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Tom Walter - 20/12/2013
Racing NSW stewards will re-open their investigation into Hugh Bowman's ride aboard the David Vandyke-trained Fulminate at Canterbury last week on Monday.
Stewards commenced an initial inquiry into Bowman's ride aboard the second-placed Fulminate in the www.bowermans.com.au Handicap (1550m) at Canterbury last Friday evening but adjourned proceedings to a later date to check betting records.
Fulminate was a beaten $3.50 favourite in the race, running on strongly from the back of the field to finish a clear second behind the Gai Waterhouse-trained Darci Drama.
Bowman's riding tactics came under the spotlight when it was revealed during initial evidence that the instructions from Vandyke were to "take up a forward position."
When questioned why he did not push forward, Bowman stated that the mare did not jump cleanly and struck interference at the start.
Spyvspy comments underlined. Hugh, you jumped better than the winner who was drawn 2 inside of you, so why didn't its rider also grab hold?
You say also another reason you didn't go forward was that you received interference? Hugh, you already had hold of your mounts head before the slightest of slight interference
Stewards also found reason to question Bowman about why he did not improve his position earlier in the race.
The leading rider cited the 58.5kg allocated to Fulminate and checking off the heels of the Chris Waller-trained Mossmoney at the 500 metre mark as contributing factors to his decision to forego moving wide around the field.
Hugh, you checked slightly off the heels of Mossmoney around the 700m, not 500m, and that was pathetic riding on your part as well as you were a clear last on your own. From the 600 to 400 you were a good 1.5L behind Mossmoney, you were also sitting very very quietly I might add.
The inquiry will resume at 2pm on Monday at the offices of Racing NSW.
If he wasn't dead on this, then a door nail isn't dead either. The betfair market gave off warning signs, but I didn't listen as thought no way will Bowman revert to the tricks he got up to years ago ( around the time of his 9 month stint on the sidelines for drugs ).
Very interested to see how stewards handle this. If only it happened in Hong Kong, they may have locked him up, which is exactly what he and other germs that hook horses up deserve to be.
Racing NSW stewards will re-open their investigation into Hugh Bowman's ride aboard the David Vandyke-trained Fulminate at Canterbury last week on Monday.
Stewards commenced an initial inquiry into Bowman's ride aboard the second-placed Fulminate in the www.bowermans.com.au Handicap (1550m) at Canterbury last Friday evening but adjourned proceedings to a later date to check betting records.
Fulminate was a beaten $3.50 favourite in the race, running on strongly from the back of the field to finish a clear second behind the Gai Waterhouse-trained Darci Drama.
Bowman's riding tactics came under the spotlight when it was revealed during initial evidence that the instructions from Vandyke were to "take up a forward position."
When questioned why he did not push forward, Bowman stated that the mare did not jump cleanly and struck interference at the start.
Spyvspy comments underlined. Hugh, you jumped better than the winner who was drawn 2 inside of you, so why didn't its rider also grab hold?
You say also another reason you didn't go forward was that you received interference? Hugh, you already had hold of your mounts head before the slightest of slight interference
Stewards also found reason to question Bowman about why he did not improve his position earlier in the race.
The leading rider cited the 58.5kg allocated to Fulminate and checking off the heels of the Chris Waller-trained Mossmoney at the 500 metre mark as contributing factors to his decision to forego moving wide around the field.
Hugh, you checked slightly off the heels of Mossmoney around the 700m, not 500m, and that was pathetic riding on your part as well as you were a clear last on your own. From the 600 to 400 you were a good 1.5L behind Mossmoney, you were also sitting very very quietly I might add.
The inquiry will resume at 2pm on Monday at the offices of Racing NSW.
If he wasn't dead on this, then a door nail isn't dead either. The betfair market gave off warning signs, but I didn't listen as thought no way will Bowman revert to the tricks he got up to years ago ( around the time of his 9 month stint on the sidelines for drugs ).
Very interested to see how stewards handle this. If only it happened in Hong Kong, they may have locked him up, which is exactly what he and other germs that hook horses up deserve to be.
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From the 600 to 400 you were a good 1.5L behind Mossmoney, you were also sitting very very quietly I might add.
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and the slowest last 600 of the day - even the mdn over the same dist got home faster - easy run for the leader - lucky stable
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david haye.....errr....vandyke conveniently out of the spotlight with some specific riding instructions. I imagine he'd be fairly careful after his colourful past with stewards.
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Pay particular attention to his actions from the time they swing for home, he makes out he is going to pull the stick, but he still very concerned because he knows Fulminate is going to rocket home, and he is scared she will get up dead, so he does everything but hit her with the stick, then approaching the 100m when he knows for certain she is not going to win, switches stick to right hand and hits her for first time in straight.
The money some of these little coonts can earn, they still have to resort to hooking one ffs |
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I have a feeling trainer was not in on it LTU, as Bowman rarely rides for him, if he legs him up again in the not too distance future, then I may have to review my initial thoughts about that.
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Wasn't as bad as Boss's ride on The New Boy at Flemington Saturday. Boss rode like he was in the Lightning stakes not a 1400 metre race. How the stewards never looked into that race amazes me. Cost me $10.
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Don't get me started on horses I've backed that have been hooked ffs, the list would rival Lazza's
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these spreadsheets are only a million lines long ..... its' just not enough to fit them all in... wake up microsoft.
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1.01 he is given benefit of the doubt
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H Bowman was advised in the circumstances of the manner in which the race was run whilst Stewards were critical of two areas of his ride that his actions could not be deemed blameworthy However he was cautioned that had the event been run at an average tempo, then the Stewards may have well taken a different view of the tactics he adopted. H Bowman was advised that he should endeavour at all times to ride his mounts so as to leave no room for query.
Stewards, the race wasn't run at average tempo, so that is a moot point. You let him off because in your view he did nothing wrong, so where is the query. He got off because betting steward T.Griffin said race was run at 2.2 sec quicker than standard, but he failed to mention that the overall time was also a lot quicker than standard, so he is using 1 piece of time but not the overall time. Vite Loni who also led all the way over the same distance earlier in the night also went nearly 1 second quicker than standard and he was a maiden, Darci DRama race was a BM75 and he only came home .44 sec slower than Vite Loni, but .86 quicker overall after going 2.2sec quicker than average 1st sec. Because someone has access to sectional times, it doesn't mean they know how to interpret them correctly, as evidenced in this case spyvspy27 • December 21, 2013 9:33 AM GMT 1.01 he is given benefit of the doubt |
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Analysis of the betting on the event revealed that whilst the leader and eventual winner of the event Darci Drama ($3 to $4) had been well supported the evidence had established that all significant bets placed on Darci Drama were within the normal betting patterns and weightings of the punters concerned.
No mention of the betfairitis Fulminate suffered late in betting? No we will just look at the betting on the winner, well done stewards. No need to cover every base as we don't want to bring racing into disrepute, do we? |
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Complete farce they only go after the kids these days, you'd think in this day and age they would look at ALL the betting
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the evidence had established that all significant bets placed on Darci Drama were within the normal betting patterns and weightings of the punters concerned.
exactly ... christmas hamper ... easter hamper ... every other week hamper ... these normal betting patterns & weightings ... stewards ... did they occur previously when a 'supposed' boatie won  do racing styles mean anything ... not necessarily it seems darci 29/11/13 in-race running position 6-6-7 fin 3rd 17/7/13 ... 10-10-9 fin 7th 4/7/13 ... 13-13-11 fin 2nd 22/6/13 ... 12-12-10 fin 2nd 6/6/13 ...10-10-10 fin 9th lucky stable the winner ... the only time they go to the front with this horse and the main danger goes out the back and is misjusdged in the run home but hey that's racing ... (in sydney lol) |
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Christmas tradition dictates more interesting rides as people want to "get their xmas money out of this" and some very on holiday mode authorities
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Mr Elephant, you would expect stewards to look at all info available to them and I am sure they did, but the question I have is this, why did they only cherry pick from the info that which would help Bowmans cause? ie the tempo of race but not overall time, betting on winner but not on deadun, also no question about Bowmans evidence re slow at jump and slight check, when he clearly already had hold of horses head before slight check, why was he only aggressive in last 75m etc etc.
Very strange, some might say the hearing was a boat race itself. |
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Still reckon fulminate would have won last start geniuses every possible mortal chance today and nowhere near good enough. If Bowman had gone forward last start it would have been suicidal.
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Typical LE, posts after its next run, todays run had nothing to with last run, your record is impeccable though on aftertiming, you don't miss.
Yeh it could win last run being 10 off them on turn ffs, ps last run was midweek BM75 and you compare its run in a Saturday BM83, you're an undoubted star, we will also forget to mention its far superior on a dry track and today is affected, keep up the good work  |
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And to compare 1550 Canterbury with 1600 around Randwick, you do know your stuff
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Trained Dick sacked Hughie Bowman, saying he will never ride for him again after his ride on Fulminate.
Today Kathy O'Hara steered it to the inside where it was quicksand. Where to now Dick? |
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prob little to do with the horse maybe
just how do you beat the (continually) lucky stable |
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bad horse trained by a dubious trainer but by all means keep backing those bad horses.
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At least unlike some serial whingers on here I don't continually blame jockeys for my own mistakes. I've said it before and I'll say it again, bad workmen blame their tools.
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You don't make any mistakes, you have a 100% record post race. If you think it was a good ride on Fulminate, why did they open an enquiry?
Bet365 still letting you on? |
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darci races at the mid to rear of the field .. in EVERY start it has ...
stable sit down and think ... this is no good .. what if we decide for the first time in its career to go the lead brilliant plan and what luck ... the only danger gets mis-ridden and mis-judged and mis-timed how do you beat a lucky stable |
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Now now thebas, you aren't blaming your tools are you? LE explained that Fulminate couldn't win if it went forward, that should be enough for any one
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hard to beat a lucky stable in sydney ...
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C.Waller not finding it that hard to beat them, then again some say he has had his fair share of luck as well
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Thebas, check your inbox
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You make your own luck or you buy it IMO
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cheers spy i didn't know that
spot on crow |
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Now you have a big dilemma Thebas, either believe me or believe LE
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i believe my eyes ... tho i have been let down before
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Another piece of damning evidence against H.Bowman
He said because the pace was fast he elected to stay back, he also said he was vindicated in doing so because of the fast pace, yet 3 races earlier over the same distance he leads all the way on maiden galloper Vite Loni going close to 1 second quicker than average for 1st section, and also won very easily I might add, yet in a BM 75 race on Fulminate who has won twice in the city he thought he had to go a slower tempo on her than he did on a maiden earlier in the night. Yeah Bowman, you did nothing at all wrong, please accept my apologies. |
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 looked a christmas hamper race for sure imo Spy but that shouldn't bother the stewards on our behalf really i mean there is also the ... easter hamper ... the new year hamper ... the 'haven;t had a hamper for a couple of weeks' hamper but we still love our racing  and are wary of the lucky stable |
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Thanks to Bowman, I had to tamper with the kids college funds just to have some damper in my hamper
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maybe you've been pamper - ed with easy winners for too long |
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I know when I do back a winner, which is not that often btw, I look at my wife with a glint in my eye, yet all she does is scamper
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