Last race bleedin favourites

Yawn. ITS A FCKING GAME. In my opinion so long has everyone has a selection a day, WHEREVER its come from, then the comp is fair. Unfortunately their are those in life who look for every angle to take advantage of others. Oh dear a 9/2 winner.

I'm sure there are lots of people, like me, who simply forget to post. If you want a FAIR challenge, then EVERYONE should have a selection per day. How many last race favs go in?? FFS change it to the outsider of the field in the last race if it stops them ****ing moping. Oh wait, when the 20/1 winner goes in in 50 weeks time there will be an outcry again.

I also usually forget last day rules and don't get a selection. So what.

Calm down Dessie you getting me worried.

no smoke without fire lol.

Dessie I am gonna open a bottle of Good Red wine Chateauneuf du Pape gonna pour 2 glasses Dessie, one for me and one for you if you are not here in 20 minutes I will drink it for you.
Toast to Shane " Good Health mate "

You should follow DeSSie on the Man U thread pete
They all seem to think he is a masturbator     

Not a good time to be a Man Utd Fan (I was once in the years of Best , Law and Charlton)

How is Shane doing petemac, is he on the road to recovery?

all the best to shane, hope he recovers quickly.

salmon spray 04 Mar 14 21:26 
You should follow DeSSie on the Man U thread pete
They all seem to think he is a masturbator

I should never have called them analmals

If all you jealous crybaby types must persist with this I suggest 36 LRF's a year, the counter should be easy enough for the mods to handle..... reset every grand national day or whatever.

This thread has so much sh1t in it that words fail me. Some people need to seriously get a life. This is fun people so don't bring your petty work and motion practices into your happy place.

Gets off soapbox

I have no objections to LRF - in the long run it really hardly matters. But it is useful if you're on holiday and wake up midday with a hangover and don't have to scrabble around to post. Why not just limit it to 10 days a year instead of 10 days a month?

If it does get scrapped it's not too hard to write some code that will automatically post it anyway, though I'd rather do something more productive with my time.

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Reged suggested i put this on here from the 'Scrap it thread'

The biggest joke with the comp. is not LRF or odds on naps it's the multi player sado's , currently 129 names in the 4 divisions but the reality is that actual individual persons amount to probably less than two thirds of the 129 players , laughable really.

Andrew in Sweden 04 Mar 14 19:03 
Is it really a fair and democratic vote if posters are allowed to use their 'alter ego' identities (some have more than 2) ?


DeSSieReborn 04 Mar 14 23:00 
Do I take it from this that some people are actually in the leagues more than once ie using more than one name??


alleged22 04 Mar 14 23:21 
id rather know the answer to dessies question?


grey shark  05 Mar 14 19:43
At least one individual on here has enough user names to have his own division ..... very sad.

Optimize 05 Mar 14 21:16 
Just popped on to have a read and i have to agree with the above poster who makes a very valid point -all a bit of a farce really isnt it .



IMHO 10 LRF a month is to many i'd reduce it to 3,4 or 5 a month max and if someone bags a 9/2 LRF like a few days ago then so be it , as said by others it's only a game , well for some of us it is but for the multi players it's clearly the highlight of their day  . Anyway must go as i've got a dozen naps to sort out

I really don't get this fuss over 'alter egos'. What IS the problem? If I had more than one BF ID and wanted to post for each of the ones I had, so what? There is, perhaps, more of a case to be made for people who post for those who are not members. Technically speaking you could come up with a thousand different names and put up selections for all of them. Wouldn't that make life interesting? This might be worth looking at. But only because it is a potential problem for the settlers, not for anyone else.  I couldn't give a moneys if Santa Claus and all his elves and reindeer wanted to have a go. What would interest me is if any of them were any good.
 
I don't know the reason why most who post for other identities do so, but I do know that shane posts for La Mallatiere. I  occasionally do it when shane's not around - LM emails me so I know he exists. And he lives in France where, apparently, he can't post to Betfair. Is this a problem for you guys? So how to distinguish a Mallatiere from some other poster's 'alter ego' that is simply made up. How would we find out? Question each one until they spill the truth? A BF version of the Spanish Inquisition perhaps? (cue 'No one expects etc ...)

Shane also posts for someone called Nijinsky. That at one time was his dad, not a BF member, but had an interest. His dad stopped doing it, but shane carried on, doing it himself. Is that such a terrible thing? Do you want to tell shane to stop it? Why? What harm is he doing? This is a free, fun comp. Try to get a sense of perspective guys please!

And ... if a selection can be posted for an 'alter ego' then most assuredly a vote can. Otherwise we are practicing a double standard.

HTH

REGED , nice rant 
, that's your opinion we all have our own , and i'm fully aware Shane's connections and his is a more acceptable situation , think it was Knight Commander div 2 settler who wrote a third of players are multiple users and i'll agree to that , personally couldn't give a flying as i'm fortunate in that i'm in the camp of it's just a game and NOT the highlight of my day .

exactly gs ...

Playing the competition with 2, 3 or more alter-egos is borderline OK,
but using them all to influence the vote in this LRF poll is villainous

sorry, can't see it ... strong word villainous

What's all this about it being a " fun thing "     
For some of us it is DEADLY SERIOUS.

only a fish could be that finatic!

grey shark is a disgrace to all fish imo.

why, you think he should be green?

Nice response at 15.03 Reg It doesn't matter if people want to have 2 or 3 attempts at all.
Some people are open about it others are not. I have decided to own up.
I am actually Salmon

always knew there ws sommat fishy about you pete ... I thought it was your hygiene!

Spoke to Shane yesterday he is still in hospital waiting for his op and he asked how is Naps were going and told me to say hello to all the "Bast**** on Betfair LOL"
I don't understand it is taking so long my sister was in and out the same day after her Stent op do you think it could be something to do with the Nurses Uniform?

QUOTE BY reg:
And ... if a selection can be posted for an 'alter ego' then most assuredly a vote can. Otherwise we are practicing a double standard.

Did you help the Labour unions in the Falkirk bi-election? You are asking for a democratic vote - i.e. 1 man 1 vote to get a consensus - this is not what is happening and you are happy with it. Very poor form Reg tbh.

I don't understand it is taking so long my sister was in and out the same day after her Stent op do you think it could be something to do with the Nurses Uniform??

Shane should really stop wearing that in a hospital - it's bound to lead to confusion

ming, how do you suggest I sort out what are the 'genuine' votes?  ... I think linking this to Falkirk is losing a sense of proportion TBH.

Reg I don't think it is your job to sort it out. If people have more than one identity it is up to them to be honest and just have the one vote, if they choose to have 2 or 3 then so be it, we are not voting on the launch of a cruise missile.
Shane set an example when I asked him to vote for himself and Nijinsky he replied he would just vote for the one ID.

Reged , in the process of opening more accounts to give me more chance of winning the Premier prize so sorry if that means more work for your settling
Remind me what is the prize ? A grand ? Racecourse tickets ? £10 M&S voucher ? Betfair baseball cap ?

Reged says "there is NO prize" 

No prize !! Not even a Betfair cap like you wear Reg ? 

Reged says , "NO prize , Sweet F all , diddly squat , zilch , now i'm losing my temper again !!  However the winning individual usually celebrates with himself and all his egos , general back slapping , champagne or they and their egos get together for a circle jerk at the sheer pleasure of winning such a world famous competition "

Ok Reg thanks for your all your valuable advice , but i'd still like a Betfair cap though .

but you get a shiny virtual cup from shane ... what else could you possibly aspire to?

and a virtual fireworks display, lest we forget!

easy solution,no lrf,make sunday compulsory and have 4 days off a month.

If you don't post you shouldn't win.

Where is the sense in having a tipping competition where a napster gets 120 days where they have a horse picked for them (which is what LRF amounts to).

Let's not forget we all get another 50 days a years off for optional Sundays. So we have a Naps table wherein a player only has to pick a horse for roughly 50% of the time.......crazy!

However, no-one can be around to post every day so there should be a fixed number of days per year (with a limit set per month within this) to allow for this.

You score zero on these non-posting days until you exceed your monthly and/or yearly limit then you score -1 for each extra day.

Another LRF today, if it isn't done away with I'm out of here.

I had a very busy day yesterday. No time to look at the horses. So without doing any study whatsoever I simply picked the LRF at Wolverhampton. And it won, albeit at a skinny price.

I could have just posted the unnamed LRF at Wolverhampton. That would have counted as an Instruction.
I could have simply not posted and the Settler would have put me on the LRF at Wolverhampton (had there not been a later race in Ireland)
I could have emailed a Settler or another player and asked them to put me on the named LRF at Wolverhampton.

So what's the difference? That's the point which everyone seems to be missing. Scrapping it makes no difference to anything. Much easier and more transparent to keep things the way they are, and always have been.

Either way, I made no effort. It was one of those days when I was unable to post. That's why we have Instructions. That's why we've always had them. For just such days. And whether we keep them or not, I'll still be on the LRF when I can't post. So what's the point of getting rid of them? Absolutely none! It would be pointless.

Never has the expression "It ain't broke so don't fix it" been more relevant.

I had a very busy day yesterday. No time to look at the horses.


same here but it took me all of 30 secs to post a selection

I really don't get this fuss over 'alter egos'. What IS the problem? If I had more than one BF ID and wanted to post for each of the ones I had, so what?

I don,t have a problem with this either, if someone feels they need to throw 3 or 4 darts that is their decision

same here but it took me all of 30 secs to post a selection

. . . which lost.

I've no idea what point you're trying to make. Enlighten me!

I don't have a problem with this either

Me neither. Makes perfect sense for some people to have several votes while everyone else only gets one! That's not going to skew the results at all is it?

yes it lost MOMM I would rather pick a loser and say I tried than have a LRF, that's just me now I cant have my sunday rest and have to pick a winner to make up for yesterdays loss

Go for the favourite in the last race. It worked for me.

Make it one selection per week then you WILL get a comp

I wish the people who are loading up the threats to f off if it is not changed would just go and do it.

All this hoo haa about the LRF but what about half the tipsters in a certain league where you could predict their naps at least 50% of the time. They should just leave the instructions of shortest price runner of the day.

Cheltenham is the highlight of most peoples year and they choose a 2/5 shot in a race at Towcester . Surely there is as much thought goes in to LRF as there is shortest priced runner of the day.

well said ming

you have a point Fid but it does seem to keep them afloat ... though lacking in much ambition. But then it's up to others to sort that out by taking them on

Email sent Reg. I`d like to move forward with this as soon as possible.

14 winners in Division 3 today.

I napped Dynaste which won at 3/1. Lucky Blue napped Rosa Fleet which won at 10/11.

The other 12 'winners' who never bothered to post (it's Cheltenham week not some wet and windy day in November) got rewarded with a 2/1 LRF winner in Spes Nostra.

Is that really right in your opinion Ming?

It`s an impossible one this, no way can you please everyone.

Looks like we`re going to give the 5 rest days a go, 5 non-posting days per month allowed and settled as a n/r. You can, as we already do, post for others.

Shane, in a division of 37 players, two people actually napped a winner yet 14 people score points. You know it's the correct decision to get rid of the LRF rule. The 5 rest days seems a reasonable compromise though. Glad to see you back mate

Fit and healthy Slippy Not get rid of me that easy. The Mrs has had to put the policies away.

It was a reasonable compromise Slippy, that`s why I sided with it.

You keep hanging in there me old china.

I`ve a strawberry flavoured ecig in my mouth

Bleedin awful I tell ya.

I will Slippy, cheers. Might even venture out tomorrow night to the battle cruiser.

Good to see this likely to come in Shane.....as Slippy says, no-one should be able to increase their total from not posting.

Have you considered my idea of just having those 60 free non-posting days per calendar year in a format where you take them when you want but no more than 10 per month?

It would make it easier for the annual fortnight holidays we tend to take and also for sudden family/computer issues.

If you take too many earlyish in the year end and so use them up too quickly then you have to make extra effort to post later in the year or lose 1 point for every day after your 60 allowance days have all gone.

mads - everything has been considered mate, believe me.

Red Bloom got his nap up as well, that was an oversight on my part.

Oh ok

Looks like we`re going to give the 5 rest days a go

Is this PLUS Sunday rest days as well per month ? If it is fink your going to see a lot at the top and bottom of each division at the end of each month using the right to not post therefore not risking losing another pound .

Sunday will remain optional.

That`s the worry grey.

People seem very disinterested in this subject
So Little passion in their posts ...
So i was going to not post on it
And instead leave it to the Last Post Fav..

Salmon spray -- for the first time ever
I agreed with one of your posts
" this is DEADLY SERIOUS"....
Hahaha...
Too right it is -- it is more than Life and Death
This is ....
Just check above on some of the bridge jumpers posts !!

LRF -- was put in place because some posters were
Not lucky enough to live in the centre of a city with
Constant connection.. Londoners, etc, will fail to appreciate
That places like The Yorkshire Dales have areas where you cannot
Guarantee your connection from one day to the  next..
I lived  their for a decade until last year and believe me I tried and tried
To post some days , over and over ..
So LRF gave me a bit of a chance ..
It also helped people on holiday abroad,etc...
And workers who visited other peoples premises as part
Of their employment and sometimes could get on and sometimes not
Depending on that company visited situation...
I have always said the SP should be topped ..
A maximum of say EVENS would not garher too much
Opposition I would think .. It is soo annoying when a
9/2 fav goes in Last race ..
But an evens Max SP should appease most players
Who NOW know why LRF was put in place ..
It was not for the lazy  RS's .. But genuine competitors
With an intermittent problem !! and helped to make the
Comp fairer.. That was the noble idea.

If restricting number of days -- make it 6
As That is a full weeks holiday--  incl the Sunday
Being a non- posting day .
Makes sense.

scissors , dont't get cut up by it all , it's not worth it

I agree with capping and the obvious figure is evens,which is the perfect offset to a losing nap.

Also make it only 5 LRF's  available per month

VS - Holidays - I went to Benidorm (classy I know) for a few days last year and though I could access the internet and access the Betfair front page, I could not log on. I believe this is done to protect our accounts from international hackers.

That`s what I did in Spain Value.

Fair enough, I'll give it a go next time.

I think people are losing sight of the fact that free days don't penalise anyone whereas LRF can end up advantaging some.
Yes - you could cap it, but surely just having a days grace is the fairest way forward?

And all this stuff about being able to access while on holiday.....get real please.
I go on holiday to spend time with my wife and kids (yes, strange but true! ),relaxing and taking in the wonders of our world .....not to frantically hunt around for Wi-Fi access.

Can you get the internet in Redcar by the sea?

Grey Shark -- you have a point 

Petemac -- not the day i was there --
Explosions, gun fire , shelling,
Anti aircraft guns going off ,
lorries blowing up , ships on fire off the beach ..
French and Belgian soldiers marching past ,
all over the place -- the day i was there mate !!


They were filming ATONEMENT at the time..

Keira sent her love by the way Pete

One Beautiful Lady Scissors, stunning features.
I live 5 miles away from Redcar , I much prefer it's neighbour Saltburn.
By the way Scissors were you one of the Extras?

One Beautiful Lady Scissors, stunning features.
I live 5 miles away from Redcar , I much prefer it's neighbour Saltburn.
By the way Scissors were you one of the Extras?

I found out about it the night before , so too late to
Sign up ..having been acting in the theatre for over 3 decades
And appearing in a few minor talking parts on tv - i would be a cert
To have been taken on -- they paid £50 a day to the extras in Redcar..

One story from the day -
The extras signed a form making them pay for any
Equipment they " lost" or " mislaid"
Helmets, tunics, arms, bayonets, eyc..
Talking to a " Belgian" soldier extra for an hour
In the sunshine --- a whistle blew and he had to rush to assemble ..
Jumping up  fast -- his Belgian helmet flew off and bounced once
Before plummeting into the boating lake !!
In perfect Peter Shilton mode he dived flat on the side and put his upper
Torso in the lake and caught the sinking helmet !!
He was soaked whole upper half of his tunic -- and looked like
A genuine Dunkirk veteran :-) i said he should ask for
More money for his realism effect

The band stand on the Redcar front was turned
Into a sandbagged Anti aircraft gun station

Petemac -- i did get offered a large part in the film though
As a body double for the main guy in the scenes making
Love to Keira ..
But they wouldn't pay me -- so i declined..

PETEMAC -- but I did agree to work
unpaid and appear off camera --
I had to hold Miss Knightley's underwear
While she acted in the naked love scenes.

Petemac ?? Petemac ?? Hello hello ........

My last word on the LRF.

At the moment if you can't post, your "bet" automatically goes onto the last race favourite, as if you had selected it.
If it loses you get -1. If it wins it gets paid as a winner.
What can possible be fairer than that?

It is true that there have been an abnormal number of LRF winners lately, and at unusually high prices too, but thats the same as all forms of gambling. You get winning streaks and losing streaks. It happens.

I still do not see what the problem is. We had a simple, fair system. If anyone can come up with something better then I will take one of my many hats off to them.

This is a free competition administered by people in their own time. Its just a bit of fun.


Oh, and scissors. I assume you "lost" some of that underwear.

Turn that argument around though JRAS...

Currently if I can't pick for whatever reason then I have to have the LRF instead of just having a non-selection. So I am forced into having my nap put up as a horse that I may not have even fancied to win had I been in a position to read up the form. If it wins I am lucky. If it loses I am unlucky. But in neither way is it actually fair. If it is counted as a 'free' non posting day neither of these scenarios occur.

But the bit that annoys me is the very essence of people still being given a horse when they can't be bothered to post.....can't say it's factual but there seems to be a lot more non-posters nowadays than there ever used to be before LRF was introduced.

If anyone can come up with something better then I will take one of my many hats off to them.

We`ve been swayed by popular opinion and now face making a decision which is really a balancing act.

As mentioned before, there is no solution.

Scissors, Miss Knightley wasn't even there, so I heard.
You wanted paying for making love to Keira?
I am worried about you.

May I make a very late suggestion please.
Increase LRF from 10 to unlimited.
I have been against them from the start but had not anticipated the serious amount of "Shi*" this and other threads have came up with during this debate. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay tooooooooooooo serious lads and lasses I am afraid.

Too true Pete.

You asked us to debate it and I have tried to do so in a balanced and 'serious' manner.....i'm so sorry to have bothered if that's the way you feel about it boys.

JRAS -/ i find it a bit tight around the waist

So to accumulate the results from the survey :-
LRF stays
Starting from 1st April =
It is set at half the odds - with evens the maximum capped price.
It exists for 6 days in a month instead of the old 10 ..
Easy for settlers.
-----/
Is everyone now agreed with this fair compromise ??
Signify below please....vv

Agreed

a debate yes.  But it's turned into a mass debate. (a load of wa**)   It feels like it has gone round in a full circle about 20 times over. Our opinions have become same old, same old, boring, boring  (myself included) Yawn, yawn, yawn.
Settlers make a decision ASAP and wipe the ar** of this thread.
It's not my intention to offend anyone who has voiced their opinion but come on, we all must agree there is nothing more to be said on the subject "It HAS ALL BEEN SAID time and time again.