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Zedative.
22 Jun 12 09:46
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Before FRANKEL Won by 11L

Firstly he said himself when interviewed that shes is going over there to race against B grade opposition and for a 1/3 of the prizemoney. So when anyone questions his mares ability they should think twice.. and got a bit heated and grumpy about it also.

So Peter is booming with confidence Comments like the Ratings are all wrong 3 horse races with pacemakers yada yada yada.

So basically he is taking her over there to show the world how good she is not the prizemoney factor, its never been about prizemoney otherwise he would race her in Australia not travel to overseas.. its always been about owning and training a once in a lifetime horses and proving that she is just that to the rest of the world.

After FRANKEL WON by 11L

Now he is saying where happy to just win by a inch and take home the prizemoney?

Frankel has clearly put him in his spot! Didn't Peter say that Frankels ratings are basically crap yada yada 3 horse races with a pacemaker yawn. But now Frankel is the best he P.Moody has ever seen? really Peter? took you a while!

To take her across the world and win by a inch length or 2L proves what?..... nothing! It would be a shame to see her held to the line IMO. To go all the way to Ascot and win by a inch imo is pathetic!! Totally proves nothing and when you do get a champion like BC a once in a lifetime horse you need to stamp her in the History books not duck and weave, questions and what people want to see and that's letting her burn up Ascot.

Shes a once in a lifetime horse and another one like her HE will never get...she was born a champion a Freak! let her prove it to the rest of the world and LET HER GO!......not comeback here and beat up on BUFFERING and LONE ROCK etc again and again and prove nothing.

Otherwise he will regret it later people will always talk rubbish she beat nothing only beat Hay List over and over Were Gonna Rock etc.

They flown all the way over there, taken a huge risk with the horse, and to win a 1/3 of the prizemoney they would in AUS by a inch would have him satisfied? Yeah right

And now he has said Frankel is the best he has ever seen... this really annoys me! reason is he trains the fastest horse Australia has ever seen according to many undefeated in 21 starts and winning her races under a massive grip most times..and just like that Frankel is the best?

I have said it always you can not compare horses from one era to another i don't care if they win by 6L every start 11L or 31L like Secretariat did ....it means absoulutly nothing to me its what you beat... not how far you beat them.

Secretariat goes down in History with the yanks as the best ever because of a 30L margin in a 4 horse field.. where he beat two horses that should not have even been in the race total walkers making up the field of 4 only....the only opposition he had that day ran a shocker on the day struggling vs the other two let alone vs Secretariat. Also to note Secretariat was beaten before that and after that ....So how can he be BEST EVER?

Three weeks after his win at Belmont, Secretariat shipped to Chicago, and easily won the Arlington Invitational at Arlington Park. He went to Saratoga, for the Whitney Stakes. Racing against older horses for the first time he was beaten by the Allen Jerkens-trained Onion, a four-year-old gelding. Onion led from the start and led Secretariat by a head on the final turn before pulling ahead in the straight to win by a length. A record crowd of over 30,000 witnessed what was described as an "astonishing" upset.[19] In September, Secretariat returned to Belmont for the 11⁄2 mile Woodward Stakes in which he was matched against the Allen Jerkens-trained, four-year-old Prove Out.  Secretariat led into the straight but was overtaken by Prove Out, who pulled clear to win by 41⁄2 lengths. BEST EVER? 31L win but gets flogged by others straight after? 

Margins mean nothing its the horses and pressure in the race at the time that see the best of the best crack under pressure... winning and beating horses of not the same caliber is fine viewing.... but winning and beating champions and having them crack chasing you is what real Champions do.

That's why i have also said Pacemakers are needed in racing and for all those that say there not they obviously don't appreciate champions like Frankel who if not for UK and Timeform ratings would never be let go, and instead would only get average Ratings 130 etc but with Ratings and pacemakers 130 Ratings don't looks as impressive as 147 does it. Hence why most to be stallions get pushed out to the line to secure a high Rating for their future Stud career.

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By:
bulldogman1
When: 22 Jun 12 09:48
will it win any more prizemoney by length of winning margin ?

no
By:
bulldogman1
When: 22 Jun 12 09:50
hang on, first you say let her go, winning by an inch is pathetic !

then go on to say its not how far they win by that counts ??


too long
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:03
They didn't go there for the prizemoney they went there to show the world how good she is so show it.

And regarding the margin yes it don't mean nothing in the who is better debate..but it does mean something when the whole world wants to see here let go like they did with Frankel they traveled the whole way over not for the money as he already has said so you want to show the world your champion then do so.
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 10:03
welcome back blueballs
By:
lazza
When: 22 Jun 12 10:12
Nolan won't let her go unless her hypertropic
fart valve is workn imo's
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:16
lol Chante

IMO what P.Moody will say when he legs up Nolen

If she looks like winning by a gap let her go if not hold her easy way out.
By:
lazza
When: 22 Jun 12 10:19
Havnt they got another race in 3 weeks though????
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:20
think so
By:
lazza
When: 22 Jun 12 10:24
July Stakes I think... Moody said on the news
best she ever been! Lol
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:30
I'm not sure Moody knows that fitness wise but going of her form her last two starts were likely in her bottom 4 best ever runs but she has been set for UK so she likely has been way off in her past two..but still it don't take much to get a sprinter fit but hey that's Moody job not mine of her form she is going into the race under her best with improvement since likely maybe to see her at her best.
By:
Lets Elope
When: 22 Jun 12 10:33
Yes she's supposed to be a big chance of going to the July Cup which is why they may be reluctant to take the handbrake off. No Australian trained horse has ever won the July Cup so he would want to prove a point there as well. Starspangledbanner won it but was trained by O'brien during his UK prep.
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 10:37
where has moody said he's keen on the july cup?
I thought they were straight on the plane home after saturday?
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:38
He hasn't he said Saturdays race them home so no excuse to not let her go last run of the prep.
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:38
Then
By:
wombleoz
When: 22 Jun 12 10:41
will win by 2 without being touched imo
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 10:42
whats the best uk form site boys?
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 10:44
At the races is one Chante
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 10:45
thanks mickey
By:
Lets Elope
When: 22 Jun 12 11:30
if at the races dont have the replays you got to sportinglife.com and they will almost certaintly have them.
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 11:33
onya lets.  thanks.Silly
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 11:35
Lets Elope you still think Frankel is not much good?Silly
By:
bilbobaggins
When: 22 Jun 12 11:36
How good are the likes of Buffering and Hay List , being from Britain? It's difficult for us to tell.
By:
bilbobaggins
When: 22 Jun 12 11:38
I's worrying surely that it might be a bog tomorrow.
By:
bilbobaggins
When: 22 Jun 12 11:38
It's
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 11:38
hay list was a superstar
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 11:49
bilbobaggins Buffering is average Group1 Class Hay List is around 3L behind BC no more

If i was to rate them pommy style i would have

over 1200m

Frankel      141
Black Caviar 141
Hay List     133
Buffering    124

Over 1000m

Frankel      141
Black Caviar 141
Hay List     136
Buffering    128
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 11:52
Did you know, the root of Frankel's breeding is Greek ...
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 11:52
oppa fcken!
By:
THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON
When: 22 Jun 12 11:52
Laugh
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 11:55
[img]http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/chanteclare/4d86774c5a2817c1cda0f65d854cd737.gif?v=120096[/img]
By:
THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON
When: 22 Jun 12 11:57
If i was to rate them pommy style i would have

over 1200m

Frankel      241 Cool
Black Caviar 141
Hay List     133
Buffering    124

Over 1000m

Frankel      241 Cool
Black Caviar 141
Hay List     136
Buffering    128


To answer the other fella's question

If BC wasn't in it...and HAY LIST was....... he would win it eeeeeeeeeeeasy.

If neither BC or HL was in it....Buffering......would win...not quite as easy

Silly cheers
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 12:01
Even Black Caviar is Greek for ffs but they stole changed it around in the pedigree books her father was really a Greek champion but they brought him over changed the names around done a fine cotton... his real name when he raced in Greece was Bel Espritolos then when they done the shifty they changed to Bel Esprit criminal if you ask me politics ffs
By:
lazza
When: 22 Jun 12 12:01
Frankel is tha best dats it end of story for sure
ooppa!!!
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 12:05
lazza who would you rate higher frankel or BC?
By:
lazza
When: 22 Jun 12 12:05
I thought Bel Espiritos looking famile...
And he's got the Greek foot too haha
bastids... Stavros !!!!!
By:
earlycrow
When: 22 Jun 12 12:05
Wish Mrs Crow was as generous as Peter ffs 10 inches is not enough for her ffs
By:
lazza
When: 22 Jun 12 12:09
You can't rate them like that.. It's Bullshizer IMO


Zedmans you see what Ticmans calls Earlcrow?
By:
CHANTECLARE
When: 22 Jun 12 12:12
so the bigger ya feet, tha more action ya get, yeah?
By:
Zedative.
When: 22 Jun 12 12:14
lazza say you had to give them a handicappers rating what would you have them both? for example i would have them equal atm on 141 say u?

Re Ticman no whats he call him?
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