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By:
PCisaripoff
When: 06 Jul 12 03:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQnGqdFO9EY
By:
megsy
When: 06 Jul 12 03:53
[b]FACT 1, FACT 2, FACT 3, FACT 4, FACT 5.................[/b]

it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.

it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.

YOU NEED $10,000 USD TO GET ON A JUNK SHIP BOUND FOR AUSTRALIA.

FACT. THE AVERAGE INCOME EARNER IS ON APPROX $5 A WEEK USD
By:
Mrben
When: 06 Jul 12 03:57
thats the truth!

AFl supports the criminal activity that brings these well heeled pretenders to our shores to exploit our giving nature.

Anyne supporting the boats is traitorous pig swill
By:
megsy
When: 06 Jul 12 03:57
AFL...instead of sticking up for the boat people who are queue jumpers, how about defending the poor souls who are legally applying through the proper channels to become australian migrants.

or were you one of those filthy rich who can afford to buy a seat on a junk boat and wants to defend the rich?
By:
Mrben
When: 06 Jul 12 04:01
100% megsy!  100%!

Its an insult to genuine refugess who we could offer a better life to and who would appreciate the chance rather than the exploiters we are being burdened with.

But you will never get AFL to admit the truth.He acts for for gilliard.
By:
AFL
When: 06 Jul 12 04:30
MYTH 6

ASYLUM SEEKERS MUST ARRIVE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS,
THE ‘FRONT DOOR’, AND BE ACCEPTED IN AN ORDERLY FASHION


Those seeking asylum onshore in Australia are applying via the ‘front door’. By definition, you cannot be a refugee unless you are outside of your home country.  That means all asylum seekers must cross
an  international border to seek asylum. Applying for asylum after entering another country—rather than lining  up in a ‘queue’ to be resettled elsewhere—is the standard way to seek asylum and is how the vast majority of the world’s asylum seekers find protection. This  is also the only path protected in international law. 

Australia is obligated by its commitments to the Refugee Convention to provide protection to those who arrive on  its shores or at its airports. It is not obligated to resettle those waiting in overseas camps — that is a voluntary program undertaken by Australia because it recognises that it receives so few asylum seekers onshore and has a responsibility to share more of the international burden.

Irregular people movements are—as the term suggests —inherently disorderly. Refugees must often flee their homes abruptly or  else suffer persecution. They have to go somewhere, and fast. Consequently, the vast majority of asylum seekers, some 75–95%, cross a border into a neighbouring country and stay there.

Because most asylum seekers originate from the developing world, crossing a border means entering into another developing country. Consequently, those with the least capacity to assist refugees have the burden of protecting the vast majority of them.

Most developing countries do not have the luxury of an orderly migration program for  refugees. They must accept the millions of refugees spontaneously crossing their borders without prior authorisation, or they would be placing those asylum seekers at risk  of imminent persecution or death.

If all the nations of the world were to heed the call of those who insist that refugees fleeing persecution must wait in a queue for  authorisation before entering, there would be mass genocide.

As most nations are unable to force refugees to wait in overseas camps, it would be hypocritical for  Australia to unilaterally end its practice of providing protection to onshore arrivals.

Such a policy would not create equitable outcomes for  all refugees but succeed only in transferring the costs of reception and processing back to the developing world, which is where our rejected asylum seekers will ultimately be made to wait. This  would also force asylum seekers to wait for years in intolerable conditions without basic human rights.

Ultimately, ‘orderly migration program’ is code for  shifting Australia’s responsibilities to developing
countries which already take the greatest burden for  this international problem.

Australia needs to accept that, as long as there is war, poverty and political unrest, there will be irregular migration flows. Whereas, as long as asylum seekers continue to be processed by authorities upon arrival where they undergo identity, health and security checks, there is little  to be concerned about.
By:
Mrben
When: 06 Jul 12 04:33
what an idiotCry
By:
megsy
When: 06 Jul 12 04:35
FACT 1, FACT 2, FACT 3, FACT 4, FACT 5.................

it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.

it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.

YOU NEED $10,000 USD TO GET ON A JUNK SHIP BOUND FOR AUSTRALIA.

FACT. THE AVERAGE INCOME EARNER IS ON APPROX $5 A WEEK USD
By:
lazza
When: 06 Jul 12 04:36
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING
TO CHEAT  THE SYSTEM
By:
AFL
When: 06 Jul 12 04:47
MYTH 3

ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING TO CHEAT  THE SYSTEM




The vast majority of asylum seekers do not arrive with- out documentation in an  attempt to cheat the system. Not only are most boat arrivals found to be genuine— typically between 85  and 90%—but arriving without documentation only delays legal-status resolution, prolonging their stay in detention. So  for  a genuine asylum seeker, of which the majority of boat arrivals are, there is no  advantage to arrive without documentation.

The Refugee Convention and the Australian Government recognise that asylum seekers are not to be punished for their illegal  entry or  irregular travel because they have good cause (see myth 1). This  is because asylum seekers will often have to flee quickly and are unable to obtain the necessary documentation before leaving; especially if that requires approaching the very government responsible for  their persecution. At other times, asylum seekers will destroy documentation because they fear being sent back home or, for  this reason, are instructed to do so by people smugglers.

It’s often argued that boat arrivals who leave from Indonesia intentionally deceive authorities by destroying their documentation because, having originally flown into the country, it’s assumed they must have had a passport and visa  to board the flight.

However, many asylum seekers obtain false documentation in order to gain entry into Indonesia by plane and, unable to seek adequate protection there, later escape to Australia by boat. Furthermore, many asylum seekers initially land in Malaysia where people from Muslim countries are not required to obtain a visa.  They then make their way to Indonesia before boarding a boat for  Australia. Non- Muslims, such as asylum seekers from Sri Lanka, are forced to bribe Malaysian immigration officials in order to gain entry into the country and—if  they can escape detection and incarceration by authorities—will then attempt to make the dangerous journey to Australia
by boat via Indonesia.
By:
PCisaripoff
When: 06 Jul 12 04:51
77% of Australians, um, agree with John Howard's actions on the Tampa
What happened to the others?
The thing is, to use military force against refugees, isn't that a little overkill?
A spokesman for the line that owns the ship says that Australian SAS troops are in danger of breaking the laws of piracy.
Undoubtedly this is the most popular decision, as far as the Australian public are concerned the Government's made during it's reign
The captain, before entering Australian waters, he had sent out a distress signal
Clearly our solution was, um, well it wasn't only farcical it was, um, it was immoral
I wish that this problem were not ours

(Cheers) Well I'm left sitting here staring into a beer
shaking my head at the same old loathing and fear
Stranger in my own land, can't understand
How the very word Australian has just been damned
I ****ing hate myself, take 'Aussie' from my name
Erase this endless shame, forever casting blame
If you don't act the same will I destroy you?
Everyone looks the same beaten, black and blue
So I've had enough of these red-neck prciks
When fact is the only real **** that sticks
Watch as I tear the very skin from my face
So no-one'll see my race, my deep disgrace
You're not even from here in the first place
And those that are you wanna further debase
Nup, no more, never again whether by fist or pen
I will defend, cos I'm at a loose end
The shattered remnants of Aussie dignity
I'm a skip, whitey, round-eye surprise me
By using your shrivelled brain to please explain
How the clever country just went down the drain
We rode the sheep's back now the sheep ride you
If this is how its gonna be don't call me 'true blue'
I denounce my ancestors, wounds still fester
If you say 'it aint so' I suggest ya' wake up

Chorus
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up

Talk-back squawking hacks won't relax
Until Jonesy, Zemanek and Laws are all axed
77 percent of Aussies are racist
And if you're here, I'll say it your faces
Rich red-neck prciks still hold all the aces
So I'll buy ya a beer, with an arsenic chaser
Better off dead? Is that what I've said?
Tempting to take for all the blood you've shed
No doubt you're as bad as your dads and ya mums
Mainstream media making me so fcuking glum
Anglo reality, intellectual cavities
Channel 9 fostering prejudiced mentalities
I won't be a casualty, just mention casually
That I can't stand for you sh*t-eating bullies
Preying on peeps without a mainstream voice
Most of you stay silent but I've got no choice

Chorus

Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no avail
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no avail
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no fcukin' avail
But you're a stranger yourself now that's the sting in the tail
Captain Cook was the very first queue jumper
It was immigrant labour that made Australia plumper
Enough is enough, whiteys go pack your stuff
Don't wanna live in England? That's fcuking tough
I'm sick and tired of this red-neck wonderland
Most've you stay silent and I can't understand
I just can't understand (understand)

Chorus
By:
Mrben
When: 06 Jul 12 05:01
interestingly 70% of australians want the boats turned back.But hey fk that.Angry

I'm julia gilliard and the whole country can go fk itself while I play politics.Cry
By:
Live_in_Hope
When: 06 Jul 12 05:02
RIP Stan Zemanek Love
By:
PCisaripoff
When: 06 Jul 12 05:04
Turn them back Crazy
By:
PCisaripoff
When: 06 Jul 12 05:05
BTW. Think you're missing the point China Laugh
By:
AFL
When: 06 Jul 12 05:06
SAD BUT TRUE PC.
By:
AFL
When: 06 Jul 12 05:08
Which BOAT are they in? Grin
By:
Live_in_Hope
When: 06 Jul 12 05:26
The Good Ship Gravy Boat
By:
megsy
When: 11 Jul 12 00:34
and these sort of afghans are getting on the boats alone or with a son. did our forefathers fight wars for this to happen? watch the video, i seen the full length of it before it was removed.and it made the hairs on my neck stand.
the 22 yr old  female acused of adultery and killed an hour later whilst 100's of men watched on or video taped it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uYs9zXsFT8&feature=related


then i read this in todays herald sun.

VICTORIA'S largest mosque has been forced into an embarrassing back-down after women were told they must "fulfil the rights" of their husbands and share him with other women.
In a move that has outraged local Muslim women, at least one Preston Mosque committee member authorised a post on its official Facebook page instructing women that polygamy was a better alternative to divorce and husbands were "someone you share".
"It is very important for a wife to fulfil the rights of her husband. Why? Because Allah commanded her to, after marriage Jannah is through her husband, and also the husband is your partner. A partner is someone you share with not someone who does things for you," said the post.
"If a man is saying to his wife I will marry another woman, this is far better than saying you are divorced every time he is upset.
By:
lazza
When: 11 Jul 12 00:39
Absolutely shocking!
By:
Dark....Target
When: 11 Jul 12 03:02
Hard to believe they are the same species as we are.

I'm sure if the above was Labor policy AFL would be all in favour of it ffs.
By:
No_BS
When: 11 Jul 12 03:02
Waste of time turning the boasts back, they should do what they used to do and use them as target practice, they are an invading army and we have the right to defend our shores as soon as they enter our water.
By:
AFL
When: 11 Jul 12 04:15
One post by a single person who was on a committee.

You failed to post the condemnation that other Muslims across the broad range of representatives of the Muslim faith have come out and denounced his views as totally unrepresentative and factually incorrect.

That video was shocking and carried out by the Taliban.

Equally as shocking as the video released by Wikileaks of the Americans who flew above a group of 7 or 8  unarmed Irak's as if they were playing  Video Games in a helicopter gunship and shot them dead.

Yet we let Americans into this country.
By:
megsy
When: 11 Jul 12 05:03
and the LTTE, Tamil tiger rebels controlled most of the smuggling of Tamil people to Australia . It had largely benefited from this. The prices charged by LTTE was extremely higher than the normal cost to travel. In addition, money had to be paid to obtain "exit visas" to leave LTTE controlled areas.
they are famous for destroying their passports and other doceumentation being suspect as tamil tiger rebels in many cases. these rebels are responsible for Ethnic cleansing of muslims, war crimes and the ally in arms supply was north korea.


and these people are getting into this country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
CarnegieH
When: 12 Jul 12 10:39
I've just read through all 300 posts in one sitting and I've just one thing to say. I know it requires the patience of a saint but thank christ we live in a country where we get an opportunity to pass judgement on a govt that ignores the will of the majority (and the bleeding obvious). AFL and his ilk we really have something to bleat about once the adults are back in charge!
By:
AFL
When: 12 Jul 12 11:38
Adult's....The Liberal Party and Nony Abbott?

Aren't they the Leader and the party that have never accepted the result of the last election?

And have acted like spoilt little children since .......on his round Australia Mystery Tour saying NO to everything. NO, NO , NO.....Pick Me, Pick ME.....


Laugh
By:
AFL
When: 12 Jul 12 11:44
Tony Abbott.....who wasn't ADULT/MAN enough to front the President of Indonesia with his plan to turn the boats back....despite them not wanting this.

Mr Tough Man...ex boxer....didn't have the guts to do this.

Laugh
By:
manikato
When: 27 Jul 12 04:47
Refugee admits people-smuggling push

Date    July 27, 2012 - 12:20PM


Andrea Petrie


An Iraqi refugee has pleaded guilty to involvement in an international people-smuggling syndicate aimed at helping multiple people enter Australia illegally.

Ali Haidari, 37, formerly of Thornbury, today pleaded guilty in the Victorian County Court to several breaches of the Commonwealth Migration Act 1958.

Chief Judge Michael Rozenes heard that in Indonesia between 17 and 26 November 2009, Haidari took part in helping an asylum seeker to enter Australia illegally.

He also pleaded guilty to one count of facilitating the proposed entry of a group of six non-citizens during the month of March 2010, and in doing so, was "reckless as to whether the said six people had, or have, a lawful right to come to Australia".

In addition, he pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated people-smuggling between 14 September and 5 October 2011, and also admitted that on or about 6 July last year, he imported a marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, methamphetamine.

At the time of his arrest police estimated the drugs to be valued at $750,000.

The offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.

Haidari's involvement in the people-smuggling ring was exposed as part of Operation Rasbora, which Australian Federal Police said at the time of his arrest had been operating for 10 months.

Investigators said those involved were allegedly charging between $4500 and $10,000 for asylum seekers to enter the country.

The scheme is understood to have come undone after undercover operatives struck a deal with Haidari to smuggle a fictitious family of six to Australia.

Following his arrest, it was revealed that Haidari arrived in Australia on an unauthorised vessel in 2002, settled in Melbourne and got Australian citizenship in 2007.

Judge Rozenes heard today that the defence disputed several aspects of the prosecution summary, therefore more time was needed to resolve the issues before Haidari's plea went ahead.

He remanded Haidari in custody and adjourned the matter for a plea hearing on August 14.


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/refugee-admits-peoplesmuggling-push-20120727-22xyu.html
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