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DIVISION 2 SELECTIONS for SUNDAY 18th January (optional)

Knight Commander

17 Jan 15 15:33

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Knight Commander When: 17 Jan 15 16:16

POS	CHG	FORM	NAME	SELECTION	RESULT	+/-	TOTAL
1▲	+3	0-01010	onehundredandeighty (1)	Glastonberry - 3.10 Lingfield	1st 16/1	16.00	£26.75
2▲	-1	200dd11	Gorgeous George (3)	No Selection		0.00	£20.50
3▲	-1	1-31002	Virgin	Beach Bar - 2.35 Lingfield	Lost	-1.00	£15.88
4▲	+4	2-30d0d	pedro39 (2)	Rebel Rebellion - 3.35 Ascot	1st 12/1	12.00	£13.83
5▲	-2	1102110	lead on	Rule the World - 1.55 Naas	2nd 6/4F	-1.00	£10.52
6	-1	1-ddn1d	SirRembrandt (3)	Green Flag - 3.15 Haydock	Lost	-1.00	£8.05
7	-1	0-11301	Value Seeker (2)	Mishaal - 2.00 Lingfield	3rd 4/1F	-1.00	£6.18
8	-1	1-0120d	dogdayafternoon (1)	Niceonefrankie - 3.35 Ascot	Lost	-1.00	£5.16
9	+1	0100n00	ad hoc shouldve won a national	Dodging Bullets - 3.00 Ascot	1st 7/2	3.50	£4.28
10	+4	0-00200	ged	Abundantly - 1.40 Taunton	1st 9/4	2.25	£1.25
11	-2	0-20321	Lampus	Colour Squadron - 12.55 Haydock	Lost	-1.00	£0.61
12	+13	0000100	Sing when ur winning (1)	Baradari - 2.25 Ascot	1st 11/2	5.50	-£0.50
13	+2	0212111	scissors (1)	Out Sam - 4.05 Ascot	1st 4/9F	0.44	-£0.72
14	-3	0-00101	la mallatiere (3)	Garde La Victoire - 2.25 Ascot	Lost	-1.00	-£0.77
15	-3	322d00d	cannyman (5)	Whats Left - 3.55 Taunton	Lost	-1.00	-£0.92
16	-3	2-00201	Aquarius	Carraig Mor - 2.40 Haydock	Lost	-1.00	-£1.82
17	-1	0220d21	carrot1960 (1)	Heavenly Brook - 3.40 Naas	2nd 4/1	-1.00	-£2.50
18	-1	d101000	FCH (1)	Niceonefrankie - 3.35 Ascot	Lost	-1.00	-£3.00
19	-1	0-2d0dd	MALTWHIX (5)	Sprinter Sacre - 3.00 Ascot	2nd 4/6F	-1.00	-£3.80
20	-1	0-d0213	IndyHarry (4)	Sprinter Sacre - 3.00 Ascot	2nd 4/6F	-1.00	-£4.55
21	-1	0-11000	The Sawyer (2)	Shangani - 3.15 Haydock	Lost	-1.00	-£4.75
22	+2	0-10221	man of many moods (3)	Emirates Skycargo - 1.25 Lingfield	1st 8/13F	0.62	-£5.02
23	-2	0-11n33	kwalker	Crakehall Lad - 12.50 Lingfield	2nd 10/11F	-1.00	-£5.68
24	-2	2211000	warrick hunt	Niceonefrankie - 3.35 Ascot	Lost	-1.00	-£6.12
25	-2	1-1d100	Billposter (1)	Tigers Tale - 2.35 Lingfield	2nd 3/1	-1.00	-£6.16
26▼		0202100	Fidway	Garde La Victoire - 2.25 Ascot	Lost	-1.00	-£7.09
27▼		0-00301	raspberrybottom	Harrogate Fair - 3.10 Lingfield	N/R	0.00	-£7.63
28▼		0-233d0	Grok (2)	Rocky Elsom - 2.50 Taunton	Lost	-1.00	-£9.00
29▼		2-00000	buffythebookieslayer (2)	Ballinvarrig - 3.35 Ascot	Lost	-1.00	-£10.00
30▼		0-00000	Winkaw	Melvin the Grate - 2.35 Lingfield	Lost	-1.00	-£10.75

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Knight Commander When: 17 Jan 15 16:21

onehundredandeighty managed to avoid any dead-heats today and went into pole position with an excellent 16/1 winning nap,

closely followed by pedro39 who moved on to the podium with a 12/1 success,

Sing when ur winning, ad hoc shouldve won a national and ged all improved their standings with 11/2, 7/2 and 9/4 winners respectively while

man of many moods and scissors weighed-in with odds-on shots.

Value Seeker, carrot69 and Billposter just hit the post with decent-priced efforts.

Big ups to today's winners and Good Luck to those who have a go tomorrow.

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Virgin When: 17 Jan 15 17:03

onehundredandeighty

pedro39

Cheers KC

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lead on When: 17 Jan 15 18:26

Real Steel...1.50 Leopardstown,please KC.

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petemac When: 17 Jan 15 19:26

nine dart finish for 180 well done mate and great Nap Pedro.

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carrot1960 When: 18 Jan 15 02:43

Mireya 3.20 leopardstown

cheers

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onehundredandeighty When: 18 Jan 15 10:50

Thanks guys

Kempton 14.05

Polar Kite

Cheers

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Shanelee1966 When: 18 Jan 15 11:00

La mallatiere

Modem 2.50 Leopardstown

Thanks kc,

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buffythebookieslayer When: 18 Jan 15 12:01

Lewamy - 4.35 Kempton

Thanks KC

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.Fidway. When: 18 Jan 15 12:01

Pirofbrowneyes - 2.50 Leopardstown

for ad hoc

Foxrock - 2.20 Leopardstown

for warrick hunt

Fort Smith - 2.50 Leopardstown

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FCH When: 18 Jan 15 12:34

Shantou Ed - 2.50 Leopardstown

Thanks KC

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scissors When: 18 Jan 15 12:38

Tsarglas - 4.35 Kemp
Ciao senor KC.

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Sing when ur winning When: 18 Jan 15 13:00

Dogora - 2.20 Leop

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Billposter When: 18 Jan 15 13:36

Hallelujah - 3:35 Kempton Park

Thanks Knight Commander

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Virgin When: 18 Jan 15 14:05

Divine Call - 3.05 Kempton

Cheers KC

Hope they don't change their intentions after Hamis Al Bin disappointed in the first race

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Gorgeous George. When: 18 Jan 15 14:09

KC.re dead heat-As much for my own curiosity, should it have been £5 as opposed to £4-50?

Monashka Bay 4-35 Kempton

Cheers.

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Knight Commander When: 18 Jan 15 14:20

I see what you mean George but this is something which the software works out automatically.
I'll pass your enquiry over to "Dr" Reged.

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 14:48

The software, which predates me I have to say, is bang on.

Under standard bookie (and BF) rules, the return is calculated thus:

First the stake is divided by the number of dead-heaters, so in this case: 1/2 = 0.5

The return is then calculated on that stake: 0.5*10 = 5

But then the other part of the stake is returned to the layer, so 5 - 0.5 = 4.5

Simples!

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 14:51

That's not entirely clear: after the stake is divided by the number of DH's, the bet is calculated on the revised stake, but the original stake minus the revised stake is returned to the layer. I must say I think it's mightily unfair on the punter - if a shortie wins a dead heat you almost certainly end up losing - but that's 'the law'!

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Knight Commander When: 18 Jan 15 15:11

Thanks Reged, appreciated.

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 15:12

* www.betting-explained.com/dead-heat-rules-explained

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Gorgeous George. When: 18 Jan 15 15:27

Thanks for time and explanation; I thought you simply had half your stake at full odds for a dead heat.

Cheers.

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Gorgeous George. When: 18 Jan 15 15:47

Reged-Just followed your link and copied this.

'For example, if you have £10 win bet at 10/1 on a horse and it dead-heats for first place with another horse, then your betting stake is reduced to £5. You are returned £55 (ie: £5 win at 10/1 = £50 + £5 stake returned = £55 returns to you).'

As it happens, the example of 10-1 is the same price as our particular dead heat. So, if we divide the above example by 10, to give a £1 stake, the return would be £5-50, then obviously the 50p stake would be deducted.
I feel that Betfair rules must differ from High Street rules, when it comes to a dead heat.

Cheers.

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 15:57

No, I saw that too George but it is a slight misreading because they don't explain it perfectly. Yes, you get £55 back in that example, but that is only after you first having paid your £10 stake in (what you are getting back is gross, including half stake). So your NET return is £45. BF rules are he same as the rest.

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 15:58

... and the naps comp is not based on BF prices or rules

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Shanelee1966 When: 18 Jan 15 16:09

Correct with d/h, always thought it unfair on the punter.

From memory 3/1 that d/h`s = evens winner.

Anyway, is every one ok?

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Gorgeous George. When: 18 Jan 15 16:38

I understand now that you have explained the rules are different to those of High Street. Cheers.

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 16:42

not wot I said George - they are exactly the same as the high street, and betfair

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Gorgeous George. When: 18 Jan 15 17:04

If I had £1 on 10-1 dead heat, High Street,I would have £5-50 return. My stake would have been halved-take away the stake and you are left with £5?

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Reged When: 18 Jan 15 17:26

No george, only in dreamland would that happen. On the High Street as anywhere else you'd hand over your £1 stake. That would be halved and the bookie would pocket the other half. You'd then get your 10/1 on 50p, £5, plus your 50p half stake back. But that means that your £5 win on the bet is reduced by the half stake you gave to the bookie - so £4.50. ie you hand £1 in and get £5.50 back.

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Gorgeous George. When: 18 Jan 15 18:06

Alright reged, I see what you are saying; I'll go back to dreamland.

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scissors When: 19 Jan 15 01:14

Anyone got a paracetomol ?

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Lampus When: 19 Jan 15 07:19

Sebastion Beach 1.25 Bangnor

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