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The rules that will decide your ultimate fate are:
- All selections must be made prior to the 1st race of the day (1hr rule still applies).
- No duplicate selections allowed.
- No reserves or unnamed horses allowed.
- Non-runners can be changed as long as above rules are still met
- A selection may only be changed if it becomes a non-runner and as long as the above rules are still met.
First race is 12.35 Catterick
- All selections must be made prior to the 1st race of the day (1hr rule still applies).
- No duplicate selections allowed.
- No reserves or unnamed horses allowed.
- Non-runners can be changed as long as above rules are still met
- A selection may only be changed if it becomes a non-runner and as long as the above rules are still met.
First race is 12.35 Catterick
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| POS | CHG | FORM | NAME | SELECTION | RESULT | +/- | TOTAL | ||
| 1▲ | +1 | 1000012 | tictacman1 | Socksy - 2.40 Ayr | 1st 4/1 | 4.00 | £20.50 | ||
| 2▲ | -1 | 210010- | elvissss | Persistent - 4.05 Galw | 2nd | -1.00 | £17.60 | ||
| 3▲ | 0001000 | top2rated (1) | Ticks The Boxes - 3.25 Redcar | 3rd | -1.00 | £13.00 | |||
| 4▲ | 100000- | lmlac | Vengeur De Guye - 3.50 Ayr | 1st 3/1 | 3.00 | £7.00 | |||
| 5▲ | +3 | 003120- | Dirac Delta (4) | Vengeur De Guye - 3.50 Ayr | 1st 3/1 | 3.00 | £2.45 | ||
| 6 | -1 | n10321- | bluenose7 (2) | Persistent - 4.05 Galw | 2nd | -1.00 | £2.25 | ||
| 7 | +4 | 011100- | madrigal | Yes You - 3.25 Redcar | 1st 100/30 | 3.33 | £1.36 | ||
| 8 | +1 | 0010012 | Da Special 1 | Dinaria Des Obeaux - 3.55 Wex | 1st 2/1 | 2.00 | £1.35 | ||
| 9 | -3 | d212dd- | shortcake (5) | No Selection | 0.00 | £1.31 | |||
| 10 | -3 | 02d10d- | guernseyw (2) | Home Cummins - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£0.53 | ||
| 11 | -1 | d02d03- | Aquarius (4) | Eyreborn - 2.15 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£2.75 | ||
| 12 | 0001003 | scissors (1) | Fyxenna - 3.40 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£3.70 | |||
| 13 | dddd00- | Shanelee1966 (5) | Mazyoun - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£4.67 | |||
| 14 | 203d30- | Value Seeker (5) | Mitchum - 3.25 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£6.00 | |||
| 15 | 0002d30 | Baz_Man (2) | Golden Poet - 2.10 Wex | 2nd | -1.00 | -£6.50 | |||
| 16 | 0d0d0n- | Basil_the_don (4) | Mazyoun - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£7.00 | |||
| 17 | d00000- | de44ek4 (4) | No Selection | 0.00 | -£9.00 | ||||
| 18 | 0000000 | jb54 | The Bishop - 3.15 Ayr | Lost | -1.00 | -£10.25 | |||
| 19 | d00000- | Trusty (4) | We Know - 1.05 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£11.00 | |||
| 20 | 1030000 | sing when ur winning (1) | Chu Chu Percy - 3.15 Ayr | 2nd | -1.00 | -£11.38 | |||
| 21 | 31110d- | The Ghost (5) | I Will Follow - 1.35 Wex | Lost | -1.00 | -£11.54 | |||
| 22 | dddddd- | Ricky Santini (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£11.70 | ||||
| 23 | 0dd0dd- | prepared83 (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£12.00 | ||||
| 24 | d000002 | lead on (5) | Arthenus - 1.20 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£12.75 | |||
| 25 | 023dd0- | theres only one best tonic (5) | Mileva Roller - 3.15 Ayr | Lost | -1.00 | -£14.12 | |||
| 26 | dddddd- | petemac (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£16.25 | ||||
| 27 | d30ddd- | Winkaw (5) | Corton Lass - 12.30 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£19.09 | |||
| 28 | dddddd- | Eborman (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£20.00 | ||||
| 28 | dddddd- | Monte Christo (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£20.00 | ||||
| 30 | 0000110 | DeSSieReborn (1) | Bravery - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£20.38 | |||
| 31 | 03000d0 | cardenden (1) | Theglasgowwarrior - 2.15 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£22.50 | |||
| 32 | 000000- | Mat22 | No starting post | Lost | -1.00 | -£25.00 | |||
| 32 | 000000- | waccoe75 | No starting post | Lost | -1.00 | -£25.00 |
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| POS | CHG | FORM | NAME | SELECTION | RESULT | +/- | TOTAL | ||
| 1▲ | +1 | 1000012 | tictacman1 | Socksy - 2.40 Ayr | 1st 4/1 | 4.00 | £20.50 | ||
| 2▲ | -1 | 210010- | elvissss | Persistent - 4.05 Galw | 2nd | -1.00 | £17.60 | ||
| 3▲ | 0001000 | top2rated (1) | Ticks The Boxes - 3.25 Redcar | 3rd | -1.00 | £13.00 | |||
| 4▲ | 100000- | lmlac | Vengeur De Guye - 3.50 Ayr | 1st 3/1 | 3.00 | £7.00 | |||
| 5▲ | +3 | 003120- | Dirac Delta (4) | Vengeur De Guye - 3.50 Ayr | 1st 3/1 | 3.00 | £2.45 | ||
| 6 | -1 | n10321- | bluenose7 (2) | Persistent - 4.05 Galw | 2nd | -1.00 | £2.25 | ||
| 7 | +4 | 011100- | madrigal | Yes You - 3.25 Redcar | 1st 100/30 | 3.33 | £1.36 | ||
| 8 | +1 | 0010012 | Da Special 1 | Dinaria Des Obeaux - 3.55 Wex | 1st 2/1 | 2.00 | £1.35 | ||
| 9 | -3 | d212dd- | shortcake (5) | No Selection | 0.00 | £1.31 | |||
| 10 | -3 | 02d10d- | guernseyw (2) | Home Cummins - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£0.53 | ||
| 11 | -1 | d02d03- | Aquarius (4) | Eyreborn - 2.15 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£2.75 | ||
| 12 | 0001003 | scissors (1) | Fyxenna - 3.40 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£3.70 | |||
| 13 | dddd00- | Shanelee1966 (5) | Mazyoun - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£4.67 | |||
| 14 | 203d30- | Value Seeker (5) | Mitchum - 3.25 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£6.00 | |||
| 15 | 0002d30 | Baz_Man (2) | Golden Poet - 2.10 Wex | 2nd | -1.00 | -£6.50 | |||
| 16 | 0d0d0n- | Basil_the_don (4) | Mazyoun - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£7.00 | |||
| 17 | d00000- | de44ek4 (4) | No Selection | 0.00 | -£9.00 | ||||
| 18 | 0000000 | jb54 | The Bishop - 3.15 Ayr | Lost | -1.00 | -£10.25 | |||
| 19 | d00000- | Trusty (4) | We Know - 1.05 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£11.00 | |||
| 20 | 1030000 | sing when ur winning (1) | Chu Chu Percy - 3.15 Ayr | 2nd | -1.00 | -£11.38 | |||
| 21 | 31110d- | The Ghost (5) | I Will Follow - 1.35 Wex | Lost | -1.00 | -£11.54 | |||
| 22 | dddddd- | Ricky Santini (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£11.70 | ||||
| 23 | 0dd0dd- | prepared83 (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£12.00 | ||||
| 24 | d000002 | lead on (5) | Arthenus - 1.20 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£12.75 | |||
| 25 | 023dd0- | theres only one best tonic (5) | Mileva Roller - 3.15 Ayr | Lost | -1.00 | -£14.12 | |||
| 26 | dddddd- | petemac (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£16.25 | ||||
| 27 | d30ddd- | Winkaw (5) | Corton Lass - 12.30 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£19.09 | |||
| 28 | dddddd- | Eborman (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£20.00 | ||||
| 28 | dddddd- | Monte Christo (5) | No Selection | -1.00 | -£20.00 | ||||
| 30 | 0000110 | DeSSieReborn (1) | Bravery - 1.55 Leic | Lost | -1.00 | -£20.38 | |||
| 31 | 03000d0 | cardenden (1) | Theglasgowwarrior - 2.15 Redcar | Lost | -1.00 | -£22.50 | |||
| 000000- | Mat22 | RETIRED | |||||||
| 000000- | waccoe75 | RETIRED |
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Our leaders are definitely in it to win it, which means we do have a new leader on the penultimate day. And it's that trusty hand-shaking veteran tictacman1, who socked it to us with Socksy at 4/1 to nip up one to the top. A total of just over £20 too. Supagloreyus.
Two now sit side by side in the winners enclosure after backing the same horse, Vengeur De Guye at 3/1: lmlac in fourth and Dirac Delta, up three to fifth. Dey de guys!
Goodness, madrigal even banged in a nice little earner in Yes You at 100/30 to go up four to seventh.
Oi mads, yes YOU, don't forget, I'm still clocking you!
And nudging up one to sit behind him in eighth is Da Special 1 with a 2/1.
Bit more like that tomorrow could make things interesting. Go for it guys, and the very best of luck!
Our leaders are definitely in it to win it, which means we do have a new leader on the penultimate day. And it's that trusty hand-shaking veteran tictacman1, who socked it to us with Socksy at 4/1 to nip up one to the top. A total of just over £20 too. Supagloreyus.
Two now sit side by side in the winners enclosure after backing the same horse, Vengeur De Guye at 3/1: lmlac in fourth and Dirac Delta, up three to fifth. Dey de guys!
Goodness, madrigal even banged in a nice little earner in Yes You at 100/30 to go up four to seventh.
Oi mads, yes YOU, don't forget, I'm still clocking you!And nudging up one to sit behind him in eighth is Da Special 1 with a 2/1.
Bit more like that tomorrow could make things interesting. Go for it guys, and the very best of luck!
And here's your simple guide to what you need for greatness, assuming as always that everyone else loses!
| Championship | Promotion | |
| tictacman1 | - | - |
| elvissss | 1.91 | - |
| top2rated | 6.51 | - |
| lmlac | 12.51 | - |
| Dirac Delta | 17.06 | - |
| bluenose7 | 17.26 | 0 |
| madrigal | 18.15 | 0.1 |
| Da Special 1 | 18.16 | 0.11 |
| shortcake | 18.2 | 0.15 |
| guernseyw | 20.04 | 1.99 |
| Aquarius | 22.26 | 4.21 |
| scissors | 23.21 | 5.16 |
| Shanelee1966 | 24.18 | 6.13 |
| Value Seeker | 25.51 | 7.46 |
| Baz_Man | 26.01 | 7.96 |
| Basil_the_don | 26.51 | 8.46 |
| de44ek4 | 28.51 | 10.46 |
| jb54 | 29.76 | 11.71 |
| Trusty | 30.51 | 12.46 |
| sing when ur winning | 30.89 | 12.84 |
| The Ghost | 31.05 | 13 |
| Ricky Santini | 31.21 | 13.16 |
| prepared83 | 31.51 | 13.46 |
| lead on | 32.26 | 14.21 |
| theres only one best tonic | 33.63 | 15.58 |
| petemac | 35.76 | 17.71 |
| Winkaw | 38.6 | 20.55 |
| Eborman | 39.51 | 21.46 |
| Monte Christo | 39.51 | 21.46 |
| DeSSieReborn | 39.89 | 21.84 |
| cardenden | 42.01 | 23.96 |
Jack In A Box ....13:45 Chepstow
Many thanks Reged for all monthly scoring....Fantástico
Many thanks Reged for all monthly scoring....Fantástico
Loulin - 12.35 Catt
Thanks for all you hard work and dedication again Reg, diamond geezer
Thanks for all you hard work and dedication again Reg, diamond geezer
Ingleby Hollow - 2:40 Catt
Thank you Reged
for all your effort this month.
Thank you Reged
for all your effort this month.
My Brother Mike - 7.40 Wolves.
G/L all.
Thx's for the admin "Reged"
G/L all.
Thx's for the admin "Reged"
Our Charlie Brown - 2.10 Catterick
Cheers for all your efforts Reged
Cheers for all your efforts Reged
Shimmering Light - 7.40 Wolvhmptn
Cheers Reg - thanks for another great month's work.
Cheers Reg - thanks for another great month's work.
Short Work 3:45 Catterick
thanks for all your Hard Work Mr Reged Sir
thanks for all your Hard Work Mr Reged Sir
Rock On Oscar - 3.25 Chepstow
Tks for all ur work Reged - much appreciated
Tks for all ur work Reged - much appreciated
Shouranour - 210 Catterick
Cheers Reged
Cheers Reged
Royal Connoisseur - 2.10 Catt
Thanks once more for all your hard work, Reged.
Thanks once more for all your hard work, Reged.
The Ghost
Ambitious Boy - 6.40 Wolverhampton
Dirac Delta
Cherokee Prince - 4.10 Bangor
Cheers
Ambitious Boy - 6.40 Wolverhampton
Dirac Delta
Cherokee Prince - 4.10 Bangor
Cheers
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time is ticking away Sir Reged---I'm still out of the cage
time is ticking away Sir Reged---I'm still out of the cage
cardenden 31 Oct 17 11:42
good luck all,,,em.. well not quite,deadbrain you got in here because of your pal,, so no good luck to you,,you were fortunate no one noticed what he did for you,, GOD BLESS YOU MY SON
Leave it out cardy
Rules are rools
Nothing underhand at all
Some settlers might take offence at being accused of cheating
Might want to take a look at your position instead
good luck all,,,em.. well not quite,deadbrain you got in here because of your pal,, so no good luck to you,,you were fortunate no one noticed what he did for you,, GOD BLESS YOU MY SON
Leave it out cardy
Rules are rools
Nothing underhand at all
Some settlers might take offence at being accused of cheating
Might want to take a look at your position instead
Dolphin Village - 1.35 Catterick
A difficult month with lots of logging on problems, that I appear to have found a solution to.
Anywho, here's my bid for promotion, thanks again for all the effort you put in Reged, Cheers..
A difficult month with lots of logging on problems, that I appear to have found a solution to.
Anywho, here's my bid for promotion, thanks again for all the effort you put in Reged, Cheers..
Okay folks, your fate is sealed! The very best of luck ...
**************** NO MORE SELECTIONS ***************
We're orf and running!
**************** NO MORE SELECTIONS ***************
We're orf and running!
And here's today's runners and riders, with current table pos in brackets ...
12:35 Catterick: Loulin 15/2 - Shanelee1966 (13)
12:55 Bangor: Mad For Action 33/1 - cardenden (31)
13:05 Catterick: Ebitda 3/1 - Da Special 1 (8)
13:35 Catterick: Dalshand 18/1 - sing when ur winning (20)
13:35 Catterick: Dolphin Village 25/1 - Winkaw (27)
13:45 Chepstow: Jack In A Box 8/1 - tictacman1 (1)
14:10 Catterick: Al Khan 16/1 - Baz_Man (15)
14:10 Catterick: Our Charlie Brown 7/1 - Basil_the_don (16)
14:10 Catterick: Royal Connoisseur 10/1 - top2rated (3)
14:10 Catterick: Shouranour 14/1 - theres only one best tonic (25)
14:20 Chepstow: Boutan 12/1 - DeSSieReborn (30)
14:30 Bangor: Diamond Rock 13/2 - jb54 (18)
14:40 Catterick: Ingleby Hollow 11/2 - scissors (12)
14:40 Catterick: Jan Smuts 25/1 - Trusty (19)
15:25 Chepstow: Rock On Oscar 11/4 - elvissss (2)
15:45 Catterick: Short Work 8/5 - madrigal (7)
16:10 Bangor: Cherokee Prince 9/4 - Dirac Delta (5)
17:40 Wolverhampton: Handsome Bob 10/1 - Aquarius (11)
18:10 Wolverhampton: Teepee Time 16/1 - lead on (24)
18:40 Wolverhampton: Ambitious Boy 25/1 - The Ghost (21)
19:40 Wolverhampton: My Brother Mike 4/1 - bluenose7 (6)
19:40 Wolverhampton: Peace And Plenty 10/3 - guernseyw (10)
19:40 Wolverhampton: Shimmering Light 20/1 - lmlac (4)
12:35 Catterick: Loulin 15/2 - Shanelee1966 (13)
12:55 Bangor: Mad For Action 33/1 - cardenden (31)
13:05 Catterick: Ebitda 3/1 - Da Special 1 (8)
13:35 Catterick: Dalshand 18/1 - sing when ur winning (20)
13:35 Catterick: Dolphin Village 25/1 - Winkaw (27)
13:45 Chepstow: Jack In A Box 8/1 - tictacman1 (1)
14:10 Catterick: Al Khan 16/1 - Baz_Man (15)
14:10 Catterick: Our Charlie Brown 7/1 - Basil_the_don (16)
14:10 Catterick: Royal Connoisseur 10/1 - top2rated (3)
14:10 Catterick: Shouranour 14/1 - theres only one best tonic (25)
14:20 Chepstow: Boutan 12/1 - DeSSieReborn (30)
14:30 Bangor: Diamond Rock 13/2 - jb54 (18)
14:40 Catterick: Ingleby Hollow 11/2 - scissors (12)
14:40 Catterick: Jan Smuts 25/1 - Trusty (19)
15:25 Chepstow: Rock On Oscar 11/4 - elvissss (2)
15:45 Catterick: Short Work 8/5 - madrigal (7)
16:10 Bangor: Cherokee Prince 9/4 - Dirac Delta (5)
17:40 Wolverhampton: Handsome Bob 10/1 - Aquarius (11)
18:10 Wolverhampton: Teepee Time 16/1 - lead on (24)
18:40 Wolverhampton: Ambitious Boy 25/1 - The Ghost (21)
19:40 Wolverhampton: My Brother Mike 4/1 - bluenose7 (6)
19:40 Wolverhampton: Peace And Plenty 10/3 - guernseyw (10)
19:40 Wolverhampton: Shimmering Light 20/1 - lmlac (4)
Regde — ^^ THAT is a fantastic post mate..
Far beyond the call of duty .. WELL DONE ( claps)..
Far beyond the call of duty .. WELL DONE ( claps)..
WINKAW
AND ALL WHO HAVE A PROBLEM LOGGING IN !!
At the first screen
Press button Top Left = Community Classic
And just log in to post ..
Your mate Scissors DOES have some uses !!
AND ALL WHO HAVE A PROBLEM LOGGING IN !!
At the first screen
Press button Top Left = Community Classic
And just log in to post ..
Your mate Scissors DOES have some uses !!
Scissors 30 Oct 17 20:09
Da Special —i fancied that one to win as well
—-/————-
TOLD YOU !!
Da Special —i fancied that one to win as well
—-/————-
TOLD YOU !!
MADHATTERS 12:14 post
“ leave it out cardy”
———————
Better to say
“Button it up cardy”
“ leave it out cardy”
———————
Better to say
“Button it up cardy”
One great winner so far puts Da Special 1 in with a big chance of promotion! ... 
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| POS | Chng | Result | Total | Today's nap | ||
| 1 | tictacman1 | Lost | 19.5 | |||
| 2 | elvissss | 17.6 | 2.8 | |||
| 3 | top2rated | 13 | 10 | |||
| 4 | lmlac | 7 | 20 | |||
| 5 | +3 | Da Special 1 | Won 4/1 | 5.35 | ||
| 6 | -1 | Dirac Delta | 2.45 | 2.3 | ||
| 7 | -1 | bluenose7 | 2.25 | 4 | ||
| 8 | -1 | madrigal | 1.36 | 1.6 | ||
| 9 | shortcake | NS | 0.31 | |||
| 10 | guernseyw | -0.53 | 3.3 | |||
| 11 | Aquarius | -2.75 | 10 | |||
| 12 | scissors | -3.7 | 5.5 | |||
| 13 | Shanelee1966 | Lost | -5.67 | |||
| 14 | +1 | Baz_Man | -6.5 | 16 | ||
| 15 | +1 | Basil_the_don | -7 | 7 | ||
| 16 | -2 | Value Seeker | NS | -7 | ||
| 17 | de44ek4 | NS | -10 | |||
| 18 | jb54 | -10.25 | 6.5 | |||
| 19 | Trusty | -11 | 25 | |||
| 20 | +1 | The Ghost | -11.54 | 25 | ||
| 21 | -1 | sing when ur winning | Lost | -12.38 | ||
| 22 | Ricky Santini | NS | -12.7 | |||
| 23 | +1 | lead on | -12.75 | 16 | ||
| 24 | -1 | prepared83 | NS | -13 | ||
| 25 | theres only one best tonic | -14.12 | 14 | |||
| 26 | petemac | NS | -17.25 | |||
| 27 | Winkaw | Lost | -20.09 | |||
| 28 | +2 | DeSSieReborn | -20.38 | 12 | ||
| 29 | -1 | Monte Christo | NS | -21 | ||
| 29 | -1 | Eborman | NS | -21 | ||
| 31 | cardenden | Lost | -23.5 |
cheers mr cardy ... winners r cumin thick and fast, but the top places stay the same DS1 is hanging on!
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| POS | Chng | Result | Total | Today's nap | ||
| 1 | tictacman1 | Lost | 19.5 | |||
| 2 | elvissss | 17.6 | 2.8 | |||
| 3 | top2rated | Lost | 12 | |||
| 4 | lmlac | 7 | 20 | |||
| 5 | +3 | Da Special 1 | Won 4/1 | 5.35 | ||
| 6 | -1 | Dirac Delta | 2.45 | 2.3 | ||
| 7 | -1 | bluenose7 | 2.25 | 4 | ||
| 8 | -1 | madrigal | 1.36 | 1.6 | ||
| 9 | shortcake | NS | 0.31 | |||
| 10 | +6 | Basil_the_don | Won 7/1 | 0 | ||
| 11 | -1 | guernseyw | -0.53 | 3.3 | ||
| 12 | -1 | Aquarius | -2.75 | 10 | ||
| 13 | -1 | scissors | Lost | -4.7 | ||
| 14 | +4 | jb54 | Won 11/2 | -4.75 | ||
| 15 | -2 | Shanelee1966 | Lost | -5.67 | ||
| 16 | -2 | Value Seeker | NS | -7 | ||
| 17 | -2 | Baz_Man | Lost | -7.5 | ||
| 18 | -1 | de44ek4 | NS | -10 | ||
| 19 | +2 | The Ghost | -11.54 | 25 | ||
| 20 | -1 | Trusty | Lost | -12 | ||
| 21 | -1 | sing when ur winning | Lost | -12.38 | ||
| 22 | Ricky Santini | NS | -12.7 | |||
| 23 | +1 | lead on | -12.75 | 16 | ||
| 24 | -1 | prepared83 | NS | -13 | ||
| 25 | theres only one best tonic | Lost | -15.12 | |||
| 26 | petemac | NS | -17.25 | |||
| 27 | Winkaw | Lost | -20.09 | |||
| 28 | Monte Christo | NS | -21 | |||
| 28 | Eborman | NS | -21 | |||
| 30 | DeSSieReborn | Lost | -21.38 | |||
| 31 | cardenden | Lost | -23.5 |
im the strongest though,, ive got everyone on my shoulders.
I wouldn't have that rabble on my shoulders ... heave them off!
yes mr madrigal but sadly it doesdnt quite get you to the promised land 
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