.
His first crop was met with a very mixed reaction in the sales ring considering the incredible book of mares he had and it was a surprise they did so well. He was the sexiest option for breeders in years given his pedigree looks and ability. I`m sure you`ll agree he hasn`t reached anywhere near those first season heights since.
The point about Galileos progeny is moot. He`s a turf sire like his father before. He couldn`t raise a leg in the B.C Classic so racing his progeny over there where turf racing is a poor 2nd wouldn`t make much sense to me. I`d imagine thats exactly what Coolmore think too.
APOB is their preeminent trainer. He gets the best and the others get the rest, thats the way I view it , and they cant appear to find even a half decent offspring of his.
This is trivial, but I presume you meant "come back here" not "stay", because he was standing in the U.S. for a couple of years before Shamardal etc came along?
So he was born to be a dirt sire and stand over there, yet Eskendereya is his first classic crop dirt horse of note in 7 years and you`re arguing before he even delivers on that promise! Thats pretty average in my book considering the numbers he`s sired.
My favourite ever racehorse, but as a stallion, the jury is still well and truly deliberating.
Aiden O'Brien doesnt get the best Giants Causeway's and i was told that by a person who is very close with purchasing and controlling Coolmore stock so i dont know how you think he's getting the best ones.
Aiden O'brien doesn't get all the best ones it's just hes a super trainer David Wachman gets his fair share maybe he even gets to many and he really isnt delivering with what hes getting
Aiden O'brien doesn't get all the best ones it's just hes a super trainer David Wachman gets his fair share maybe he even gets to many and he really isnt delivering with what hes getting
Why is that now GS. I think you need to start going out and about in the Bloodstock world and stop getting all your news on the net
Well I guess I`ll have to take your word for it, although its harder to do when you cant even spell the mans name properly!
Sorry theres two ways of spelling it i just mixed them up you really do think you know it all wake up good man
OK, I`ll admit that was petty but you`re the one claiming to have the inside information, I`m just going on what I see with my blue eyes.
Nancy Sexton was beefing him up in the RP bloodstock section yesterday. Personally, I dont think leading a prize money list is a great indicator of a top sire.
Name the globally renowned prestigious races he has sired the winners of?
How many B.C wins has he had?
Why do his best progeny not progress or stand much racing?
I have merely been expressing an opinion on this thread. Some points backed up with reality.
Sorry if you dont agree.
The Iron Racehorse not The Iron Stallion.
Nancy Sexton was beefing him up in the RP bloodstock section yesterday. Personally, I dont think leading a prize money list is a great indicator of a top sire.
Name the globally renowned prestigious races he has sired the winners of?
How many B.C wins has he had?
Why do his best progeny not progress or stand much racing?
I have merely been expressing an opinion on this thread. Some points backed up with reality.
Sorry if you dont agree.
The Iron Racehorse not The Iron Stallion.
I'm not arguing with you about Giants Causeway failing to deliver as a stallion as i agree he has lived up to what was expected of him. I was on about the horses that Aidan O'Brien gets as yes i thought to that he got the best GC's that come to Europe and that probably is the case but the very best of GC off spring stay in America.Most of these are owned by the men behind Ballydoyle and are in different names.
To tell the truth i'm actually staying up waiting for a mare to foal and this is kind of strange but the mare is in foal to Shamardal who is a son of Giants Causeway that is the reason i went onto this thread in the first place.
To tell the truth i'm actually staying up waiting for a mare to foal and this is kind of strange but the mare is in foal to Shamardal who is a son of Giants Causeway that is the reason i went onto this thread in the first place.
Rip Van,did your mare foal?if so what did she have?I hope it all went al-right without any problems.
Fair enough rvw. Hope everything went well.
I think it would be safe to say he/she wont end up with APOB!
I think it would be safe to say he/she wont end up with APOB!
Still no foal she's gone 9 days over now but she's an old mare so everything will be grand Hopefully. PD do you foal your own mares?
Giant Strides 06 Apr 09:58
Well you obviously don`t see my point then. How many A.P Indys or Mr Greeleys do you see running under NH rules in comparison. Are they not U.S based dirt sires?
Yesterday he had a slow bumper winner failing to win a 3 mile h`cap hurdle off 98 around Fakenham. For one who stands in America he gets his fair share of runners that end up in ploughed British and Irish fields during the winter.
Ap Indy gets a runner on the flat if your lucky in a year over here ffs where is his appeal to European buyers who want to race in European races. Most NH runners these days are flat cast offs or if you look at the leading NH sires in UK and Eire they are flat horses and your giving out about Giants Causeway and your using Mr Greeley as an example :o. Im confident people UK side hadnt heard of Mr Greeley till Finsceal Bio.
The NH argument you are using is pointless anyway. Your champion chase over a grp1 miler reference is a joke based on a Cheltenham fav v Ghannti, Internallyflawless and Cowboy Cal (9f) last year
His first crop was met with a very mixed reaction in the sales ring considering the incredible book of mares he had and it was a surprise they did so well. .
What? Some evidence of this please
The point about Galileos progeny is moot. He`s a turf sire like his father before. He couldn`t raise a leg in the B.C Classic so racing his progeny over there where turf racing is a poor 2nd wouldn`t make much sense to me. I`d imagine thats exactly what Coolmore think too.
APOB is their preeminent trainer. He gets the best and the others get the rest, thats the way I view it , and they cant appear to find even a half decent offspring of his.
If its so moot why are you going on about Giants Causeway in Europe turf races then!
Aidan OBrien 1st crop Guineas winner. Of course APOB gets the top horses but horses that suit European racing the last few years. Todd Pletcher is their man stateside just look at where their expensive dirt breed sales purchases have gone the last few years.
This is trivial, but I presume you meant "come back here" not "stay", because he was standing in the U.S. for a couple of years before Shamardal etc came along?
Trivial you ahve done plenty yourself!
So he was born to be a dirt sire and stand over there, yet Eskendereya is his first classic crop dirt horse of note in 7 years and you`re arguing before he even delivers on that promise! Thats pretty average in my book considering the numbers he`s sired.
Where have you pulled that from Noble Causeway and First Samurai, where all low in the betting for triple crown races.
If your argument is based around siring Kentucky derby or Triple Crown winners well you mustnt think much of his sire Storm Cat then either it took him a long time to get a classic winner in the States as for his Kentucky record. American breeders as much look for millionaire makers as classic winners.
Giants Causeway like his legendary sire Storm Cat and his Storm Cats dam sire Secretariat passes on the genes and if any of his first season sires stateside take off like Shamardal did here last year Giants Causeway is going be a very successful sire.
Well you obviously don`t see my point then. How many A.P Indys or Mr Greeleys do you see running under NH rules in comparison. Are they not U.S based dirt sires?
Yesterday he had a slow bumper winner failing to win a 3 mile h`cap hurdle off 98 around Fakenham. For one who stands in America he gets his fair share of runners that end up in ploughed British and Irish fields during the winter.
Ap Indy gets a runner on the flat if your lucky in a year over here ffs where is his appeal to European buyers who want to race in European races. Most NH runners these days are flat cast offs or if you look at the leading NH sires in UK and Eire they are flat horses and your giving out about Giants Causeway and your using Mr Greeley as an example :o. Im confident people UK side hadnt heard of Mr Greeley till Finsceal Bio.
The NH argument you are using is pointless anyway. Your champion chase over a grp1 miler reference is a joke based on a Cheltenham fav v Ghannti, Internallyflawless and Cowboy Cal (9f) last year
His first crop was met with a very mixed reaction in the sales ring considering the incredible book of mares he had and it was a surprise they did so well. .
What? Some evidence of this please
The point about Galileos progeny is moot. He`s a turf sire like his father before. He couldn`t raise a leg in the B.C Classic so racing his progeny over there where turf racing is a poor 2nd wouldn`t make much sense to me. I`d imagine thats exactly what Coolmore think too.
APOB is their preeminent trainer. He gets the best and the others get the rest, thats the way I view it , and they cant appear to find even a half decent offspring of his.
If its so moot why are you going on about Giants Causeway in Europe turf races then!
Aidan OBrien 1st crop Guineas winner. Of course APOB gets the top horses but horses that suit European racing the last few years. Todd Pletcher is their man stateside just look at where their expensive dirt breed sales purchases have gone the last few years.
This is trivial, but I presume you meant "come back here" not "stay", because he was standing in the U.S. for a couple of years before Shamardal etc came along?
Trivial you ahve done plenty yourself!
So he was born to be a dirt sire and stand over there, yet Eskendereya is his first classic crop dirt horse of note in 7 years and you`re arguing before he even delivers on that promise! Thats pretty average in my book considering the numbers he`s sired.
Where have you pulled that from Noble Causeway and First Samurai, where all low in the betting for triple crown races.
If your argument is based around siring Kentucky derby or Triple Crown winners well you mustnt think much of his sire Storm Cat then either it took him a long time to get a classic winner in the States as for his Kentucky record. American breeders as much look for millionaire makers as classic winners.
Giants Causeway like his legendary sire Storm Cat and his Storm Cats dam sire Secretariat passes on the genes and if any of his first season sires stateside take off like Shamardal did here last year Giants Causeway is going be a very successful sire.
Anyway Giant Strides your fully entitled to your opinion but the way I see it your only looking at breeding from one angle!
These Coolmore mega sires can suffer massively from their massive books. Their ability to hack buyers/trainers off almost immediately because they've all trained a slow one soon enough and they then get to pick from so many good bad and indifferent at the sales. If you pile 'em high (mares) then you get to sell 'em cheap. A lot of G.C. yearlings don't walk and we love a good walk at the sales over here. Dirt horses have to dig deep into their surface and G.C. has that blocky U.S. style shoulder that suits, he is in the right place, for sure. They are never going to turn him into Gallileo / A.P.Indy as he lacks consistency and we know that Coolmore doesn't rate exclusivity either!
Rip Van,lets hope your mare gets on well good stallion hope you get a colt,yes the mares do foal here,but not by me Slick has a stud groom who does all that but she likes to see them being born,I will only if its not to late or if its my pet mare then I will always be watching.
Rip Van, I had a FILLY on Monday morning at 10.45 (the only upside) 363 days. Hope there's not a pattern here and you can get some sleep soon!
Congratulations. Hope she wins if you keep hold of her.
^^^^Same here Rip Van,will you sell her?Whats she going back to this year?
She's going back to him again. Alot of our matings have been changed from what i said on the Ghost Town thread it's prob the first year we've changed a few during the time when mares are getting covered even though the contracts have been signed
As for the Champion Chase reference. He was sire of last years Champion Bumper, and this years Albert Bartlett fav, the November Handicap winner, Rite of Passage.
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed
I dont think he s had that many NH winners, and only one Cheltenham winner - that was Benbane Head on 17th Oct 2009, who was anti post favourite for the Albert Bartlett before pulling out through injury.
However, he will win the World Hurdle in 2011 by all accounts, Big Bucks or no Big Bucks
He sires plenty of NH winners if you hadn`t noticed
I dont think he s had that many NH winners, and only one Cheltenham winner - that was Benbane Head on 17th Oct 2009, who was anti post favourite for the Albert Bartlett before pulling out through injury.
However, he will win the World Hurdle in 2011 by all accounts, Big Bucks or no Big Bucks
I`ve taken a fair bashing on this thread!
I must admit, I`ve probably been overly harsh on his performance thus far. I think it`s because there`s an element of disappointment involved. After his first season I was eagerly anticipating his subsequent crops and I really felt he was going backwards, by and large, with his European runners.
Tony Morris, whose views I always respect, reviewed Eskendereya pedigree in Thursdays RP, and he appears to have changed his tune re GC. Not a glowing tribute but a healthy respect of his achievements especially in North America. That`ll do for me.
By the way, todays good Gr2 Lonchamp winner and prospective classic filly Planteur has a familiar damsire!
I must admit, I`ve probably been overly harsh on his performance thus far. I think it`s because there`s an element of disappointment involved. After his first season I was eagerly anticipating his subsequent crops and I really felt he was going backwards, by and large, with his European runners.
Tony Morris, whose views I always respect, reviewed Eskendereya pedigree in Thursdays RP, and he appears to have changed his tune re GC. Not a glowing tribute but a healthy respect of his achievements especially in North America. That`ll do for me.
By the way, todays good Gr2 Lonchamp winner and prospective classic filly Planteur has a familiar damsire!
Im not a bloodstock expert, but when I did my research on Benbane Head, i came to the conclusion looking at the American results, that the offspring dont generally come into there own until they are 4-5 years old - does anyone agree with that or am i just being too simplistic?
Another GC fav beat over 7/8f at K; Chelsea Morning in 18:35
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