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mullins has stated that either of his 2 main national hopes oho and pdb are better horses than hedgehunter,
people seem to forget ruby was due to ride oho last year before he got injured, he could have chose the winner if i understand correctly that he makes the choices.

Monk

I think Hedgehunter was a better horse than PDB and at 10 has probably reached his limit, but OHO could be anything but only if he jumps better.

The fact that he won that hurdles race at Navan means more than most think. It shows that the horse is improving and as a lightly raced 9 year old he really could be at least a stone well in and a better horse than Hedgehunter. The more i write about him the more i think he could win by 20L.

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That`s true about the handicapper, but it does seem strange that IC reached a higher mark than Denman ever did throughout his career.

They have to go 6/1 if they're offering 5 or 6 places on the race. You can't afford to rack up the each way bets on a horse like this if you are enhancing the number of places.

is he six times more unlightly to win than not?if he stands up he will def fin in first four.so 6/1 is an ok price..

He will be 10s or 12s on the morning of the race... the horse has not proved he is a worthy fav... he did run well in last years race, but it silly if you thought he was going to win as it was so far out.  6/1 is the most silliest price in a 40 runner field... people who back that horse now need their head tested...

1980     Ben Nevis     12     10-12     Mr Charlie Fenwick (USA)     Tim Forster     R. C. Stewart, Jr. (USA)     40/1     10m 17.4s
1981     Aldaniti     11     10-13     Bob Champion     Josh Gifford     Nick Embiricos     10/1     9m 47.2s
1982     Grittar     9     11-05     Mr Dick Saunders     Frank Gilman     Frank Gilman     7/1 F     9m 12.6s
1983     Corbiere     8     11-04     Ben de Haan     Jenny Pitman     Bryan Burrough     13/1     9m 47.4s
1984     Hallo Dandy     10     10-02     Neale Doughty     Gordon W. Richards     Richard Shaw     13/1     9m 21.4s
1985     Last Suspect     11     10-05     Hywel Davies     Tim Forster     Anne, Duchess of Westminster     50/1     9m 42.7s
1986     West Tip     9     10-11     Richard Dunwoody     Michael Oliver     Peter Luff     15/2     9m 33s
1987     Maori Venture     11     10-13     Steve Knight     Andrew Turnell     Jim Joel     28/1     9m 19.3s
1988     Rhyme 'n' Reason     9     11-00     Brendan Powell     David Elsworth     Juliet Reed     10/1     9m 53.50s
1989     Little Polveir     12     10-03     Jimmy Frost     Toby Balding     Edward Harvey     28/1     10m 6.90s
1990     Mr. Frisk     11     10-06     Mr Marcus Armytage     Kim Bailey     Lois Duffey (USA)     16/1     8m 47.8s record
1991     Seagram     11     10-06     Nigel Hawke     David Barons     Sir Eric Parker     12/1     9m 29.9s
1992     Party Politics     8     10-07     Carl Llewellyn     Nick Gaselee     Patricia Thompson     14/1     9m 6.4s
1993     Race void [c]                        
1994     Miinnehoma     11     10-08     Richard Dunwoody     Martin Pipe     Freddie Starr     16/1     10m 18.8s
1995     Royal Athlete     12     10-06     Jason Titley     Jenny Pitman     G. & L. Johnson     40/1     9m 4.1s
1996     Rough Quest     10     10-07     Mick Fitzgerald     Terry Casey     Andrew Wates     7/1 F     9m 0.8s
1997     Lord Gyllene     9     10-00     Tony Dobbin     Steve Brookshaw     Stan Clarke     14/1     9m 5.9s
1998     Earth Summit     10     10-05     Carl Llewellyn     Nigel Twiston-Davies     Summit Partnership     7/1 F     10m 51.5s
1999     Bobbyjo     9     10-00     Paul Carberry     Tommy Carberry     Bobby Burke     10/1     9m 14.1s
2000     Papillon     9     10-12     Ruby Walsh     Ted Walsh     Mrs J. Maxwell Moran (USA)     10/1     9m 9.7s
2001     Red Marauder     11     10-11     Richard Guest     Norman Mason     Norman Mason     33/1     11m 0.1s
2002     Bindaree     8     10-04     Jim Culloty     Nigel Twiston-Davies     Raymond Mould     20/1     9m 8.6s
2003     Monty's Pass     10     10-07     Barry Geraghty     Jimmy Mangan     Dee Racing Syndicate     16/1     9m 21.7s
2004     Amberleigh House     12     10-10     Graham Lee     Ginger McCain     Halewood Int. Ltd     16/1     9m 20.3s
2005     Hedgehunter     9     11-01     Ruby Walsh     Willie Mullins     Trevor Hemmings     7/1 F     9m 20.8s
2006     Numbersixvalverde     10     10-08     Niall Madden     Martin Brassil     Bernard Carroll     11/1     9m 41.00s
2007     Silver Birch     10     10-06     Robbie Power     Gordon Elliott     Brian Walsh     33/1     9m 13.6s
2008     Comply or Die     9     10-09     Timmy Murphy     David Pipe     David Johnson     7/1 JF     9m 16.6s
2009     Mon Mome     9     11-00     Liam Treadwell     Venetia Williams     Vida Bingham     100/1     9m 32.9s
2010     Don't Push It     10     11-05     Tony McCoy     Jonjo O'Neill     J. P. McManus     10/1 JF     9m 4.6s
2011     Ballabriggs     10     11-00     Jason Maguire     Donald McCain, Jr.     Trevor Hemmings     14/1     9m 1.2s
2012     Neptune Collonges     11     11-06     Daryl Jacob     Paul Nicholls     John Hales     33/1     9m 5.1s

I cant see any 6/1s in the list above? So I assume suggests is ona false price at the moment.

Ok nobody can say what would have happened. But what amazes me is how far of the pace oho was and with the dead of his ease and no effort he saunters up to the leaders. What was unfolding last year was incredible and at time

Yes it was unusual how easily he made up ground, he had easily made up 20L from Beecher`s first to when he fell. I have just watched it again and at the fence before Becher`s first time he was hampered which halted hi momentum a bit, but by the time he was approaching Becher`s second time he was lobbing near the lead.

Just to add he had jumped well and had was very unlucky at Becher`s second time when he fell. A loose horse was running along side him and just cut in front of him enough to put On His Own off. I came on to this thread thinking he was way too short but now i believe he is a stone in and is made for the job.

He missed the start last year too, looked like he was gonna be ridden prominently but planted himself. Impressed with how he avoided trouble, seemed pretty agile avoiding fallers.

I never noticed that Souldancer, i always struggle to pick them out at the start.

The way i now see it is that he was very unlucky in last years race and he looked a natural fencer of the fences. He is a big rangy type with a combination of pace and stamina. From about 5 fences out there will be a break away pack and i expect him to be amongst this pack and he will be trading about 7/4.

I just thinking of backing him not to finish to cover all, I don't see him not winning if he finishes.

I thought this horse is going to be enhanced on the day and don't see any point in betting it now. The lesson from the last few cheltenham's and Aintree last year is the prices seem to bottom out about a week before hand before bouncing back when all the specials occur. The betfair market seems to be alive to this in that OHO has always been a point or so bigger on here. I think at least 8s will be available on the day. Am not a backer myself

Yes, that's the point of this thread, the price. So many factors in the Grand National, even after asking whether he stays or if HE jumps.

To the people saying on his own was the best travelling horse in the race when he fell, come on. The race still had well over a mile to go. Shakalakaboomboom going to two out looked to be travelling best of all but then the fuel tank hit empty and he finished 9th in the end?

This years race does look a lot weaker though and I am more in the camp of that if he gets round and stays then he wins. I will have a bet on him but I'm not having it now as surely he must reach 9s at some point before the off a week on Saturday.

shakalaka ran too free.hes injured this yr.i had oho and shaka as the 2 to take out of the race for this yr..

Have just watched the 2012 race again....no doubt OHO was travelling well when he fell but so were probably 5 or 6 others.  Interestingly Neptune Collonges wasnt one of them, being intermittently bustled along from quite a long way out.  To read some of the commentshere, you would think OHO had fallen when 10 lengths clear at the last - there was a (very) long way to go and it is really impossible to say where he would have finished.

Seems to me that his price is based one good chase win (Thystes), some evident potential and some general overexcitement.  I am not one to take short prices anyway, but 6/1 seems crazy short to me.  I would want double that to be backing him now.

He took himself to the leaders for sure. You can see jockey trying to reign him back at times. He may not be getting home if he is that keen again.

I think that there is more to price than meets the eye and it`s solely because people think he was looking the likely winner last year.

The trainer knows what he has, like Hedgehunter was a stone in and was backed accordingly to 7/1. On His Own looks obviously unexposed and may have taken time to fill into his big frame. He seemed like a big awkward horse to me last year and he could be a late developer with at least a stone in hand. His hurdle win showed his motor is very much in tune and it`s all systems go.

Not seen a chase fence for a year.

Hedgehunter apart,whats his GN record like?