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Oasis Dream , the best stallion the Prince has got since he sold Danehill.
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Want to have a look at Arcano not sure if he has trained on looking at his poor show in the Greenham,but being a GR1 winning 2 y'old that beat both Canford Cliffs and Special Duty not to mention his July stakes victory this colt holds lot of appeal for next season,along with Showcasing who may though stay in training,his run yesterday did leave me wondering has he trained on?Do these two hold appeal to commercial breeders?
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Showcasing doesn't really appeal to me and i dont think that he will retire next year because he has not shown enough to retire to Banstead.
Arcano does look very interesting though as he was better than Aqlaam at two and aqlaam is out of a Rainbow Quest mare so that might not appeal to some  Arcano is out of a Daylami mare so they should be tough and hardy. He could possibly retire to Derrinstown as Aqlaam is in England |
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Rip Van,I did wonder if Arcano would go to Derrinstown,he would hold plenty of appeal over here,Aqlaam is one I don't like at all also his fertility is not so good I understand,I like showcasing on paper he looks a good sort too but he does need to improve a lot,Arcano would be the only son of OD in Ireland I'd guess he would be very popular if thats it for him how much do you think they could stand him for?I was thinking of about6/8k euro's?
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I'd say around 8 cause if there any lower in two years he'd be at around 5. He would get some amount of mares and with Marju not well at the moment i'm sure there thinking of finding a stallion and Arcano could be the one. I would send a mare to him as he would be very commercial. But if they are to retire him and hope he succeeds they should do it soon as the worst thing is if they kept racing him and doing no good. Showcasing isn't for me i'm afraid. A horse that i am interested in is Siyouni doubt he'll go to stud in Ireland but he's a group 1 winning two year old by Pivotal out of a Danehill mare from the family of Slickly would be interesting
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I don't know Rip Van I guess he will go to stud in France,I never know what to make of those Aga Khan family's,he always seems to get far more out of them than any of us could.Do you think Pivotal is a sire of sires?
Siyouni although early himself, comes from a middle'ish distance Aga family and with Pivotal behind him 1st time he may be okay,but I'm sure he'd be popular with first foals/yearlings but doubt we would send him one. |
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I'd like to give him a try as he wouldn't stand for much and considering how much pivotal stands for and good sons of danehill he could be relatively cheap and he's a group 1 winning two year old. Kyllachy hasn't been bad, Captain rion has done well with average books and i like the look of Excellent art have a filly by him so maybe Pivotal might not be bad
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P.D. I hope you've not failed us in your paddock duty at Royal Ascot. If I find out you spent the week mincing round trying to get on TV with your leopard print waistcoat. . .well I'll then have to admit that RipVan was right.
 I thought Siyouni did not look like the 2yo type we might have guessed him to be? I'd certainly need a closer look before I got enthused. Showcasing seemed to be a bit of a fat arsed 2yo type only. Does he have enough scope? The 3y0 sprinter syndrome could be affecting him? If he came back at 4 I'd forgive him a w/o 3yo career perhaps. Arcano. I've harped on before about how I struggle with the 2yo type that doesn't have a massive profile and doesn't train on. Whats more, my memory is better than the trainers! 6500 euros max for him. |
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Pot'M if Arcano is 6,500 euros then he offers good value. Undoubtedly he will be very popular at that price.
There was no mincing done by me Pot'M, of that you can be assured  and do I really strike you as the type to wear leopard print!Siyouni, I would agree with your view on that horse physically. I think he may be Sendawar the second, where you would think he will be commercial but just never really is. I am yet to be convinced about Pivotal as a sire of sires and also as a sire of 2yo in general. His daughters on the other hand do make good broodmares. Showcasing, a strong and quality 2yo type, I did like him. But was scratching my head after his run. He will have to do more to get the mare we want to send. I wouldn't think he could be described as lacking scope though. Main Aim, Completely different type to Showcasing, more like Selkirk. Hard to see him getting 2yo's. Being by OD will help him though and I'm sure he won't lack for mares. I could see him poss standing with David Redvers, same deal as Trade Fair. Tweenhills would be keen to cash in on the Oasis Dream wave atm. |
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I dont know really now i liked the look of Siyouni maybe if he proves more you will get the feeling i got about him.
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Rip Van, like you pointed out Excellent Art does have some nice stock. A friend of ours used him and had an outstanding filly, Larry Stratton had it it made 72,000. If EA does well with his runners then Siyouni will be sought after.
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Thanks for your paddock pick P.D., I reckon I might give up traipsing round looking at stallions and let you do it!
Funnily enough I was standing by the paddock with D. Redvers at last seasons July Cup discussing Main Aim! He did like him incidentally! Juddmonte are neurotic about letting stallion prospects go though I believe. Anything to do with D----ill perhaps!! I like Pivotal as a sire of anything really. Kyllachy and Captain Rio are really solid at what they do. And they are serious no pagers! A few more sons to go to war with and we should see. |
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Prix Morny hero Arcano retired to Derrinstown!Should be popular.
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I'd say we'll be having a look. Havent been on much lately was at goffs which was better than expected
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Looks like you guys are getting all the affordable speed - yet again!
We're getting the Cumberland Lodge winner from the Height of Fashion tribe !  Pleased that you found a bit of luck at Goffs Rip Van. Did all the guys feel they were just getting well paid for the obvious ones? Or was there a bit of money across the board? |
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potentialmillionaire Joined: 17 Mar 10
Replies: 426 02 Oct 10 14:10 Looks like you guys are getting all the affordable speed - yet again! Life's a bitch Pot M!Is he of interest to you?Classy little page red hot sire good early sort,should go down well,like Rip Van we will look at him ourselves. |
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Well at least they tried to race him this year!
I think that they will be rewarded for their endeavours too as I don't think he will suffer too much for a wilderness year. I am a lot more keen on him than a certain pair for whom connections signalled that any 3yo career was a waste of time - don't expect you to guess who they are Page is solid not spectacular me thinks, but pop Oasis Dream on top and you've got a definite goer, confirmation allowing ofcourse. |
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Would he temp you to send one or two over here?
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Maybe, I've got a barrener that I mentioned in relation to Starspangledbanner, who'd suit anything really as she's very classy and does a nice foal.
But as my constant refain goes, if he stands say at 8k I would be looking at an outlay of 11+ to get her home in foal. If Arcano then is deemed a cheapie come sales time, well I've had it with a filly probably. Nothing earth shattering with my musings I suppose but I guess staying at home would get me Equiano, Paco Boy and who knows what else with the same outlay but a higher profile. It needs to come down to which one has the looks and the genes that promise the same in his offspring I guess. But I'm keen to hear comments! |
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There it is then Arcano at 6k euro's,seems about right what do you think?Now Pot M does he hold enough appeal for you to send one over here at that price?And don't forget you pay Jan 1st.
Showcasing standing for 5k sterling Oct 1st,both these have plenty of appeal and are priced about the same,with using a Shadwell stallion if you get a nice colt then you do have a chance that they themselves may bid on it and poss' buy it,I'm not so sure Whitsbury support their sires.If you do Pot M you could get her back home for a total of say 8k looks value I'd say,what do you reckon?. |
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Bo**oc*s.
That hasn't made decisions any easier. I am prepared to pay a premium for a first season sire (tick) a restricted book (tick) and a commercially supported sire (tick) I think at that fee, he won't be available for very long. In my humbles he beats Showcasing just about hands down. However I would place 75% of my decision on looks. I suspect Showcasing wins that one, but I have seen neither. Any definitive thoughts Prima? And everyone else please. |
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Pot M,if you are thinking of him then put your name down as he has had so far 150 applications Shadwell are going to restrict his book to just 90 mares.They will sort out what they decide they will take in terms of quality hoping to give him his best chance,nothing will be decided until after Dec' sales!I reckon if you do use him in the long run he will cost you the same as going to Showcasing..........what a tough decision you may have to make.
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I always worry about going on a 'short list' as I never know what to do about putting the mare up for other stallions while they dither and then turn me down!
Am I being too sensitive Prima? I presume you will tell me to nominate all over the place and then turn down all but the strongest choice! Anyone got a handle on Arcano's confirmation yet? |
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I always worry about going on a 'short list' as I never know what to do about putting the mare up for other stallions while they dither and then turn me down!
Yes that is tricky and they really ought to get their act together sooner rather than later,I have not seen Arcano yet at Derrinstown but did see him race ages ago he was a strong sort reminds me of Bushranger.Why don't you pop over and take a look at him? |
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It'll have to be after December sales but if I can string a few together I might hop over.
His galloping photo left me unable to categorically deny the prescence of the beautiful and classy Daylami. That would have to be a factor! |
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I think it's what you call a honest head! |
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Gay O'Callaghan standing Approve at 5k euros,thought he would stand him at that fee under-cutting Arcano by a grand.Hoping to scoop up mares unable to get into Arcano,sensibly priced sure to be commercial at the price for the only other son of Oasis Dream here,I wonder if his brother Tony perhaps thinks Zebedee has been priced too expensively?I sure as hell do!
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