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i think it's just around the corner and that's not a bad thing - i think it's important to accept that some people will become addicted and have negative effects but overall i think there will be a large net benefit
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Looks like smoke and mirrors to me.
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1. Just because marijuana is listed as a schedule 1 drug which be definition states that it has "NO MEDICAL BENEFIT", does not mean that you should really believe any of the hype.
The US government that originally classed the plant, are the same ones who applied for the patent, with the US governement for the use of marijuana in medicine for its known properties for a huge range of ailments. The same government that approved the patent also, based on the facts. Just because it is accepted that marijuana is addictive, and whatever other rubbish they have spouted over the years, doesn't mean it is. It will be tough for the poplulation to accept that nearly everything we have been told about marijuana is 100% false, but step by step will have to do. |
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alcohol has a prescribed limit per blood volume for you to drive
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setting legal limits for car drivers etc would be tricky - not enough testing has been done to determine safety etc (and pls dont say dopers drive slower - that is not relevent imo lol) -
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but an interesting proposal nonetheless
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and yes re the history of the plant - was legal up until alcohol prohibition when they listed it incorrectly as a narcotic - and there it has stayed since
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and i am not in stop-start mode today ffs lol - the normal view rejects my Post Reply - i have to do it line by line on the Standard View - so fk it - i'll just be reading today now lolol
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who the f!ck claims that weed is addictive.........habitual yes, but addictive no way
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somethin strange goin on at your joint, TB.
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now do u mean, should i go home and check?
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somethin strange goin on at your joint, TB.
You are Logroller. Thebas is TB. Sheesh. Get off the grass, Loggy. |
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somethin strange goin on at your joint, TB. -
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See, Loggy? TB gets it!
Take a leaf. ![]() |
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OH OH i see now , I thought "TB" was something like LOL, TBH,ROFL,
HOW STUPID OF ME!! |
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DAY 4
The Australian forum presents thousands of BJT posts as evidence against the legalisation of Marijuana. Conference closes with everyone ROTFLTAO. |
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I have nothing against it used being used medicinally for people who suffer from chronic pain cancer sufferers etc the elderly and infirm but there are clearly far more problems associated with its use than many care to admit, not to mention that you are more inclined to try other more dangerous drugs if you're a user.
Below is the recent study I was referring to into its effects. Lets Elope 10 Sep 14 17:48 Joined: 05 May 06 | Topic/replies: 10,321 | Blogger: Lets Elope's blog https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/24943668/teen-cannabis-use-alert/ Teen cannabis use alert Cathy O'Leary Medical Editor The West Australian September 10, 2014, 2:10 am Teen cannabis use alert The West Australian Teen cannabis use is far from harmless, according to a landmark study that found even those who smoked it only occasionally were at higher risk of school dropout, suicidal behaviour and other drug use. In one of the biggest studies of its kind into Australia's most widely used illicit drug, researchers, including Curtin University's National Drug Research Institute, looked at cannabis use in 3765 teens aged under 17 and tracked them to the age of 25. Writing in The Lancet, researchers said teenagers who had cannabis daily were seven times more likely to try to take their own life, 18 times more likely to become dependent on cannabis and eight times more likely to use other illicit drugs. Even accounting for factors such as wealth and family issues, teen users were 60 per cent more likely to drop out of high school. The researchers said the risk of poor educational and health outcomes increased with more frequent cannabis use but findings showed there was no safe level. Even those who smoked it less than once a month had double the rate of cannabis dependence by age 25 and were 62 per cent more likely to attempt suicide. Lead researcher Edmund Sil-ins, from the University of NSW, said yesterday the results were strong evidence that teenage cannabis use was a direct cause of problems in young adult life, including mental health issues. "The findings are timely, given there are some moves to decriminalise or legalise cannabis, which might make it more accessible," Dr Silins said. The more cannabis was used in adolescence the worse off the user but there was still an effect from once-a-month a use. Co-researcher David Fergusson, of New Zealand's University of Otago, said the risks from teen cannabis use were specific to that drug and different from alcohol. He said though drinking was linked to problem behaviour such as aggression, the fallout from using cannabis included suicidal tendencies and low educational achievement. An estimated one in 25 Australian teenagers aged 14 to 19 use cannabis weekly. If you or someone you know is thinking of suicide, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 |
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Not again with the slabs of jibber-jabber
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Before you go on about me dismissing the article, let me try and elaborate on my point if it didn't come across. I will have a few attempts.
Did they get people before using cannabis and test the differences after they started using, or did they take people already using, and compare them with non users? Here is another attempt: In one of the biggest studies of its kind into Australia's most widely used prescription drug, researchers, including Curtin University's National Drug Research Institute, looked at aspirin use in 3765 teens aged under 17 and tracked them to the age of 25. Writing in The Lancet, researchers said teenagers who had aspirin daily were seven times more likely to try to take their own life, 18 times more likely to SUFFER DEBILITATING MIGRAINES on aspirin and eight times more likely to use other prescription drugs. Even accounting for factors such as wealth and family issues, teen users were 60 per cent more likely to drop out of high school. The researchers said the risk of poor educational and health outcomes increased with more frequent aspirin use but findings showed there was no safe level. Even those who used it less than once a month had double the rate of aspirin dependence by age 25 and were 62 per cent more likely to attempt suicide. Lead researcher Edmund Sil-ins, from the University of NSW, said yesterday the results were strong evidence that teenage aspirin use was a direct cause of problems in young adult life, including mental health issues. "The findings are timely, given there are some moves to decriminalise or legalise pharmaceutical drugs, which might make it more accessible," Dr Silins said. The more aspirin was used in adolescence the worse off the user but there was still an effect from once-a-month a use. Co-researcher David Fergusson, of New Zealand's University of Otago, said the risks from teen aspirin use were specific to that drug and different from alcohol. He said though drinking was linked to problem behaviour such as aggression, the fallout from using aspirin included suicidal tendencies and low educational achievement. An estimated one in 25 Australian teenagers aged 14 to 19 use cannabis weekly. If you or someone you know is thinking of suicide, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 Now if you were to read that, would you assume: A/ More people with debilitating migraines turned to aspirin. OR B/ Aspirin was causing people to have debilitating migraines? Show me a study of people that didn't use marijuana, and the negative effects it had after starting, or don't bother because showing a subset of people that are already more likely in all areas of the study, and concluding that marijuana is the cause, just isn't going to cut it sorry.... |
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all this is either here nor there, the biggest factor is simple, all drugs are bad for you, we know this, we know sugar is bad for us, junk food, milk so on and on we go.
it is not hard to get any drug you want, so the fight against drugs just doesn't work and it will never work so what we have here is substances and an industry that creates a massive amount of money for crims, there is only one larger industry and that is illegal arms, which is fuelled by the sale of illegal drugs. so to say because certain drugs are illegal we are protecting society is just pure fantasy. and to say drugs have an ill effect on children, well derr, that's why we put age limits out there and try to educate about the evils that surround our children. to me it's simple "legalize all drugs" cut off the the money supply to all the bad guys, and educate your children until they are old enough to make their own choices in life |
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BJT - if you are a user who doesn't like the fact there is a stigma attached to it, just say that mate. Your posts look like a convoluted attempt to justify your own choices.
If you had a son or daughter, would you force marijuana use on them? Would you encourage them to use it? Would you allow them to use it? If so, from what age? And how often? Or are you arguing it should only be used under medical supervision for treatment of certain ailments? The fittest, healthiest people I have known certainly did not get that way as a result of marijuana use. They get sufficient rest, eat natural foods, drink water, exercise regularly, sometimes vigorously, socialise well and get plenty of sunrays. Do some people need more than those things to be healthy? |
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At least you could drop back into your own thread BJT and tell me you know what junior double, you are right, or ffs junior you are a goose...or something.
I feel like I've been blanked. I'd rather be belittled, abused, mocked, derided, or even agreed with if you must. But don't ever f*cking blank me, I f*cking hate that. Grrrr. |
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give him time juniorbond... he's just getting over a slab and fifty bongs from yesterday
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Your lungs aren't designed to take in smoke of any kind they're designed to take in the air we breathe, period.
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take the words of harden hippy smokers...it aint marijuana that is addictive, its the nigatine from tabbaco mixed with it that is addictive.
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It may seem contradictive given I'm usually pro choice in these matters, but if there is one thing that isn't banned, and should be, it is cigarettes. Hardest of all drugs to kick is nicotine, and the fact there is so many smokers who want to quit, but can't, really says it all. And the facts are indesputeable, the damn things will kill you.
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junior007 • September 24, 2014 10:06 PM BST
The contents of this post have been hidden for this blocked user. [Manage blocked users] junior007 Report • Quote junior007 • September 28, 2014 3:12 AM BST The contents of this post have been hidden for this blocked user. [Manage blocked users] |
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BJT blocked a user........... OMFG
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How dare you stop me from stalking you BJT. C****.
I made you, you were a complete idiot before I guided you up the ladder to the rank of incomplete idiot. Dead set pansie, fair dinkum. Camp as a row of tents. Pelaco raiser. I am incensed, absolutely fuming. You read my post, felt you had no face saving answer, so you folded like a well oiled deck chair. Your husband needs to give you a few decent backhanders to make you wake up to yourself. The most gutless act I have seen on the forum, bar none. |
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It might be worth some other posters putting the questions to him about his children from my earlier post if anyone can be bothered.
Also maybe ask his ladyship if she takes marijuana, and if so, by what mode. |
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all the dope has got him paranoid. the whole world is out to get him .... he's an advertisement for the harm of being addicted to dope, he's become one if he wasn't already.
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I'll pass om your message for you Junior 007.
BJT, Junior has asked me to tell you (as you have him blocked) that he apologises for any offence he may have caused. He accepts the points you have made, and thanks you for your valuable and valid contribution. He also thinks you are very good looking. |
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Couldn't have put it better myself whoopi. Now she will unblock me, and get to read all my supportive comments herself.
Nobody blocks junior double O, it has never happened, never ever. People are usually very eager to read my highly insightful comments. I am still seething, can you appeal someone blocking you and get the block lifted? I can't see why I should take this lying down. |