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By:
THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON
When: 13 Nov 12 03:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaJPNrf1DPY

Cool
By:
Ozmugpunter
When: 13 Nov 12 04:13
Coolaz!
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 05:26

Nov 12, 2012 -- 9:53AM, Otto_Von_Bismarck wrote:


Wake up Joel... Do you honestly think Dunaden and Maluckyday were trying in the Cup.... out the back running 20's to the furlong ...Half the country were on those Horses.... Absolutely impossible for them to figure in the placings... biggest rort all year.


you ****g idiot

imaging what would of been said after the race if Dunaden sat outside the leader a the half mile marker

deadset, stick to your german gimmick or **** off if you're going to write nonsense like that

By:
Joel
When: 13 Nov 12 05:30
Calm down SC, it was obvious from the beginning that the horse travelled from France to Melbourne, won the Caulfield cup, entered in the Melbourne Cup all because the owners wanted to lay it. Obvious.
By:
whoopi
When: 13 Nov 12 05:40
In the interests of knowing who you're talking to SC...Otto is the artist formerly known as Lazza.
By:
Ozmugpunter
When: 13 Nov 12 05:49
Enjoy checking your lotto tickets mein Herr Otto Von Bismarck, ya stick (if, indeed, this is your real name).
By:
Lets Elope
When: 13 Nov 12 05:51
Don't know what Lazza is on but it's seriously made him paranoid, talk about conspiracy theory bullshiit.
By:
Ozmugpunter
When: 13 Nov 12 05:55
Just because Lazza's paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't following him.
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 05:56

Nov 13, 2012 -- 5:40AM, whoopi wrote:


In the interests of knowing who you're talking to SC...Otto is the artist formerly known as Lazza.


haha I don't care who wrote it, it's still an outlandish thing to suggest

fk me, imagine if Dunaden led ffs, after settling near last in the Caufield Cup and braining them, is someone going to tell me that would of been the right thing to do? would've raised more questions then doubts

it's horse racing, races need to be run to suit, the only place they don't need to be run to suit is in England because they always have pace on because of pacemakers, you already know what is going to happen, who will lead etc.. everyone knew Glencadam Gold was going to lead, any decent punter with any clue should have also known he would try make it a walk up front so that he could kick on the bend and win it, they walked and an on speed horse won the race, it's not rocket science

don't like it? don't bet.

lazza's always said ridiculously stupid things when bets don't go to plan, this is no different, get a grip pal, you lost, a lot of people lost, no.. the race wasn't fixed, the best on pacer won the race

By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 05:57
questions and doubts*
By:
Thebas
When: 13 Nov 12 06:01
regardless of any conspiracy .. there were certainly some interesting points about the big race

gai ... well her glencaddem horse gets away with murder in the lead ...

yes it was alwaays gonna lead .. everyone knew ... and yet they all left it alone in front

one was hughie on mourayan ... whose horse had won the 2500m bart cummings by leading throughout

my quest for peace .. corey .. whose horse had won big ones in the Uk leading them

jimbo on maluckyday ... whose horse won the city tatts club cup by jumping first then running just off the pace throughout

all the highest credentialled nsw jocks for some reason mistook the pace and gai's runner got away with murder up front

the official clock said they ran the last 600m of a melb cup in ...  34.07  ... fs lol

i don't buy into the conspiracy in the cup ... but for mine GW luckily seemed to jag a pace cartel lookalike rort up front ... and

oh yes .. her 2nd stringer ran ... 2nd

ah well ... who knows ... but there's a softie in the next i might take on ... let's race   Wink
By:
Kye
When: 13 Nov 12 06:04
It shouldn't be an argument about how many jockeys pull horses & how often.

The fact is that some corruption is obviously occurring with jockeys betting against their mounts or laying on BF through agents. This should never occur and for the integrity of the industry harsh penalties need to be handed out to anyone caught doing so. I would be disappointed if DO didnt get 2 years. Any lesser penalty sends to wrong message.
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 06:05
Bas, if you line up the form of the "2nd stringer" with a few of the favorites in that race, you'll see that he wasn't really "2nd string"

but you're right in your overall assessment of the race
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 06:05
when I say line up the form, I mean he was really really well weighted to be there when it counted
By:
Thebas
When: 13 Nov 12 06:11
yes agreed SC
By:
Otto_Von_Bismarck
When: 13 Nov 12 07:53
I spose you knew Glecadem was was gonna go 1.14 for his 1st 1200m in the Caulfield Cup SC?... Look I realize when you don't get/savvy to the the times it's hard for you to understand .

They ran home in 34 in the Cup ffs SC... How was Dunuden gonna run home from back there. anyway GL boys.
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 14:50
pretty easy from the armchair isn't it Otto_Von_Bitch

LaughLaughLaugh

stick the gimmick pal
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 14:53
this is just a whinge on your behalf, you were a mug and backed a back marker

nothing in that race was gonna run along and make it a real staying test

not the first time you've had a moan after losing in a big race, won't be the last either
By:
whoopi
When: 13 Nov 12 20:17
Normally I'd scoff at the suggestion of The Cup being fixed, but when there's a jockey riding one of the favourites who has admitted to being a thief, suddenly the suggestion isn't that outrageous. The Cup's a big enough market to cover any potential loss of riding fee....and it's much easier to lose deliberately than it is to win.
By:
Otto_Von_Bismarck
When: 13 Nov 12 20:35
Ed ..I only moan when I see a Jock pulling a rort.. I grant you sometimes I'm wrong when I look at the times later... Ed if it was a 5 Horse field where would Dunaden be in running?...or if it was a 40 Horse field ..where would he be?

My point being it's not that a Horse is a back marker.. It's what time he hit the halfway mark last week ffs that determines the form.

But clearly you are oblivious to it...Did you forget the Newcastle Cup last year Ed When Green Moon rolled along.lol
By:
Otto_Von_Bismarck
When: 13 Nov 12 20:43
Hey Ed ..We get the stable connection ok...Efficient ..Tanby..Fawkner..GREEN MOON... yeah keep that system up it's a beauty.
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 22:34
I betted against Tanby when I declared, I repeat, I declared that Puissance De Lune was a ****g moral

guess who ran 3rd at juicy odds?

LaughLaughLaugh

don't worry about it laz, they're all out to get you, they've all been paid off so that you don't back the winner, pretty obvious to me, get over it ffs

CrazyCrazyWink
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 22:37

Nov 13, 2012 -- 8:35PM, Otto_Von_Bismarck wrote:


Ed ..I only moan when I see a Jock pulling a rort.. I grant you sometimes I'm wrong when I look at the times later... Ed if it was a 5 Horse field where would Dunaden be in running?...or if it was a 40 Horse field ..where would he be?My point being it's not that a Horse is a back marker.. It's what time he hit the halfway mark last week ffs that determines the form.But clearly you are oblivious to it...Did you forget the Newcastle Cup last year Ed When Green Moon rolled along.lol


so you expect two races to run exactly the same way, **** me dead if it was that easy we'd all be rich

By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 22:47

Nov 13, 2012 -- 8:43PM, Otto_Von_Bismarck wrote:


Hey Ed ..We get the stable connection ok...Efficient ..Tanby..Fawkner..GREEN MOON... yeah keep that system up it's a beauty.


what's your system? back the loser and then bitch and moan about the jocks?

CoolCoolCry

there's some stables you can just follow because you know they only get quality animals, if you're blind to what's happening that's fine but don't ridicule me about it, I suppose you're going to sit here and tell me Efficient's derby win wasn't one of the best turns of speed you've ever seen in a horse

delusional comes to mind

By:
Otto_Von_Bismarck
When: 13 Nov 12 22:58
Ed .. "so you expect two races to run exactly the same way, **** me dead if it was that easy we'd all be rich"

This statement explains your total lack of Racing comprehension,lol

Answer..No Ed I don't but I expect the Jock to ride it similarly to the way when it won last start..ie as in "ridden to time" not position...You just don't get it hey... No hard feelings Ed.. But just for the record ..I can remember Danehill telling you to pull your head in over some MOANS from you about certain rides?...of course Dane was right ..and you were totally wrong lol.
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 23:13
.I can remember Danehill telling you to pull your head in over some MOANS from you about certain rides?

because that never happened to you either, right?

haha ****face, you're so stupid it's put me into a state of bewilderment, should of stuck to the gimmick pal
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 23:17
also, how does it explain my "lack of comprehension", you're the mug who expected them to roll along in the Melbourne Cup when it was plain as day for all to see Glencadam Gold was going to walk up front, just like he did in all his wins leading into the Caufield Cup
By:
Otto_Von_Bismarck
When: 13 Nov 12 23:51
SecondComing • October 27, 2012 7:06 AM BST
Green Moon is as tough as they come if it comes down to a slog, I know who will win

having a big big go

that was in the Cox Plate racing thread and I stayed true


Nice bit of Aftertiming Ed.
By:
SecondComing
When: 13 Nov 12 23:52
that all you got? CryCry
By:
whoopi
When: 14 Nov 12 00:04
Remember when I posted that Lazza was spending his time away from the forum cataloguing all the threads to use at a future date?
You all doubted me didn't you.
By:
Otto_Von_Bismarck
When: 14 Nov 12 00:17
Whoops
By:
logroller
When: 14 Nov 12 01:34
Another clueless spin doctor for the VRC stating that maybe 1 in 10000 races are tainted. Dale Monteith u are a jerk, try taking off 2 zero's to that quote, more likely 1 in 100 races.

Dont rock the boat boys make sure that that resume stays clean for your next corparate job
By:
Live_in_Hope
When: 14 Nov 12 01:36
until cops and courts get involved - this stuff will continue
By:
Live_in_Hope
When: 14 Nov 12 01:36
until cops and courts get involved - this stuff will continue
By:
Thebas
When: 14 Nov 12 05:06
http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/article/15374841/police-closing-in-on-les-samba-killer/


Police are closing in on a suspect in the murder of former Sydney horse trainer Les Samba and are focussing on a gangland figure with links to shadowy racing identities, according to the Herald Sun.

The paper says the criminal has a history of violence stretching over more than two decades and is known to be a big gambler.

It said the man has been connected to allegedly corrupt racing identities, AFL footballers and some of Melbourne's most feared criminals.

He was also linked to the Moran crime family in the years before all its main male players were wiped out in Melbourne's underworld war.
By:
logroller
When: 15 Nov 12 05:07
it seems the Samba murder may bring racing to its knee's, the phone taps that were put in place have uncovered a pandora's box of corruption within the racing industry
By:
PCisaripoff
When: 15 Nov 12 05:08
let's hope they all go down if that's the case log
By:
PCisaripoff
When: 15 Nov 12 05:09
& second, no point arguing with a dill who has been repeatedly barred from the forum
By:
logroller
When: 15 Nov 12 05:22
and who is that PC
By:
logroller
When: 20 Nov 12 05:36
So Ollie gets 9 months. Shinn got 15months which i think was later reduced. One bets furiously over a 2 year period with turnover around 1-2 million but with no evidence he bet against his own mounts, the other has 1 bet against his own mount.................which has committed the biggest crime?

Ollie made around 350k last season, with at least one third being made in a one month period (which he wont miss with a sentence of 9 months)........are these penalties really a big enough deterrent. If in HK this blokes would have got 5 years or a jail sentence, now that sends a strong message...but 9 months, how do u make them shiver in their boots with such a slap on the wrist, surely giving them an extended holiaday to lay around and spend there winnings isnt the answer
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