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By:
secong coming.
When: 15 Sep 14 05:15
I would say Paul McGeough is eminently more qualified to comment on this than all of the MURDOCH LIBERAL

why? because he supports an opposing view? each view is worthy on its own merit....just because you favour one side doesn't mean you or the reporter are 'eminently more qualified to comment'

you have an unhealthy obsession with RM and TA...seriously AFL is it worth it?....there aint nothing you can do to change it except put your vote in every 3 years and suck up the result either way...this time around the good guys won  CoolCoolCool...after the 6 year debacle that was Rudd/Gillard/Rudd sent the country backwards......no such thing would have happened under Johnny's watch WinkWinkWink
By:
secong coming.
When: 15 Sep 14 05:15
you keep on relying on Alan the Amazing.....there's an own goal if ever there was one lol
By:
Thebas
When: 15 Sep 14 06:15
Shorten just avoiding the wedge. Who knows what Shorten would do if in Gov't im sure he would be more hesitant


no-one can speak for shorten other than shorten .. and he said and the labor party support the UA

or is he on the threshold of deceiving the public like his twice removed counterpart  Cry

julia put us in solid with the USA military machine re darwin

we are at their and the UN's (because of our temporary Security Council junket possie) behest ... and for good or bad we are IN

we all hope this doesn't escalate out of control Cry

but the stand by russia & syria holds the real key ....

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/do-not-launch-air-strikes-on-syria-russia-warns-obama-30581539.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/syria-opposition-welcomes-us-air-strikes-isis-militants

these standpoints in the above links are two biggest worries to escalation

certainly not any local party political left-wing right-wing ozzie leadership nonsense as portrayed by the new (non) independent left wing on-line media 'rags' ffs ... imo lol
By:
secong coming.
When: 15 Sep 14 06:43
Alan the Amazing is onto Tony - roflmao
By:
AFL
When: 15 Sep 14 06:52
Paul McGeough is an Irish Australian journalist and senior foreign correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald, specialising in Middle Eastern affairs.

In 2001, when covering events in Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance, he and French journalist Véronique Reyberotte survived an attack by the Taliban which killed journalists Volker Handloik, Johanne Sutton, and Pierre Billaud. He was awarded the 2003 Walkley Award for Journalism Leadership in recognition of acts of courage and bravery in the practice of journalisim

In 2010, McGeough travelled on a Gaza-bound flotilla, reporting for The Sydney Morning Herald and Brisbane Times[4] from aboard the MV Samoud (also known as the MV Challenger I). When Israeli forces boarded the flotilla's vessels on 31 May, McGeough and Herald photographer Kate Geraghty were among those detained. In an audio transmission sent shortly before the MV Samoud was intercepted, he said:

    "At 4.20(am local time) (11.20am Sydney time) we realised all communications on the boat were jammed, 4.22 (am) – we see two zodiacs moving in, pressing through. Two more zodiacs. Now there are five of them astern of us. There's white wakes on black water. Search lights on one of the cargo ships and from the Turkish ferry are picking up the zodiacs now."

The following day, Fairfax confirmed that McGeough had, along with Geraghty, been detained by Israel in the city of Beersheba. According to the Herald's editor Peter Fray, McGeough turned down the option of being deported immediately, in return for signing a form in which he would have admitted entering Israel illegally. When meeting with Australian and Irish consular officials in Beersheba's Ela prison, McGeough told them that he intended to challenge attempts by Israeli authorities to deport him.

However, Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and the Herald confirmed on 3 June that both McGeough and Geraghty had been taken to Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv to be deported.[8] McGeough said that he had left "on legal advice that we will be able to appeal our deportation in absentia".

Speaking to the Herald from Istanbul, McGeough described his treatment as "an absolute disrespect by Israel", accusing Israeli authorities of "a total disrespect to the fundamentals of democracy, and the fundamentals of the rights of journalists under the Geneva Convention".

Awards

2003 Walkley Award for Journalism Leadership

2010 Douglas Stewart award and Book of the Year for "Kill Khalid" at the 2010 New South Wales Premier's Literary Awards

Works

Infernal Triangle Conflict in Iraq, Afghanistan and The Levant – Eyewitness reports from the September 11 decade, Allen & Unwin, 2011

Kill Khalid: Mossad's failed hit ... and the rise of Hamas, Allen & Unwin, 2009

Manhattan to Baghdad : despatches from the frontline in the War on Terror, Allen & Unwin 2003

In Baghdad: a reporter's war, Allen & Unwin, 2003

Mission impossible: the sheiks, the U.S. and the future of Iraq, Black Inc., 2004

Reviews

Kill Khalid (Foreign Affairs): "gem of leave-no-stone-unturned reporting".

Kill Khalid (Washington Post): "... timely and thorough examination of Hamas, highlighting the ways in which

Israel has intentionally and unintentionally aided its rise."



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Pleaaaaaseee put up a Murdoch Hack that compares with his experience in the region.

Awards

4 Books

Australian Journalist of the year

..................................................................



Unlike Murdoch hacks similiar to the Abbott BROMANCE MAN ..the Murdoch UN-Australians Greg Sheridan

who accepts Sri-Lanken Gov't payed for Junkets to the country and produces aticles straight out of the "You

scratch my back and I'll scratch yours handbook"
By:
AFL
When: 15 Sep 14 07:09
The Sri Lankan government’s human rights record is under attack, but not by The Australian’s Greg Sheridan. He travelled to the country last month on a government-funded trip.

The Australian’s foreign editor Greg Sheridan has defended accepting the Sri Lankan government’s offer of paid travel and accommodation to report on the state of the country four years after the end of a brutal civil war.

The Australian Tamil Congress has described Sheridan’s series on Sri Lanka — which painted a glowing picture of the country’s progress — as an “advertisement” for the government that ignored the continuing oppression of the country’s Tamil minority.

Sheridan produced four stories totalling 5000 words from the trip, which was the brainchild of the Sri Lankan government. These included “Sri Lanka holds back the tide” (which argued Sri Lanka is Australia’s best friend on tackling people smuggling) “Sri Lanka: a nation at peace” (in which Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa accused the Tamil diaspora of bribing Western politicians) and last Friday’s “Sri Lanka’s path to peace”.

Sheridan’s pieces carried a declaration saying he travelled as a guest of the Sri Lankan government.

Sheridan’s trip coincided with a week-long visit by Navi Pillay, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, who said:

    “I am deeply concerned that Sri Lanka, despite the opportunity provided by the end of the war to construct a new vibrant, all-embracing state, is showing signs of heading in an increasingly authoritarian direction … It is important everyone realises that, although the fighting is over, the suffering is not.”

Pillay’s comments were not reported in The Australian and received little attention from other Australian media outlets.

Sam Pari, spokesperson for the Australian Tamil Congress, told Crikey: “The government is still conducting horrendous structural genocide against the Tamil people. It’s immoral and unethical for a senior journalist to be writing articles just based on one side when it’s clear that side has a vested interest. It’s embarrassing because they [the Sri Lankan government] are using an Australian media outlet to do their propaganda for them.

“It’s basically a free advertisement in the paper; instead of paying money to advertise Sri Lanka, they spend money on a journalist to advertise Sri Lanka.”

But Sheridan, who has long taken aim at the Tamil Tigers in his columns, told Crikey accepting sponsored travel did not affect his independence. ”I’m a very opinionated writer,” he said. “I certainly try to inform opinions partly through travel. I don’t think they have ever been influenced improperly by sponsorship.

“I’d say there are two obligations when taking a trip funded by a foreign government: the first is disclosure; the second is not to be intellectually corrupted by the sponsorship, that is, not to form a judgement, or write anything, which is contradictory to what you would have written had it not been for the sponsorship.”

Sheridan says it is common for governments to fund trips by journalists — including the Australian government, which brings reporters to Australia under the Special Visitors Program. Earlier this year, Sheridan visited China as a guest of Chinese telco giant Huawei.

Human Rights Watch last year claimed the Sri Lankan government has:

    “… continued its assault on democratic space and failed to take any meaningful steps towards providing accountability for war crimes committed by either side during the internal armed conflict that ended in 2009. The government targeted civil society through threats, surveillance and clampdowns on activities and free speech.”

Earlier this year Reporters Without Borders placed Sri Lanka 162nd out of 179 nations in a press freedom index.
By:
AFL
When: 15 Sep 14 07:11
That's the sort of cr ap dished up by the Murdoch Abbott/Liberal Loving empire in the name of Journalism.
By:
Thebas
When: 15 Sep 14 08:13
journalists from the left ... and journalists from right ... are just that ... journos

paul (who does write well) is an open supporter of Hamas ... but does that make him correct or just giving an opinion like everybody else



either way is war and war is hell

this ISIS thing is probably gonna get big and probably blow Cry

what we do have in Australia is major party bi-partisan political support over ISIS so it ain't going away

the real issues of course are how it all affects Syria, Russia and China


and love it or hate it ... if things got tricky in our local backyard in asia we'll need the yanks (a bit far for the UK to come and help us out maybe Wink)

plus of course we've got the US Military already deployed in Darwin Happy
By:
Thebas
When: 15 Sep 14 08:14
^ either way .. war is war ...
By:
wombleoz
When: 15 Sep 14 23:09
It's nice to agree with Thebas - "war is war and war is hell"

Surely there are enough people in the region that can get this sorted without us, or the west, getting involved - we shouldn't be there and we shouldn't be picking winners.  Well other that being against IS/ISIS/ISIL

Arming groups that have their own agendas at heart longer term will come back to bite us imo

http://www.smh.com.au/world/is-australia-arming-terrorist-pkk-fighters-20140915-10h8cc.html
By:
Lets Elope
When: 16 Sep 14 05:55
Why is there no Sunni Muslim nation involved in this coalition, the immediate threat is to them, why are we doing their dirty work yet again so they can keep their hands clean and not be responsible for dealing with a group that is direct threat to all of them.

Watch both episodes of the daily show that I've posted here as Jon Stewart makes some very salient points.

If you have adblock plus (a fantastic free adblocking software) in place you won't have any problem with pop up ads either.

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/nosvideo.php?id=ovuntcgwcwg2

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/videoweed.php?id=8c44b5f0e3c82
By:
VeryLTU
When: 16 Sep 14 06:07
perhaps the white house has determined that sunnis and shia don't actually like fighting and wars. perhaps throwing your automatic into the sand and running doesn't cut it for the white house. those oil fields need to be protected by real warriors i suppose..... send in the australians Sad
By:
Lets Elope
When: 16 Sep 14 06:18
Watch those daily shows episodes Very they're both informative and very funny, he consistently skewers the American news media with the truth and exposes fox news for the abomination that it is. I stumbled upon the project free tv web site today it's sensational. Another brilliant one which I watch regularly on foxtel is Last Week Tonight with John Oliver a british comedian and former daily show reporter.
By:
VeryLTU
When: 16 Sep 14 06:45
yeah, i love watching comedians taking the p..ss out of newscorp. media watch also a must when possible.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 00:31
and so it begins Cry

russia & china are sitting down to talk ... their response will be the tip-off of how dramatic this might become



First US strike in expanded Iraq fight

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25001263/first-us-strike-in-expanded-iraq-fight/

US warplanes have carried out their first air strike on the Islamic State near Baghdad, as world diplomats pledged to support Iraq in its fight against the militants.

It came as representatives from about 30 countries and international organisations, including the United States, Russia and China, met in Paris to discuss the crisis triggered when IS overran large areas of Iraq and Syria, carrying out beheadings and forced religious conversions.

As if to stress the urgency of the campaign against IS, France's defence minister announced just hours ahead of the conference that Paris was joining Britain in carrying out reconnaissance flights in support of the ongoing US air campaign.

And in Brussels, NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen urged military action, calling IS "a group of terrorists with whom there is no chance whatsoever to negotiate."

Ten Arab states including Saudi Arabia are among the countries backing the US-led coalition, and Australia has pledged 600 troops.
By:
AFL
When: 17 Sep 14 00:44
How to make Isis fall on its own sword

Degrade and destroy? The west should try to disrupt the canny militants into self-destruction, because bombs will only backfire

Chelsea E Manning in Fort Leavenworth
theguardian.com, Wednesday 17 September 2014

If properly contained, Isis will not be able to sustain itself on rapid growth alone, and will begin to fracture internally.

The Islamic State (Isis) is without question a very brutal extremist group with origins in the insurgency of the United States occupation of Iraq. It has rapidly ascended to global attention by taking control of swaths of territory in western and northern Iraq, including Mosul and other major cities.

Based on my experience as an all-source analyst in Iraq during the organization’s relative infancy, Isis cannot be defeated by bombs and bullets – even as the fight is taken to Syria, even if it is conducted by non-Western forces with air support.

I believe that Isis is fueled precisely by the operational and tactical successes of European and American military force that would be – and have been – used to defeat them. I believe that Isis strategically feeds off the mistakes and vulnerabilities of the very democratic western states they decry. The Islamic State’s center of gravity is, in many ways, the United States, the United Kingdom and those aligned with them in the region.

When it comes to regional insurgency with global implications, Isis leaders are canny strategists. It’s clear to me that they have a solid and complete understanding of the strengths and, more importantly, the weaknesses of the west. They know how we tick in America and Europe – and they know what pushes us toward intervention and overreach. This understanding is particularly clear considering the Islamic State’s astonishing success in recruiting numbers of Americans, Britons, Belgians, Danes and other Europeans in their call to arms.

Attacking Isis directly, by air strikes or special operations forces, is a very tempting option available to policymakers, with immediate (but not always good) results. Unfortunately, when the west fights fire with fire, we feed into a cycle of outrage, recruitment, organizing and even more fighting that goes back decades. This is exactly what happened in Iraq during the height of a civil war in 2006 and 2007, and it can only be expected to occur again.

And avoiding direct action with Isis can be successful. For instance, in 2009 and 2010, forerunners to the Isis group attacked civilians in suicide and car bombings in downtown Baghdad to try and provoke American intervention and sectarian unrest. But they were often not effective in their recruiting efforts when American and Iraqi forces refused (or were unable) to respond, because the barbarity and brutality of their attacks worked against them. When we did respond, however, the attacks were sold to the Sunni minority in Iraq as a justified response to an occupying government favoring the Shia government led by former prime minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Based on my intelligence work in Iraq during that period, I believe that only a very focused and consistent strategy of containment can be effective in reducing the growth and effectiveness of Isis as a threat. And so far, Western states seem to have adopted that strategy. With very public humanitarian disasters, however, like the ones on Mount Sinjar and Irbil in northern Iraq, and the beheadings of journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, this discipline gets tested and can begin to fray.

As a strategy to disrupt the growth of Isis, I suggest focusing on four arenas:

Counter the narrative in online Isis recruitment videos – including professionally made videos and amateur battle selfies – to avoid, as best as possible, the deliberate propaganda targeting of desperate and disaffected youth. This would rapidly prevent the recruitment of regional and western members.

Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.

Establish an international moratorium on the payment of ransom for hostages, and work in the region to prevent Isis from stealing and taxing historical artifacts and valuable treasures as sources of income, and especially from taking over the oil reserves and refineries in Bayji, Iraq. This would disrupt and prevent Isis from maintaining stable and reliable sources of income.

Let Isis succeed in setting up a failed “state” – in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of Isis for good.

Eventually, if they are properly contained, I believe that Isis will not be able to sustain itself on rapid growth alone, and will begin to fracture internally. The organization will begin to disintegrate into several smaller, uncoordinated entities – ultimately failing in their objective of creating a strong state.

But the world just needs to be disciplined enough to let the Isis fire die out on its own, intervening carefully and avoiding the cyclic trap of “mission creep”. This is certainly a lot to ask for. But Isis is wielding a sharp, heavy and very deadly double-edged sword. Now just wait for them to fall on it.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 00:50
AFL
But the world just needs to be disciplined enough to let the Isis fire die out on its own


Laugh

isn't that what Chamberlain said after Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia  Wink


thank goodness at least 30 countries plus 10 arab states are in some agreement

... the main concern of course is how Russia & China react (over a potential incursion into Syria)

we will find out soon enough

good fortunes to all

worrying times  Sad
By:
AFL
When: 17 Sep 14 00:54
Chelsea E Manning in Fort Leavenworth  has the inside info .....imo.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 00:58
but thank goodness ... Bill Shorten and the Labor Party ... had the commonsense to give their whole bilateral support in this

... and not just make petty party political mileage from a most dreadful situation  Sad
By:
whoopi
When: 17 Sep 14 01:18
Labor party's decision has nothing to do with the right and wrong of the situation.
Like all political decisions it was made with the consideration of what the spin would be, and how would it play to the bogan masses who determine elections.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 01:28
a bit cynical maybe but i appreciate your candour whoopi

but its global now imo ..

and we sit on an edge once more Sad

if it is contained to Iraq then everybody is in .. and i mean russia & china in that regard

however ... the USA have said the Syria contains an area of IS ... and it will target it inside Syria if necessary (?)

that's the big worry

syrias opposition party (yes local politics ffs Cry) as i understand it are for a UA incursion

syria's ruling govt are against it

and russia are an ally and support syrian to the hilt

and china will go with russia

if it moves inside Syria .. then all alliances will be strained ... and mercy on us all as just innocent citizens trying to live any day of our lives peacefully
By:
whoopi
When: 17 Sep 14 01:36
That's why all left v right arguments are irrelevant theses days.
We don't have political leaders, we have election strategists.
Decisions aren't made on the basis of what's good for the country, they're made based on how it fits with the strategy adopted to win the next election.
By:
megsy
When: 17 Sep 14 01:42
for the believers we shouldn't get involved, I guess you have no heritage to this country. a country always known for its young men to volunteer such as ww1 and ww2.

this current threat is real, very real.

my solution would be, invite all ( encourage all ) who want to leave our great nation to fight for ISIS. once they have all left, tear up their passports, problem solved. if their families complain, post them air flights back home to their original country of birth.

so sick of so little people bringing religion into the equation. do you see aussies running around saying, im catholic, im Christian?...no we keep religion out of our way of life.

our forefathers, the diggers would be rolling over in their graves and what for?

a mistake our past governments having let in the wrong imigrants.

destroy ISIS and all evil....im so glad to see Russia and china have hopped onboard...its truly a collation against evil.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 01:42
could that be fixed maybe by longer terms of govt (4 instead of 3) ?

the tough decisions always appear at the beginnings of a term of govt ...

with the softening & buttering up coming close to the upcoming election ... at which point i am a devout cycnic also

or odeally a co-joined govt ...

one with policy control (left) and one with budgetry control (right) would be ideal (impossible i know lol Laugh)

but then about 500+ absolute nobody hangers-on in the pig pen down the political party chain would be out of work

that wont work also .. as then those high in the pork trough will only have their best mates by their side & we're fk'd again Cry
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 01:44
so sick of so little people bringing religion into the equation. do you see aussies running around saying, im catholic, im Christian?...no we keep religion out of our way of life.


good point Megsy

fanatical religionism (and money lol) = the root of all evil ever and now on this planet
By:
megsy
When: 17 Sep 14 01:44
china haven't a relationship with Russia anymore thebus...that ended during the cold war.
By:
whoopi
When: 17 Sep 14 01:45
Think you'd need 6 year terms for anything to change, but that will never happen.
By:
megsy
When: 17 Sep 14 01:49
Iraq has asked the world for help removing ISIS out of their country, this includes 20 arab nations the important cog in the collation forces.
By:
whoopi
When: 17 Sep 14 01:49
That way you'd have 4 years of actual governing and only 2 years of bullsh1t strategizing.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 01:49
BRICS Megsy

it all switched around economically = big coalition now (since both China & Russia have communist style govts BUT western style economic cartel banking systems of money movement

the political idealogy gone ie communism gone but the new money teams are in big sway

the NEW non-west economic alliance ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

the big business ahead ...

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-breaks-ground-gas-pipeline-075311200.html

Russia launched construction Monday of a 770 billion ruble ($20.8 bn) gas pipeline that will help bring gas from the far east of Russia to China.

"We are today starting the biggest construction project in the world," President Vladimir Putin said at the ceremonial joining of the first sections of the 3,968-kilometre (2,466-mile) Siberian Strength pipeline outside the eastern Siberian city of Yakutsk.
By:
megsy
When: 17 Sep 14 01:53
that means china needs gas, like china needed our iron ore...all business partners.
By:
whoopi
When: 17 Sep 14 01:55
Lat comment...It would surely be logical for any government to be free to select members from the other side to be ministers, as you suggested. (I know it's possible in theory already).
It's illogical to believe that all the best and wisest sit on any one side of the chamber at any time......but it'll never happen because it would involve governing in the best interests of the country, and we wouldn't want that
By:
megsy
When: 17 Sep 14 01:59
thebus...just read the new friendship between china and Russia...you are right.
By:
megsy
When: 17 Sep 14 02:02
http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2014/02/05/Xi-Jinping-in-Sochi-Just-how-close-are-Russia-China-ties.aspx
By:
whoopi
When: 17 Sep 14 02:15
O.K. this is the last comment, I promise.
If you were running a company with a board of directors of 10 people would you have 5 people make all the decisions while the other 5 put sh1t on every suggestion they come up with.....and would you have the ruling  5 dismiss out of hand any suggestion  the other 5 came up with simply because they came up with it.
How the fck can that process possibly come up with the optimum decisions?
That's why parliament is nothing more than a sh1t fight instead of the best and brightest sitting around mulling over the best way forward.
By:
Thebas
When: 17 Sep 14 03:01
cheers megsy ..

very good analogy whoopi ...
By:
therhino
When: 17 Sep 14 03:14
That's why parliament is nothing more than a sh1t fight instead of the best and brightest sitting around mulling over the best way forward.

100%. Precisely why blind faith in either side is the epitome of stupidity, but some seem to view it as a badge of honour.
By:
wombleoz
When: 17 Sep 14 23:08
Thebas you'll be happy to know Tanya LoveLoveLove was on radio this morning saying Labor hasn't said yes to Syria and sees it differently to Iraq - i.e. Iraq asked for our help.

Not that it matters much imo - it's not our war, stay out of it in both places and let the locals / neighbours sort it out

Not surprisingly raids have happened in Sydney and Brisbane today - hopefully they throw everything they can at anyone that is genuinely involved in supporting IS/ISIL/ISIS.  Crucial that the government gets on the front foot and protects the decent muslim members of the community from the inevitable backlash though
By:
secong coming.
When: 17 Sep 14 23:35
govt is on the front foot in r00ting out the bad blood.....therefore there will be no backlash
unless of course there is more out there planning acts against Australia.......
By:
VeryLTU
When: 18 Sep 14 01:08
definitely, nice work feds .... the grand final comes up in a few weeks and the last thing we want is an interruption to play or any sort of distraction.
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