idiot not once did I say frankel wasn't much good I said its never beaten anything apart from nathaniel, who is a proven genuine top class horse, althou8gh when they met I think it was in a maiden, the rest of its opponents have been rubbish. a horse that finished well down the track behind IT last season couldnt get warm in a restricted event at ballarat a country venue here when it raced first up a couple of weeks back.  So beating up on the same rubbish at it's last three starts proves nothing and clearly strong suit wasn't anywhere near wound up for that first up run.  The only other time it lined up against a genuine top class horse in canford cliffs, that horse broke down and was retired to stud.

It was very impressive the other night in thrashing the same rubbish but if it's such a superstar why be so pissweak and dodge So You Think? Pissweak by the trainer, I'm not saying So You Think would have beaten it  but why dodge it, that was a pathetic effort is he now going to dodge So You Think & then Farhh as well for the rest of the summer?

Farhh illustrated what I thought prior to the race the other night that he could easily be Godolphin's best horse for years and years.

Lets elope you been bagging Frankel from day one and why do you have to call me a idiot when i obviously hit a nerve with you every time someone proves you wrong you have to get into name calling.

And since your the best judge going around going around according to you could you not see that he is a superstar just by watching like everyone else or do you need a clock and formline to tell you that?

I thought a good Judge can spot talent just by observing a horse race obviously you need clocks formlines margins and everything needed by a wank$r like yourself after the race hence why your known as the after timing king on this forum...

Your a Genius after every race never before and before you go tell as about some winner you tipped Craig last year go back through all your selections and tell us how much your winning? Bet Zero!

What i have seen..your the worst Judge on here hands down and im not fcking kidding all you know is how to talk after the race is run like a million other form experts but before the race if you tip a horse ............all form analysts are going back to their formguides thinking where the fck did i go wrong before a race.

One minute your sports betting and only talking sports the next your Harness expert the next thoroughbreds then after you come on the raceday thread for weeks with one winner in 10 selections and usually favorite you switch to Harness and now sports your a MUG Lets Elope if i ever seen one!

btw keep calling me a idiot and i will rip your fcking .......... you fcking dog c@nt

wtf TT i was joking when i called you a Cn7t and you have taken it like the biggest girl around wtf lol?

I cant believe you took that seriously i even had wink on the end ffs

Zeditave far be it from me to attempt to conduct an intelligent debate with someone who clearly is out on day release but am still waiting for any evidence where I said he was no good, good luck finding it because I never said that at any stage. At no stage did I say he was no good I said he's a very good horse  but his rating is nowhere near justified until he actually beats something with some ability, the form line around him is shocking to say the least, pathetic would be closer to the truth.
You can be as impressive as you like against also rans, until you actually beat something you deserve a relatively high rating but certainly not the greatest of all time.  So may I suggest that you take some chill pills and go have a good lie down before you do yourself a serious injury.

Only you could come up with that unbelievable truly amazing but coming from the after timing king totally understandable.

Your have clearly bagged the horse fck Timeform and there ratings your come up with rubbish like Camelot is this and that and he needs to beat camelot to prove how good he is ... who are you to say the horses he has been beating are no good as i said the horse finishing 2nd twice now behind Frankel has been flogging his opposition when Frankel is not in the race.

You cant have it both ways Camelot is better now talking up the horse SYT beat that fin 3rd is this and that Frankel dodging SYT all that rubbish  Frankels formlines are Rubbish but Camelots and SYT are good get your head out of your arse your clearly bagging Frankel and giving the biggest wrap to everything around him all because you get into debates on here with the poms and cant admit that he is a good horse now and also cant admit you have no idea when it comes to horse racing. Get over your pride and say it as it is Frankel is a superstar but no instead everything else racing around him is LOLOL fcking To$$er

Best horse in history?

Yeah, ridiculous term in itself.

Longevity is a big factor in my personal recognition of "Champions".

He won't be given the opportunity to pass that criteria.

Lots of amazing one and two year """champions"""

Many fewer with longevity.

imo

So why the **** isn't he here doing that?  Running for pennies, in races he can't win..  Race for double down here, in races where he can't lose?

Answer is simple.  Because it is a load of ****.

I am an expert on money and human psychology...  Simple fact is horses are running round for either stud value, or prize money.  If, as you say, Excelebration could be dominant down here, for races worth twice as much, then it makes perfect sense that he would indeed do that.

Just the same as Frankel, who with the hype right now has already done enough to earn top stud value, who is touted as a 10-12f horse, would be running in the top prize money events, knowing he  is the best horse in the history of the world, rather than running around in the cheapies......

Facts are, he is dodging risk.  And horses like SYT are a big risk for him.  SYT destroys Excelebration in work.  Be honest with yourself.

it has beaten beacon lodge & rio de la plata in its last two wins Im not even counting those ants it beat in Ireland first up as a race more like a glorified barrier trial. Beacon lodge & rio del la plata hardly rank up there with the greats of european racing when frankel comes up against an in form something like an inform danedream,( dont know if tis still around)  nathaniel, so you think, farhh etc and spanks them then it might start to actually earn its rating or if comes against an emerging star in camelot. I would still happily back camelot against it at this stage when and if they actually meet.

BJT well you claim to be a expert in racing...betting on all states and sports while at it....you would be the only person who is successful betting on more then one state on the nags and sports to boot at the same time.

You guys a clueless really if you cant see how good Frankel really is the horse moves like no horse i seen move the past decade i don't care who he has beat he would clearly beat all those mentioned including SYT with ease and i mean with ease only a horse like BC could make him crack and thats a big maybe if they were to race at a distance both were suited which is unlikely all the rest cant run with him.

I suppose its true that the pace of your races would suit him better Zed.

Well if it would beat them so easily explain why the trainer won't take them on. Black Caviar takes on the best and runs in every top race and even travels 3/4 of the way around the world to risk her reputation, this horse doesn't race out of his own backyard and refuses to line up against anything resembling a top class racehorse yet somehow it's the greatest horse of all time, please, pull the other one it plays jingle bells.

No doubt he was super impressive at both runs back this time in, put most top class horses against that lot and they would have spanked them as well. Maybe not by 11 lengths but spanked them nevertheless.

The way this lot talk about frankel it's seabiscuit, man of war, phar lap, kingston town, northerly, sunline, miesque and makybe diva all wrapped into one and yet somehow it's still never beaten a single genuine top quality horse.

here he goes copying pasting anything and everything like he does with Monday Mike

yes he would run circles around our horses not More Joyous but most of the rest yes

*beater

to start with all the horse that finished behind MJ in the Group 1 Doncaster

MORE JOYOUS(10)
SHOOT OUT(8)
YOSEI(1)
SINCERO(5)
FAST CLIP(3)
HAPPY TRAILS(17)
ALBERT THE FAT(6)
SECRET ADMIRER(19)
ABSOLUTELY(13)
RANGIRANGDOO(15)
ALL LEGAL(9)
MONTON(16)
CENTENNIAL PARK(2)
HAPPY ZERO(18)
DANLEIGH(7)
HURTLE MYRTLE(12)
HE'S REMARKABLE(4)
WALL STREET(11)
NIAGARA(14)

monton's run in the villiers would have him beating excelebration on Monton's best form,

guessing with great confidence...gotta love it