indeed dj

"Josie has been using the same tactic today she used to get rid of Caoimhe – going round other HMs spreading poison, exaggerating and saying things that Sam said he didn't actually say."

Such as what?

I asked for an example of what she has said about Sam that was wrong. You haven't provided an example.

So far I've seen him walk in and say "You're such a bitch Josie". He's continued to call her a "fat slag", thrown mud her in a sly way by saying "I don't know if your real or fake", constantly invaded her personal space by rubbing his crotch in her face, jumping on top of her on her bed, and most recently putting his arm on her shoulder and leaning on her whilst sticking his tongue out at her in a sexual manner, whilst continuing to prod away.

She is supposed to respond to this in what way exactly? She's no shrinking violet, so she'll never be seen as the victim, but this looks like a mild form of bullying to me, that could soon go over the edge. And I repeat, if some guy so much as came upto a girlfriend you had, put his arm on her shoulder and tried to deliberately wind her up, you'd at the very least have a word. If he actually went as far to rub his crotch in her face, at best he would leave in a police car, at worst he'd leave without a head.

Can you blame them?

You can get away with targeting the right HM. Josie doesn't have the vulnerability about her that Sunshine had. And actually because Sam looks the way he does, he's going to be able to get away with a lot of this, despite it clearly being terrible behaviour.

That moment in the kitchen just a few minutes ago where he put his arm on her shoulder and started wagging his tongue at her tells me all I need to know about him. You don't do that to any woman, and especially not someone you're clearly not fond of and you know can't stand you. It clearly made her feel uncomfortable and to see that sort of thing being justified by people because it's entertainment or she's supposed to be a bitch is depressing.

14.5 implies a 93% probability that SAM will not win

Not sure why this price is ridiculous

I don't tape the live feed TM so cannot quote examples but it was apparent Josie was doing her usual in exaggerating what Sam said in a bid to gain sympathy of other HMs, and actually largely failed. This is what I would describe as her slightly unhinged tendency.
What I've seen today on live feed from Sam is harmless banter but Josie cannot take it and has been very barbed, angry and spiteful in response, and very much over-reacting as is her wont.
Sam has articulated himself well probing the JJJ romance, and John James and most other HMs haven't taken offence.
TM, don't worry - Feltz has just come out in support of Josie and thinks she deserves to win - another woman who could do with having her fridge padlocked. So the sisters may yet help Josie over the line.

Feltz has never picked a winner.

She loved Rex for starters.

She is still going on about it now on live feed f.f.s.. As I said before, 'the lady doth protest too much me thinks'
Her negative rating seems to be increasing. I personally am finding it increasingly hard to see her winning and happy to have her red at this stage. John James is a different matter - his army of pre-pubescent tweenie fans are a dangerous force.
But I'm hoping one takes out the other. I get the general vibe from forums and threads that the average viewer has had enough of it all.

So you approve of Sam's behaviour towards her Henry?

God, you lot make it sound like he has come in and r*ped her.

No jr, just basic playground bullying. Andrew called it from the off - Sam reminded him of the kids that used to bully him at school for how he looked. Sam's clearly very adept at it.

"I don't tape the live feed TM so cannot quote examples but it was apparent Josie was doing her usual in exaggerating what Sam said in a bid to gain sympathy of other HMs, and actually largely failed. This is what I would describe as her slightly unhinged tendency."

From what I saw she told them pretty much what I heard him say.

"What I've seen today on live feed from Sam is harmless banter but Josie cannot take it and has been very barbed, angry and spiteful in response, and very much over-reacting as is her wont."

Whether or not it makes the HL show, I don't know, but when you know a girl does not like you, and you lean on her and start wagging your tongue at her like he did, you are invading her personal space, and almost being threatening. Appearances count for a lot, and because Sam looks like a harmless runt whereas she's a tough cookie, it will could come across as not being as horrid as it is. So far I've seen him try to make her feel quite uncomfortable both with what he has said and what he has done. And I'm seeing people cheer him on.

"Sam has articulated himself well probing the JJJ romance, and John James and most other HMs haven't taken offence."

He hasn't articulated why he has such a perverse interest in it.

Call me old fashioned. But the non-stop comparisons with cows and pigs, and calling her a bitch (whilst the biggest bitch Ben has been hero worshipped), is just beneath contempt.

Just trying to balance the argument dj.

josie and her cronies are close to becoming bullies

The Sunshine thing is in the minds of DS. A number of them had a problem with Sunshine not just opening the crisps for all of them when they'd had so little to eat. To blame Josie for all that is irrational. And to be honest, the criticism of Sunshine was justified that time imo. As for Keeva... She certainly told the truth about the fact that all Keeva did was bitch about people. We all saw that.

If anything, by not showing some of the things Keeva was doing with JJ, she wasn't being protected. I saw Keeva, after a conversation with Josie about how she was feeling, get up and go and lay with her head right near his lap. Why would you do that? And I don't know what the fuss about Sunshine's crisps was all about. Sunshine should have just opened them, and Josie along with others thought she was being a dick for not doing so. That was an incident that DS, people who have a pathological need to vilify someone to justify their extreme levels of spitefulness, and who have been resentful of Josie's relationship with JJ and the amount of HL show time it's gotten, have made a song and dance about which in actual fact was evidence more of Sunshine's own silliness than the bitchiness of anyone else. Sunshine was their chosen "victim" at that time. Amazing how someone can become a victim to them because people who were hungry were pissed off she wouldn't share her crisps.

15% is looming, taking all jj votes here