Stewards to resume Bowman-Fulminate inquiry

From the 600 to 400 you were a good 1.5L behind Mossmoney, you were also sitting very very quietly I might add.

and the slowest last 600 of the day - even the mdn over the same dist got home faster - easy run for the leader - lucky stable

david haye.....errr....vandyke conveniently out of the spotlight with some specific riding instructions. I imagine he'd be fairly careful after his colourful past with stewards.

Pay particular attention to his actions from the time they swing for home, he makes out he is going to pull the stick, but he still very concerned because he knows Fulminate is going to rocket home, and he is scared she will get up dead, so he does everything but hit her with the stick, then approaching the 100m when he knows for certain she is not going to win, switches stick to right hand and hits her for first time in straight.

The money some of these little coonts can earn, they still have to resort to hooking one ffs

I have a feeling trainer was not in on it LTU, as Bowman rarely rides for him, if he legs him up again in the not too distance future, then I may have to review my initial thoughts about  that.

Wasn't as bad as Boss's ride on The New Boy at Flemington Saturday.  Boss rode like he was in the Lightning stakes not a 1400 metre race.  How the stewards never looked into that race amazes me.  Cost me $10. .

Don't get me started on horses I've backed that have been hooked ffs, the list would rival Lazza's

these spreadsheets are only a million lines long ..... its' just not enough to fit them all in... wake up microsoft.

1.01 he is given benefit of the doubt

H Bowman was advised in the circumstances of the manner in which the race was run whilst Stewards were critical of two areas of his ride that his actions could not be deemed blameworthy However he was cautioned that had the event been run at an average tempo, then the Stewards may have well taken a different view of the tactics he adopted. H Bowman was advised that he should endeavour at all times to ride his mounts so as to leave no room for query.

Stewards, the race wasn't run at average tempo, so that is a moot point. You let him off because in your view he did nothing wrong, so where is the query.

He got off because betting steward T.Griffin said race was run at 2.2 sec quicker than standard, but he failed to mention that the overall time was also a lot quicker than standard, so he is using 1 piece of time but not the overall time. Vite Loni who also led all the way over the same distance earlier in the night also went nearly 1 second quicker than standard and he was a maiden, Darci DRama race was a BM75 and he only came home .44 sec slower than Vite Loni, but .86 quicker overall after going 2.2sec quicker than average 1st sec.



Because someone has access to sectional times, it doesn't mean they know how to interpret them correctly, as evidenced in this case



spyvspy27 • December 21, 2013 9:33 AM GMT
1.01 he is given benefit of the doubt

Analysis of the betting on the event revealed that whilst the leader and eventual winner of the event Darci Drama ($3 to $4) had been well supported the evidence had established that all significant bets placed on Darci Drama were within the normal betting patterns and weightings of the punters concerned.


No mention of the betfairitis Fulminate suffered late in betting? No we will just look at the betting on the winner, well done stewards. No need to cover every base as we don't want to bring racing into disrepute, do we?

Complete farce they only go after the kids these days, you'd think in this day and age they would look at ALL the betting

the evidence had established that all significant bets placed on Darci Drama were within the normal betting patterns and weightings of the punters concerned.

exactly ... christmas hamper ... easter hamper ... every other week hamper ...

these normal betting patterns & weightings ... stewards ... did they occur previously when a 'supposed' boatie won

do racing styles mean anything ... not necessarily it seems

darci 29/11/13  in-race running position 6-6-7 fin 3rd
17/7/13 ... 10-10-9 fin 7th
4/7/13 ...  13-13-11 fin 2nd
22/6/13 ... 12-12-10 fin 2nd
6/6/13 ...10-10-10 fin 9th

lucky stable the winner ...

the only time they go to the front with this horse and the main danger goes out the back and is misjusdged in the run home

but hey that's racing ... (in sydney lol) 

Christmas tradition dictates more interesting rides as people want to "get their xmas money out of this" and some very on holiday mode authorities

Mr Elephant, you would expect stewards to look at all info available to them and I am sure they did, but the question I have is this, why did they only cherry pick from the info that which would help Bowmans cause? ie the tempo of race but not overall time, betting on winner but not on deadun, also no question about Bowmans evidence re slow at jump and slight check, when he clearly already had hold of horses head before slight check, why was he only aggressive in last 75m etc etc.

Very strange, some might say the hearing was a boat race itself.

Still reckon fulminate would have won last start geniuses every possible mortal chance today and nowhere near good enough. If Bowman had gone forward last start it would have been suicidal.

Typical LE, posts after its next run, todays run had nothing to with last run, your record is impeccable though on aftertiming, you don't miss.

Yeh it could win last run being 10 off them on turn ffs, ps last run was midweek BM75 and you compare its run in a Saturday BM83, you're an undoubted star, we will also forget to mention its far superior on a dry track and today is affected, keep up the good work

And to compare 1550 Canterbury with 1600 around Randwick, you do know your stuff

Trained Dick sacked Hughie Bowman, saying he will never ride for him again after his ride on Fulminate.
Today Kathy O'Hara steered it to the inside where it was quicksand.
Where to now Dick?

prob little to do with the horse maybe

just how do you beat the (continually) lucky stable 

bad horse trained by a dubious trainer but by all means keep backing those  bad horses.

At least unlike some serial whingers on here I don't continually blame jockeys for my own mistakes. I've said it before and I'll say it again, bad workmen blame their tools.

You don't make any mistakes, you have a 100% record post race. If you think it was a good ride on Fulminate, why did they open an enquiry?

Bet365 still letting you on?

darci races at the mid to rear of the field .. in EVERY start it has ...

stable sit down and think ... this is no good .. what if we decide for the first time in its career to go the lead

brilliant plan

and what luck ... the only danger gets mis-ridden and mis-judged and mis-timed

how do you beat a lucky stable 

Now now thebas, you aren't blaming your tools are you? LE explained that Fulminate couldn't win if it went forward, that should be enough for any one

hard to beat a lucky stable in sydney  ...

   

C.Waller not finding it that hard to beat them, then again some say he has had his fair share of luck as well 

Thebas, check your inbox

You make your own luck or you buy it IMO

cheers spy i didn't know that

spot on crow

Now you have a big dilemma Thebas, either believe me or believe LE

i believe my eyes ... tho i have been let down before 

Another piece of damning evidence against H.Bowman
He said because the pace was fast he elected to stay back, he also said he was vindicated in doing so because of the fast pace, yet 3 races earlier over the same distance he leads all the way on maiden galloper Vite Loni going close to 1 second quicker than average for 1st section, and also won very easily I might add, yet in a BM 75 race on Fulminate who has won twice in the city he thought he had to go a slower tempo on her than he did on a maiden earlier in the night.

Yeah Bowman, you did nothing at all wrong, please accept my apologies.

looked a christmas hamper race for sure imo Spy

but that shouldn't bother the stewards on our behalf really

i mean there is also the ... easter hamper ... the new year hamper ... the 'haven;t had a hamper for a couple of weeks' hamper 

but we still love our racing   

and are wary of the lucky stable 

Thanks to Bowman, I had to tamper with the kids college funds just to have some damper in my hamper

maybe you've been pamper - ed with easy winners for too long   

I know when I do back a winner, which is not that often btw, I look at my wife with a glint in my eye, yet all she does is scamper

Bowman, you did a lot better job on Swerve, stewards won't even ask a question. Massive improvement on Fulminate ride, so I guess a well done is in order

Is that you Lazza

G.Begg & H.Bowman     if ever those 2 combined to go forward there will be a Royal Commission

Difference is, trainer has no idea, jock does

earlycrow • January 10, 2014 4:11 AM GMT
Is that you Lazza

I admit to nussink ffs

Bowman goes back every chance he gets, he's from the cuntry, old skool, like nifty Nev

The trouble is Bowman has a reputation of going back getting cover and now it is accepted as the norm for him

and Ray has taught all the young stewards if you go back and flail your arms at them in the straight then that's ok, because joe public will think he's trying on it

straight in the move on too hard basket, all is sweet, we are doing our best

Stewards have the power to out jocks for bad rides without implying they hooked it, just made an error in judgement, so why not do just that ?   

again comes down to the very obvious favouritism bias some jocks are privileged to