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By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 06:33
It's funny how some people choose to forget the Howard Government guided our economy stunningly through the 97 Asian financial crisis.

Without the excesses of a drunken-sailor type stimulus package - ladened with waste - including the deadly and bungled insulation program and the BER school-hall rip-off program.

For Labor and its comrades to try and suggest that the Coalition did not support stimulus or would have been impaired in guiding this country through the GFC is a ludicrous.

Nothing more than a pathetic deflection from the fact that Labor has done nothing over three years, but make show-pony symbolic gestures and blow Australia's strong economic position, bequethed by the Howard Government.

Now a government that bludgeoned its first-term PM, lost it's majority, the first since the 1930's - lost its legitimacy - and is agendaless, directionless and lacking a great deal of leadership.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 06:41
Lets run through the Rudd-Gillard years to date:

- Debt accumlation of $100 million everyday and growing
- Building the Education Revolution - $1.5 billion blow-out
- Home Insulation Program - $1 billion waste
- Consultancies – promised to cut – $1.2 billion in contracts awarded
- Laptops in Schools - $1 billion blow-out – less than half delivered
- Stimulus Advertising - $50 million wasted
- Climate Change Advertising - $14 million wasted
- ETS 150 Public Servants - $81.9 million - doing nothing
- Copenhagen Delegation - $1.5 million - what was achieved again?
- Solar Panel Rebate - $850 million blow-out
- Green Loans - $175 million program cancelled
- UN Security Council Bid - $35 million
- Broadband Network for $4.7 billion – replaced by $43 billion plan
- Broadband Tender Process - $20 million wasted
- Broadband Business Plan – paid consultants $25 million, but hidden from public view.
- Legal Fees – record spending, $555 million last year
- Tax Review - $10 million spent, but no real action
- Tax Bonus Payments – $46 million wasted
- 2020 Summit - $2 million wasted
- Indigenous Housing - $45 million spent before 1 house completed
- Child Care Centres – 260 promised – only 38 delivered
- SuperGP Clinics – 35 promised – only 3 delivered
- Stop Japanese Whaling – promise not delivered
- Whale Envoy - $1 million
- Cost of Living – has risen under Labor
- GROCERYchoice – prices went up - $8 million wasted
- FUELwatch – prices went up – broken promise
- Interest Rates – 3 rises in a row and another this month

And thats just a small snapshot.
By:
AFL
When: 25 Nov 10 06:42
The Libs challenged everything they did to stimulate the economy. THEY HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. Clearly they would have spent less to stimulate the economy, and in different areas... Why is their unproven method to stimulate the economy, better than the PROVEN way Labour did it?
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 06:50
Wombleoz say "its just fineCool"

And of course he would.

But he praises and accepts mediocrity - I don't understand why we should reward a government who's legacy to date has been chronic waste, massive debt and disasterous-bungled-projects.

It's just not good enough.

Rest assured that the Coalition will continue to ferociously keep this government to account - a government that hasn't "moved forward" from the day the PM announced it had "lost its way".

From all accounts this government is labouring - excuse the pun - its just cruising along trying to claim credit for saving us from the GFC whilst making fanciful promises, delivering nothing, wasting billions and making stuff-up after stuff-up.

Australian's deserve better.
By:
AFL
When: 25 Nov 10 06:55
It's a Labour of love.Laugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 06:56
Da_Judge
JH was such a great PM, not only did he lose the election, he lost his own seat in 07, and its the seat of bennelong, hes 1 of the biggest prostitutes this country has ever had as a leader ffs




Oh dear, we're back to this are we?

I'd just like to know what John Howard has to do with the CURRENT governments waste, debt and incompetence?

Laugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:00
Plenty of political leaders have lost elections and some have lost their seats (Winston Churchill for example) - it doesn't take away from their achievements or service to the nation.

Gee, if thats what they say about Howard, our second longest serving PM - I'd hate to think how the Labor Prime Minister elected in 2007 and stabbed to death by his party two and half years later will be remembered.......

His name's Kevin Rudd, remember himLaugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:04
Not true judge.

You obviously have missed a few my posts over the years.

I was always critical of John Howard with tax reform.  I believe the GST was only half-heartedly introduced.  He didn't have the political guts to go further and introduce the system properly

I also disagreed with Work Choices - and made my voice heard at my local Lib meetings - I had an issue with the way it was introduced and promoted.  I mean, they should have ran a campaign similar to the GST on it AND The fairness test should have ALWAYS been an element to the reform.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:07
Labor was the party of Medicare and also the party of compulsory superannuation - I pay tribute to them for that.

Hawke and Keating were also major players in their introduction of significant economic reform in the early 90's - good reform, much of which was also supported by the Coalition.

I'll give credit where its due Judge - but I have nothing for this current government.

They made a mess of their first term, after 11 years in the wilderness and they admitted only a few months ago (whilst bludgeoning Kevin Rudd) that they have "LOST THEIR WAY".

Fast forward to today.  Nothing has changed.
It's the same Labor.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:10
At least Howard had six months knowing that the strong-seat-campaign underway in Bennelong would potentially wipe him out.

Rudd had know idea.  His own party caved in on him.  Put his head on the chopping block for all to see.

I think I'd prefer to lose an election after 11 and half years and being the second longest serving PM with a long-list of achievements - that would do me just fine.

Either way, thats politics.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:10
know=no
By:
Aussie Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:13
Fk me...sailed past 1300 posts this threadLaugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:15
Bennelong a Liberal stronghold?

LaughLaughLaugh

Not true Judge.

Over the years Bennelong has evolved into a marginal seat - first, because of redistributions.

Secondly, the demographic has changed. 

Since the early 1990s, Eastwood and surrounding suburbs have seen an influx of migrants from China, Hong Kong, South Korea and India, who are relatively affluent and conservative, but are sensitive towards political policies on immigration and multiculturalism.

Maxine ran a good campaign and got up by 2000 votes after preferences, but, where is she now?

Laugh

I reakon Howard did well to hang onto the seat for 33 years - not a bad effort imo.
By:
AFL
When: 25 Nov 10 07:29
The Libs failed in not leaving enough in the Future Fund to avoid going into deficit.Laugh

BIG FAIL. Laugh

My guess is the Libs wold have given the pensioners....zilch, nothin...and everyone on a wage, given a free Latte in tax cuts.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 07:39
LaughLaughLaugh

Your first sentence is SPOT ON.
By:
wombleoz
When: 25 Nov 10 08:14
Good to see the thread kicking on Grin

Jez - Howard and Costello got billions in extra revenue from the mining boom - where is all the infrastructure they built with it??? 

In only 3 years we have new school buildings, new housing stock and the starts of the NBN which will be the biggest single infrastructure roll out since who knows when

Most importantly, we have unemployment at just over 5% and debt at a level of GDP that most countries dream of despite the tax revenue being well down due to the GFC

It's not all bad Jez Cool
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:23
ffs wombleoz

Clearly from what you've just posted.....

...You were at the steps of the State Library in Melbourne with the Sex Party candidates smoking potLaughLaughLaughLaugh

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/sex-party-candidates-to-smoke-pot-outside-state-library/story-e6frf7l6-1225960875840/
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:26
Judge.  Doing some reading mate.

You will see that with redistributions and demographics changes Bennelong has become a marginal Liberal seat - it is certainly not a Liberal stronghold ANYMORE.

It's a Liberal marginal seat - it'll be inplay at the next election.

Howard did well (obviously helped by being PM) to retain the seat for the time he need, considering the drastic changes occuring within the last 5 years of his incumbency.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:26
ffs.

That should read.

Do some reading mate.

Mischief
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:27
Who gives a flying FK about waste billions, bungled projects and general incompetence.......when your flying HIGH on pot.

ffsLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:29
[>o][>o][>o]
Can't type to save myself atm.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:31
No it wasn't.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:33
From 2001 onwards it became more and more of a marginal seat - mainly because the borders of the seat have moved westward since that time.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:35
Laugh

Its not a Liberal stronghold.

Believe what you will.  It's not.

The PM-factor kept Howard in the game a lot longer than what it would of been with a run of the mill Liberal member.

It's now formally a marginal Liberal seat.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 08:39
The seat had once been a Liberal stronghold but it shifted increasingly to Labor.

But yes the Lib's regained the seat.  Liberals lost, however it was a hung parliament and Labor got in on the back of the independents and Greens......[smiley:crazy]

Howard had held the seat since 1974, but in two out of the three elections he had fought since becoming prime minister (before he got tossed out), he'd needed to go to preferences to win another term in his own seat.
By:
wombleoz
When: 25 Nov 10 09:33
Vote 1 the Australian Sex Party Cool
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 25 Nov 10 09:45
I find their stunt today in very poor taste wombleoz.

I cannot see how additional revenue can possibly make the legalisation of pot, an optionConfused

We know the health consequences of cigarette smoking (thankfully I've given up the habit) - but with pot, the health consequences are far greater.

I can tolerate medicinal usage, but the Sex Party are out of line on this imo.
By:
Mrben
When: 25 Nov 10 22:43
re the seat of bennelong and some here who are clearly ignorant of the facts.

bennelong in the 70's  was centred around the lower north shore of sydney.It included areas such as crows nest and lane cove which were populated with city office workers and business people.It was as white collar as an area can get.It was about as blue ribbon as things can get in sydney.
  As time moved on so did the boundaries of the electorate.It moved away from the lower north shore and moved increasingly to the northern suburbs,which is essentially towards, but not as far as parramatta.Parra being a blue collar area.
  Less and less of the electorate was white collar and more and more was blue collar.I'm not sure which year eastwood was incorporated.Eastwood is the chinese centre of sydney now.It is an area chockers with asian immigrants, chinese, koreans mainly.Many of these immigrants are staunch labor voters as the are deep blue collar workers.
  The infamous "dance" of McKew was in eastwood plaza.

It was simply astounding that howard held onto the seat at all given its blue collar conversion. What is further astounding is that Labor failed to hold onto it after a single victory.

    And before the experts from Victoria seek to dispute these FACTS with shallow and disparaging comments,I grew up in lane cove and was living in eastwood in the early 2000's.

   That should put an end to any assertions that bennelong  is in a blue ribbon liberal area.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 26 Nov 10 07:18
Ever the pessimistic cynic judgeyMischief

No political party is perfect.  They are made up of human beings - we all make mistakes and have flaws.

You are entitled to your opinion and many agree with you - the federal election result not only saw a first term government smashed but also showed support for the major parties waning.
By:
Koala Chaos
When: 27 Nov 10 03:43
The only ignorant people on this thread, are those that think either party is any good, now thats ignorance of the highest order[/b]
Well said Judge. Laugh
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 27 Nov 10 03:51
Koala.....you about?
By:
wombleoz
When: 28 Nov 10 20:23
Julia - "2011 the year of delivery"

NBN, Health Reform, Carbon Tax, etc

Bring it on Cool
By:
secong coming.
When: 28 Nov 10 20:55
yep, sure cant wait to be paying more for everything re the carbon tax on top of the 22% per year increases via anna inspired water charges , the topic heading continues to bear fruit tax tax tax and tax again......
By:
Mrben
When: 29 Nov 10 05:34
second coming,I  have been in sydney for a few months, --- are you serious that anna has put water up 22%? That cant be serious? Fkkk me QLD is becoming the tax capital of the world!!!

Will labor ever stop the increase in taxes? Wait for  Joolia's carbon tax in 2011.The year of decisions.Tax decisions to be implented, all decisions that may solve problems but cost money- to be shelved.

  Bring on the next federal election pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
By:
wombleoz
When: 29 Nov 10 10:04
Taxes are a good thing I tell ya Cool
By:
secong coming.
When: 29 Nov 10 20:19
mrben
yes water +22% this yr in logan and gold coast , 23% next year, other councils all putting theirs up, oh yeah anna created all these water companies with execs all on 500K+, all because pete forgot to build dams as the population doubled and stripped energex of billions and now the power bills have gone through the roof to pay for more infrastrucure that we already paid for.....labor incompetence as usual reminds me a bit of the topic heading ONCE AGAINCry
By:
Mrben
When: 29 Nov 10 21:53
thanks  for the report second C. Fkk me, no wonder QLD  real estate pice are struggling.CryCryCryCry

anna a cert to join KK on the scrap heap.
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 07 Dec 10 08:36
4 months after butchering Kevin Rudd and declaring the Rudd government had "lost its way" - and then the newly formed Gillard Government having its legitimacy and majority wiped away - and with its current political stocks plummeting as with its poll numbers, day by day.......

Julia Gillard has declared 2011 as her year of action.

ffsLaugh

The woman who refuses to show an ounce of leadership and is dragging  a government that's behaving more and more like an Opposition, has declared 2011 as the year of decision and delivery.

Laugh  Is she fair dinkum with this rot?

Does she think the public's stupid? [smiley:crazy]

Whilst the Kevin07 machine lost its way according to Gillard - but her government continues, STILL,  on the Rudd agenda and the principles remain the same - all talk, no action - all spin, no substance.

From health reform, to legimiate action on the environment, to stronger border policy and tough laws against people smuggling....

We're still waiting, Labor[>o][>o][>o]

The Gillard Government is agendaless, directionless and without leadership - the nation deserves better - and I seriously think , this early out, this government is in deep deep trouble.
By:
bigted.
When: 07 Dec 10 08:46
try having the lib premier over here..barnett..total mug,told us not to use aircons cost of living here is a joke..he is a total c@#t  [>o]
By:
Jez Melb Punter
When: 07 Dec 10 08:48
I'm optimistic about the future.

The longer this shambolic Labor administration trundles along the clearer it becomes.....

Tony Abbott will become Prime Minister as this government falls at the next election or sooner.

wombleoz and other comrades will tell you otherwise, but Gillard's brand is already trashed.  This government has zero political capital in the bank.  The Labor record is clear and stark.  The hung parliament complicates Labor's position, politically.

A half reasonable year in 2011 won't be enough and the carbon tax opportunity has passed - again wombleoz and comrades will squark otherwise - it will (if passed and legislated by Labor) politically poison the Gillard government - slowly but surely.

The Coalition, under the strong and clear leadership of Tony Abbott has a simple message: lower taxes, fairer welfare, better services and stronger borders.

And rest assured the policy agenda will become even stronger and the ideas will flourish in the coming 6-12 months.
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