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The option of a Last Race Favourite for 10 non-posting days each month has caused great controversy, with a number calling for it to be scrapped. We are asking all members of the Naps Competition for your simple view on the LRF. Should we keep it or scrap it?
Let's not argue here about the intricacies of how we might amend or replace it. This is simply to gauge the strength of opinion among competitors on the issue. If the majority want it scrapped the settlers will produce a replacement proposal based on the discussion that has already taken place. If the majority want to keep it, the settlers will again discuss how it might be improved (ie possibly a cap). But putting these issues aside, we need to know where you all stand on the core issue. So please put your vote down here.
The question:
Are you happy with the Last Race Favourite option (LRF)?
If you are, just put down YES. If not, and you want it to be scrapped, put down NO
Please just cast a simple vote - either YES or NO. This is NOT a discussion thread. We've had plenty of that already. You can find it on a thread entitled Last race bleedin favourites.
All those taking part in the competition, including those for whom others post their naps, have a vote. We will be looking for a majority among those who actually vote, on the basis that those that don't clearly don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. So please, if you have an opinion, make sure you vote.
Thank you, and have a nice day.
The settlers
Let's not argue here about the intricacies of how we might amend or replace it. This is simply to gauge the strength of opinion among competitors on the issue. If the majority want it scrapped the settlers will produce a replacement proposal based on the discussion that has already taken place. If the majority want to keep it, the settlers will again discuss how it might be improved (ie possibly a cap). But putting these issues aside, we need to know where you all stand on the core issue. So please put your vote down here.
The question:
Are you happy with the Last Race Favourite option (LRF)?
If you are, just put down YES. If not, and you want it to be scrapped, put down NO
Please just cast a simple vote - either YES or NO. This is NOT a discussion thread. We've had plenty of that already. You can find it on a thread entitled Last race bleedin favourites.
All those taking part in the competition, including those for whom others post their naps, have a vote. We will be looking for a majority among those who actually vote, on the basis that those that don't clearly don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. So please, if you have an opinion, make sure you vote.
Thank you, and have a nice day.
The settlers
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Not voting Reged. Mine would be purely selfish and not necessarily for the good of the competition.
yes, personally I don't think it matters as if you bet every last race fav you would be a minus usually, so its no big deal but as some one said here if you where close to top and went on holiday for week, would be unfair to loss every day.
Yes for me at least you now u got a chance of profit if you've been unable to post
Andrew in Sweden 04 Mar 14 19:03
Is it really a fair and democratic vote if posters are allowed to use their 'alter ego' identities (some have more than 2) ?
Do I take it from this that some people are actually in the leagues more than once ie using more than one name??
Is it really a fair and democratic vote if posters are allowed to use their 'alter ego' identities (some have more than 2) ?
Do I take it from this that some people are actually in the leagues more than once ie using more than one name??
Was that your vote Salmon or an answer to Dessie's question?
NO .............. but i think LRF should still exist but the (10) should be reduced to 3-5 for obvious reasons.
Is it really a fair and democratic vote if posters are allowed to use their 'alter ego' identities (some have more than 2) ?
At least one individual on here has enough user names to have his own division ..... very sad.
Is it really a fair and democratic vote if posters are allowed to use their 'alter ego' identities (some have more than 2) ?
At least one individual on here has enough user names to have his own division ..... very sad.
Just popped on to have a read and i have to agree with the above poster who makes a very valid point -all a bit of a farce really isnt it
no - why? but don't answer here please, do it on the other thread if you want to come back
REGED
Took your advice and put the issue of 'Multi player syndrome' to the LRF bleedin favourites thread
Took your advice and put the issue of 'Multi player syndrome' to the LRF bleedin favourites thread
Keep LRF
(not sure if my vote has been brought forward from the other discussion thread?)
(not sure if my vote has been brought forward from the other discussion thread?)
Well done again all you non posters landing a nice 7/2 shot , kinda took the gloss off my 45 minutes of studying and finishing with a 100/30 winner.
I really am 100% against LRF simply because I don't think anyone should be awarded for not playing but I am for rest days to cover people who find it difficult to post on a Daily Basis whether it's 3, 5 or whatever I am happy to leave that in the good hands of the settlers.
I really am 100% against LRF simply because I don't think anyone should be awarded for not playing but I am for rest days to cover people who find it difficult to post on a Daily Basis whether it's 3, 5 or whatever I am happy to leave that in the good hands of the settlers.
im actually swinging round to LRF but they should not prosper from those that actually tip. so keep the rules as they are but LRF odds will be the shortest priced winner of the day.
fraid that wouldnt work - has to be last race to rule out temptation
YES
Of course, YES.
Instructions have always been an integral and very important part of this competition, which is after all just a bit of fun. To scrap them would be very foolish and definitely detrimental to the competition.
I'm still completely bewildered as to why some players have suddenly started whingeing about instructions after all these years. To my mind, this ill-conceived vote shouldn't even have been considered by the organisers.
Let's hope common sense prevails!
Of course, YES.
Instructions have always been an integral and very important part of this competition, which is after all just a bit of fun. To scrap them would be very foolish and definitely detrimental to the competition.
I'm still completely bewildered as to why some players have suddenly started whingeing about instructions after all these years. To my mind, this ill-conceived vote shouldn't even have been considered by the organisers.
Let's hope common sense prevails!
'all these years'...automatically being on LRF has only been default for about 2 maybe 3 years, since being allowed to have 'proper' instructions.
If you don't post you shouldn't win. Where is the sense in having a tipping competition where a napster gets 120 days where they have a horse picked for them (which is what LRF amounts to)/ Let's not forget we all get another 50 days a years off for optinal Sundays. So we have a Naps table wherein a player only has to pick a horse for roughly 50% of the time.......crazy!
However, no-one can be around to post every day so there should be a fixed number of days per year (with a limit set per month within this) to allow for this.
You score zero on these non-posting days until you exceed your monthly and/or yearly limit then you score -1 for each extra day.
If you don't post you shouldn't win. Where is the sense in having a tipping competition where a napster gets 120 days where they have a horse picked for them (which is what LRF amounts to)/ Let's not forget we all get another 50 days a years off for optinal Sundays. So we have a Naps table wherein a player only has to pick a horse for roughly 50% of the time.......crazy!
However, no-one can be around to post every day so there should be a fixed number of days per year (with a limit set per month within this) to allow for this.
You score zero on these non-posting days until you exceed your monthly and/or yearly limit then you score -1 for each extra day.
sorry ... first line should say 'since being allowed 'proper' instructions was stopped'
you'll get the fin count when Ive found some fin spare time in between settling, running errands and generally doing everything for everywun else, if thats okay
must say I am seriosuly rethinking my work here after reading some of the bitter, unkind stuff on this and the other thred ... like a school playground
That`s why I`ve been a little annoyed with this debate Reg.
If I have posted something that has upset you Reg (I apologise) this would not have been intentional.
no pete, I wasnt referring to you ... sorry, I'm a bit ratty, had a stressful day ... but the point still stands. This is a free and not too serious competition. Essentially it's just a bit of fun, but you wouldn't think that to read some of the stuff.
... and I'm getting it in the neck just for wanting to know people's views before coming to a decision. well, I'm terribly sorry for seeking to ask people what they think. Obviously I'm right out of order, won't happen again yer honour. 
I'll put the results down tomorrow ... I've got more 'doin for others' to attend to
I truly hope I haven't upset anyone either boys.
I have spent a lot of time reading all the posts, weighing them up and offering my thoughts and reasonings in a clear manner (if not always concise!).
Not sure you can say that about some of others with their throw away ;cutting' one-line answers
Don't remember being offensive at any time but if I was then I am embarrassed about that and apologise 100%.
Cheers,
Mad.
I have spent a lot of time reading all the posts, weighing them up and offering my thoughts and reasonings in a clear manner (if not always concise!
).Not sure you can say that about some of others with their throw away ;cutting' one-line answers
Don't remember being offensive at any time but if I was then I am embarrassed about that and apologise 100%.
Cheers,
Mad.
& where have you got in the neck Reg ?
Getting all touchy again
Getting all touchy again
The final vote
Members: 127
Votes: 83 (65%)
YES: 36
NO: 47
plus two who specifically announced they were abstaining
Members: 127
Votes: 83 (65%)
YES: 36
NO: 47
plus two who specifically announced they were abstaining
... and, for the record ...
Those whose votes were not posted under the same BF username - 8
(warrick hunt, ad hoc shouldve won a national, shanelee1966, alist5, polo minx, The Fruity Kiwi & his Gerbil, SkintofGreatYarmouth, cannyman)
Yes - 4
No - 4
Those who posted for napsters who are not apparently Betfair members (leastways, I couldn't find them) - 3
(warrick hunt, The Fruity Kiwi, cannyman)
Yes - 2
No - 1
Those whose votes were not posted under the same BF username - 8
(warrick hunt, ad hoc shouldve won a national, shanelee1966, alist5, polo minx, The Fruity Kiwi & his Gerbil, SkintofGreatYarmouth, cannyman)
Yes - 4
No - 4
Those who posted for napsters who are not apparently Betfair members (leastways, I couldn't find them) - 3
(warrick hunt, The Fruity Kiwi, cannyman)
Yes - 2
No - 1
Got your PM Reg but can`t reply, again something about Wizard, I give in.
So we have rejected last race fav.
What are we going to do for those that are on holiday and can`t post?
What are we going to do for those that are on holiday and can`t post?
Ok Reg, just puzzled re Wizard thingy. It was driving me nuts last night with pop-ups appearing and all sorts going wrong and I never touched anything, no dodgy site etc.
The Wizard thingy wasn`t the cause of last night`s problems I might add.
If I try to send a PM it says, sorry you can`t send a message until you complete the Wizard, who`s the feckin Wizard I ask?
Then I click on the Go To Wizard and it tells me about an error with image upload 
that personal area is a minefield of cockups ... it once suddenly delisted all my posts. Sounds like you got a problem with a pic you tried to upload. looks like the helpdesk for u
anyway, dont clutter this thred up or people will miss the result
So I suggest we settlers go into conclave on this issue. Can you do white smoke?
I don`t smoke anymore, just had a stir fry and could murder one
Well, we have to steer clear of what we had before the change to last race fav.
very roman catholic, Reged, you a left footer? no need to answer
Is the smoke a Catlik thing, as in when they select a new one?
yup thats the wun shaney ... get your missus to run a fire (you still have em oop north doncha?) with lots of black smoke, then when we've made a decision, tell er to switch to whire! 
tis Shane, white for no decision or black for deceion, or tother way round.
Was brought up an RC meself, then lapsed, then relapsed and finally collapsed
Was brought up an RC meself, then lapsed, then relapsed and finally collapsed
wun of the many that drinks like a fish and scoffs bacon like its going out of fashion! islam's about how to live in the desert without a fridge, and there aint no sand where I live!
you should try sand Reged - beaches are wonderful places
so how bout I put down sum options end em them to yous all? it'll not be kwik as I've got the lay comp starting again tomoz
nah bb, I dont like inflicting a great white whale on poor unsuspecting folk!
me neither Reged - and yes please put options out there and we'll come to an agreement.
saw a vid the other night of ed balls on his hols doing aerobics ... it was truly ugly! 
I`m a spiritualist.
Email sent to all settlers and momms (cover)
Email sent to all settlers and momms (cover)
There is always one
Reg "Can you do white Smoke"?
Shane "I don't smoke anymore"
Reg "Can you do white Smoke"?
Shane "I don't smoke anymore"
You will feel a new man in a couple of weeks.
I just hope he doesn't punch you.
I just hope he doesn't punch you.
There`s a rumour going round that Reg has napped a winner today 
you should try electronic smoking shane, much better than cigs IMO
Value Seeker - you are two days too late but your view is noted
Packed it in almost 15 years ago now. Found the patches and gum absolutely useless but the inhalator worked a treat.
E-cigs didn't exist then so no idea about those.
Lit up once about week 6 but found it revolting and never been remotely tempted since. Just as well as I probably couldn't afford it now anyway.
Glad you're on the mend Shane.
E-cigs didn't exist then so no idea about those.
Lit up once about week 6 but found it revolting and never been remotely tempted since. Just as well as I probably couldn't afford it now anyway.
Glad you're on the mend Shane.
All - I along with the other settlers need to decide on how to move forward. My feelings are that we need a safety net for such instances Value. Also, the same for holidays.
I`m hoping we can reach an agreement by the weekend.
Email sent to four settlers.
I`m hoping we can reach an agreement by the weekend.
Email sent to four settlers.
47 out of 127 want a change and we're thinking of changing it? When Hitler **** his votes at least he did a proper job and got 98%.
Suggestions then...
50 LRF's a year, just use a counter and it goes down 1 per LRF until a specified date and then we all get our 50 back.
Or we could have 50 NR's, if you don't post its a nonner, same again 50 a year.... last day rules apply of course.
There MUST be a way of putting up something in the interest of fairness - some, if not most cannot post a selection up every single day.
Suggestions then...
50 LRF's a year, just use a counter and it goes down 1 per LRF until a specified date and then we all get our 50 back.
Or we could have 50 NR's, if you don't post its a nonner, same again 50 a year.... last day rules apply of course.
There MUST be a way of putting up something in the interest of fairness - some, if not most cannot post a selection up every single day.
50 or 40 or whatever - it needs to be at the very least 25
For simplicity I feel we would need to stick with the calendar month Ming.
It's a good thing the monthly option Shane (and I was happy with the old system)..... but it must be at least 10 because a fortnight on a cruise ship means relegation..... which leads us to the perfectly acceptable situation we are in now.
Just make them nonners then? that'd be popular....
Just make them nonners then? that'd be popular....
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