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By:
sixtwosix
When: 25 Mar 19 21:44
For a very rich person buying a gelding who have seen his best days but has an historic high enough rating to get in the 40, will be pocket change , to have your colours in the best horse race on the planet.
By:
penzance
When: 25 Mar 19 21:48
at the end of the day what they are doing is
not cheating,their horses are in the h'cap.
Unsporting maybe,but that's the rules as they stand.
   GL
By:
Bindaree
When: 25 Mar 19 21:50
We're not saying it's cheating , it's just ruining the best long distance handicap.
By:
Bindaree
When: 25 Mar 19 21:52
This forum highlights that fact. It used to be a buzz from Feb up until the race but it's dead nowadays.
By:
Fourgoldcups
When: 25 Mar 19 22:04
Dear Sir,
The decision of Gigginstown to offer Don Poli and Outlander for sale 2 days before the Grand National with the benefit of a guaranteed place in the race ought to cause the BHA to consider restricting the number of horses any owner is allowed to run in the race.
As it stands, including both these horses, Gigginstown have 11 guaranteed to run in the race. Those horses not guaranteed to run include a Scottish National 1st and 3rd, 2 Becher chase winners (one of whom who has come 2nd twice more in that race) and the horses who finished 3rd and 5th in the Grand National last year.
There is no doubt that Gigginstown have a perfect right to run as many horses as they wish. The question is whether it is correct for them to be allowed to do so.
When Graded races over the jumps and flat are monopolised by a few wealthy owners, there can be little complaint since they are not depriving other owners/trainers of the opportunity to land a big prize. However, it might be argued that it is of greater importance for racing authorities to encourage a greater number of less wealthy owners to enter the sport than it is to maintain a policy of laisse-faire in respect of entries for the major handicaps. There is little incentive on new owners to enter the sport if they know that their chances of having a runner in such a big race is reduced by the plethora of horses owned by the "aristocrats" of horse racing, many of whom have obtained their (unrealistic) ratings by competing against each other in the same small field Graded races over the last 2 or 3 years. Upon what realistic basis (other than rating) can it possibly be argued that Blow By Blow ( a novice, winner of a 5 finisher novice chase at Galway in October) is guaranteed a run whilst Walk in the Mill ( Becher Chase winner) is not?
My concern at the present position is enhanced by the reasonable suspicion that the purchase price of Don Poli and Outlander will be enhanced by their guaranteed place in the race. One is entitled to ask whether they were ever intended runners for their present owners. Grand National entries ought not to be used as a free advert to swell the coffers of owners who are wealthy enough as it is.
Yours faithfully


Doubt if the RP will print it but we'll see
By:
Fourgoldcups
When: 25 Mar 19 22:06
"the question is whether they should be allowed to do so"
Never could copy and paste properly
By:
Fourgoldcups
When: 25 Mar 19 22:07
in fact I did it right ;-)
By:
impossible123
When: 25 Mar 19 22:59
^^
I wish you good luck!
By:
Mully
When: 26 Mar 19 08:24
Some excellent debate here and a wonderful letter. I really hope we're not back on this thread in 5 years time saying "Look, we predicted the demise of the race in 2019, and look what it has been reduced to now".
By:
PeteTheBloke
When: 27 Mar 19 21:59
Back on topic.

Bristol's out no smutty comments please) and so is Daklondike, putting 10st 2lb as
the cut-off (though I think the weights will rise??)

Do they draw lots if there are a few horses in a cluster? Making Valseur Lido as likely to run as
Ms Parfois, even though one is no.37 and one no.43?
By:
Bindaree
When: 28 Mar 19 00:09
They only draw lots for the final position if there are more than one horse with the same rating which hasn't altered since the publication of the weights. Ms Parfois is actually rated 153 now so obviously takes precedence over the others on 146.
By:
Bindaree
When: 28 Mar 19 00:11
I think you'll find the numbers they are currently allocated is the pecking order.
By:
Rydal
When: 29 Mar 19 10:11
Looks like Blaklion is out
By:
ashleigh
When: 29 Mar 19 12:03
yes, blaklion out injured, and they paid all that money.Sad
By:
lordnoise
When: 31 Mar 19 00:31
Owner interviewed on Sky this afternoon. Very cool - "thats racing" etc. Much respect to him ...
By:
penzance
When: 31 Mar 19 19:19
Elliott might run 12!
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