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Champions League Tipster Competition 2013

This is a one-off, Horse Race tipping competition, in the style of the football champions league.

The aim is to get 128 players involved, but we'll see what numbers we get and work from there. If it looks like we'll only get around 64 then I will probably cap it there and we'll start later, missing out the first stage.

If we do get over 64 taking part then the competition will commence 9th September for 15 weeks, ending on 21st December.
If no more than 64 take part then we'll start a week later 16th September, for 12 weeks, ending on 7th December.

Players will be drawn into groups of 4, and each player will play each other once. Each match lasts one week, during which you only make one selection.
For each player that's 3 matches, 3 selections, over 3 weeks per group stage.
Depending on numbers I plan 5 group stages, see the rules section for details.

As it's matchplay, the main thing is to beat your opponents, not who gets the best P/L figures at the end. There is however a bonus point for selecting an Evens and above winner, irrespective of win lose or draw the match, and one more bonus point for best winner in the group. P/L figure may play a part at the end in the case of a tie on pts.

Start is penciled in for Monday 9th September but keep an eye out for a firm date.

If you are interested in joining in, PLEASE I BEG YOU to read the rules thoroughly, and be prepared to take part once a week for 15 weeks between September and Christmas, if good enough of-course! (see holiday cover). There is also a thread where we had a trial run of a group stage, you may wish to have a look through it to get acquainted with how it works although bear in mind we have tweaked the rules a bit since then, basically the same though.

Important - I will only accept selections posted under the player's forum name, i.e no posting for others (exception - see holiday cover section in rules).
I know a few of you post on behalf of friends in other competitions, but due to the matchplay nature of this one I will not accept that here.
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Report Ardross66 August 23, 2013 10:34 PM BST
Yes please
Report undecided August 23, 2013 11:13 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66

Welcome Happy
Report undecided August 23, 2013 11:21 PM BST
This is how one of the groups looked like at the end of our trial run, I'd be happy to explain the bits and bobs if it's not crystal. The only difference now is that china would have had an extra bonus point for getting the best priced winner overall.

Group 2
OvPts OvPL Pts P/L Player Selection Tim/Mt Res SP SP Res Tim/Mt Selection Player P/L Pts OvPL OvPts
3 02.50 china castle The Rectifier 4.0 Red W 5/2 v 5/4 L 9.10 Kemp Inka Surprise GEORGE.B -01.00 0
1 -01.00 salmon spray Grandads Horse 3.30 MR L 3/10 v 11/10 L 7.55 Leop Edith Cowan sixtwosix -01.00 1
3 01.63 china castle Paris Rose 8.40 Newm W 13/8 v 5/4 L 7.15 Newc Prussian salmon spray -01.00 0
1 -01.00 GEORGE.B Look On By 5.30 Muss L 7/2 v 20/1 L 3.15 Newc Brockwell sixtwosix -01.00 1
7 03.13 1 -01.00 china castle Whitefall 8.0 Bath L 3/2 v 9/2 L 3.50 San Mars sixtwosix -01.00 1 -03.00 3
1 -03.00 0 -01.00 GEORGE.B Albasharah 2.55 Hay L 5/4 v 5/4 W 6.10 Str Azure Fly salmon spray 01.25 3 -00.75 4
Report FCH August 23, 2013 11:40 PM BST
Hi UD, put me down please
Report china castle August 24, 2013 12:05 AM BST
I'll give it a go again please ud
Report Stevie Gerrard August 24, 2013 6:41 AM BST
I'll have a go please undecided
Report Andrew in Sweden August 24, 2013 6:55 AM BST
Undecided,count me in please
Report pedro39 August 24, 2013 7:05 AM BST
yes please
Report pauli August 24, 2013 9:05 AM BST
I'll have a go ud.  Cheers.
Report hong kong fooey August 24, 2013 9:36 AM BST
Put my name down, UD
Report Kentish Man August 24, 2013 9:40 AM BST
Yes please UD and thank you.
Report Shanelee1966 August 24, 2013 10:26 AM BST
la mallatiere would like to join, he`ll email me his selections.

Obviously I`m in too Laugh
Report Ming_the_Merciless August 24, 2013 10:35 AM BST
I'll have a bash, cheers UD
Report undecided August 24, 2013 11:06 AM BST
feastorfamine
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ok undecided you have tempted me - add me
Report Shanelee1966 August 24, 2013 11:14 AM BST
ud - just seen no posting for others, rules out la mallatiere.
Report undecided August 24, 2013 11:22 AM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine

*Already bending a rule - I stipulated no posts on behalf of others unless due to holiday cover. However as these are known long standing forumites, I'm happy to make an exception Happy
Report undecided August 24, 2013 11:25 AM BST
Aah shane, I was editing my last post and didn't see yours, I'll stand by my last comment, if la mallatiere wishes to play it's fine, I'll just keep you apart Happy
Report Shanelee1966 August 24, 2013 11:26 AM BST
Nice one ud. I`ll email him the good news Grin

He moved to France a couple of years ago and can`t post over there, he can view though.
Report salmon spray August 24, 2013 12:02 PM BST
What about some others who are known to have more than one forum name ?          Mischief
Report s.kenbo August 24, 2013 12:21 PM BST
Count me in please Cool
Report Sing when ur winning August 24, 2013 1:38 PM BST
I'll be in
Report undecided August 24, 2013 1:39 PM BST
I would hope multiple forum name users will respectfully only enter once, I know one or two, if someone else sees that the same person has entered twice then please bring it to my attention either here or PM.
Report Cloughie1 August 24, 2013 1:45 PM BST
count me in pleace Undecided
Report dogdayafternoon August 24, 2013 1:45 PM BST
I'm in
Report Cloughie1 August 24, 2013 1:47 PM BST
please even BlushGrin
Report SkyAtlantic August 24, 2013 2:33 PM BST
I will give it a try Undecided thanks
Report pumphol. August 24, 2013 2:51 PM BST
I'll have a go Undecided if you don't mind
Report john.t August 24, 2013 4:06 PM BST
count me in undecided
Report shearer2therestcue August 24, 2013 5:42 PM BST
Me too mate
Report DeSSieReborn August 24, 2013 5:52 PM BST
in
Report deadbrain59 August 24, 2013 10:37 PM BST
count me in udecided.good stuff.GrinGrin
Report undecided August 24, 2013 11:31 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine
23    s.kenbo
24    Sing when ur winning
25    Cloughie1
26    dogdayafternoon
27    SkyAtlantic
28    pumphol.
29    john.t
30    shearer2therestcue
31    DeSSieReborn
32    deadbrain59

welcome all Happy
Report the dealer August 25, 2013 6:59 AM BST
i'll give it a go Undeciced Happy
Report MALTWHIX August 25, 2013 11:15 AM BST
yes Pleas UD
Report Ricky Santini August 25, 2013 11:57 AM BST
Sounds good fun, count me in undecided
Report zipper August 25, 2013 6:11 PM BST
I will have a bash ..sounds fun ..funs good
Report dunter1 August 25, 2013 7:30 PM BST
Cool IN
Report adamanty August 26, 2013 12:34 AM BST
You certainly enjoy hard work UD.
Count me in.
Report raspberrybottom August 26, 2013 1:51 AM BST
Count me in, please undecided.
Report Dan Chipowski August 26, 2013 5:58 AM BST
Cool In.
Report DubaiPrince August 26, 2013 1:03 PM BST
Count me in please Undecided -thanks
Report undecided August 26, 2013 4:44 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine
23    s.kenbo
24    Sing when ur winning
25    Cloughie1
26    dogdayafternoon
27    SkyAtlantic
28    pumphol.
29    john.t
30    shearer2therestcue
31    DeSSieReborn
32    deadbrain59
33    the dealer
34    MALTWHIX
35    Ricky Santini
36    zipper
37    dunter1
38    adamanty
39    raspberrybottom
40    Dan Chipowski
41    DubaiPrince

Thanks, great response thus far Happy
Report Aquarius August 26, 2013 7:22 PM BST
I don't see why I should not enter, so count me in please.
Report stewpot August 26, 2013 7:44 PM BST
Count me in please Undecided
Im confident I should last at least 3 weeks
Mischief
Report undecided August 29, 2013 4:35 PM BST
43 in so far, plenty of time left to enter.
Report lagmorian August 29, 2013 4:45 PM BST
I'll join as well please undecided
Report DFCIRONMAN August 29, 2013 9:13 PM BST
Count me in please UDCool
Report Moose August 29, 2013 9:22 PM BST
Count me inHappy
Report CASanMartin August 31, 2013 10:27 AM BST
I'll join please UD
Report k sera sera September 1, 2013 10:57 PM BST
Put me down as well please UD
Report undecided September 2, 2013 12:05 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine
23    s.kenbo
24    Sing when ur winning
25    Cloughie1
26    dogdayafternoon
27    SkyAtlantic
28    pumphol.
29    john.t
30    shearer2therestcue
31    DeSSieReborn
32    deadbrain59
33    the dealer
34    MALTWHIX
35    Ricky Santini
36    zipper
37    dunter1
38    adamanty
39    raspberrybottom
40    Dan Chipowski
41    DubaiPrince
42    Aquarius
43    stewpot
44    lagmorian
45    DFCIRONMAN
46    Moose
47    CASanMartin
48    k sera sera
Report undecided September 2, 2013 12:11 PM BST
I can't see us making 128 entries, by the start date next Monday. Maybe if I was to recruit on HR and or Ante-post, but as it happens I'd say 64 is enough.
It means I can push the start date back to the 16th which suits me as I'm going to be busy next week.

So unless we get a sudden influx, I think I'll be capping numbers at 64.
Report pauli September 2, 2013 12:13 PM BST
Might be worth posting a message on KC's lay-a-day thread ud.
Report Shanelee1966 September 2, 2013 5:04 PM BST
64 looks the more likely ud. At present 128 looks impossible.
Report themuppet September 2, 2013 6:25 PM BST
in please
Report alleged22 September 3, 2013 9:53 AM BST
count me in ud
Report uptheboro September 4, 2013 8:39 AM BST
Okay i will give it a go too Undecided

CheersHappy
Report undecided September 4, 2013 1:43 PM BST
I will cap number of entries at 64.

There are currently 51 players signed up, so 13 places left.

The competition will now start on Monday 16th September, concluding on Saturday 7th December.
Report buffythebookieslayer September 5, 2013 8:19 AM BST
Could you put my name down too Undecided

Thanks
Report undecided September 5, 2013 3:10 PM BST
Hi buffy, welcome, [b[12[/b] places left.
Report differentdrum September 5, 2013 4:06 PM BST
Like to enter if possible?

Thanks
Report undecided September 5, 2013 4:27 PM BST
sure, welcome, 11 places remaining.
Report angeleyz September 5, 2013 10:28 PM BST
count me in too please undecided

ty
Report undecided September 6, 2013 1:18 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine
23    s.kenbo
24    Sing when ur winning
25    Cloughie1
26    dogdayafternoon
27    SkyAtlantic
28    pumphol.
29    john.t
30    shearer2therestcue
31    DeSSieReborn
32    deadbrain59
33    the dealer
34    MALTWHIX
35    Ricky Santini
36    zipper
37    dunter1
38    adamanty
39    raspberrybottom
40    Dan Chipowski
41    DubaiPrince
42    Aquarius
43    stewpot
44    lagmorian
45    DFCIRONMAN
46    Moose
47    CASanMartin
48    k sera sera
49    themuppet
50    alleged22
51    uptheboro
52    buffythebookieslayer
53    differentdrum
54    angeleyz
55   
56   
57   
58   
59   
60   
61   
62   
63   
64
Report Stevie Gerrard September 6, 2013 4:38 PM BST
what time is the draw undecided and are you using a random number generator?
Report Stevie Gerrard September 6, 2013 4:44 PM BST
or you could do some kind of seeding based on the yearly naps table.
Report undecided September 6, 2013 6:07 PM BST
The draw will be next weekend, perhaps Friday evening, I'm busy that Saturday so if not Friday then Sunday.

My plan for the draw is this:
I will draw up a list of numbers corresponding to group number and position in group (decides who plays who first) as follows - 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 3.1.....
I will randomize this list in excel.

I will ask a volunteer to copy the player list and randomize it also.

We will then post these random sorted lists on here at an agreed exact time.

The first player on the random player list will slot into the corresponding first group and position number from my random list.

I don't intend to seed players.
Report Tingle Creek September 6, 2013 11:01 PM BST
Count me in UD.

Cheers.
Report sonofshinner September 7, 2013 7:19 AM BST
count me in und.  cheers.
Report razmos September 7, 2013 7:50 AM BST
stick hi 5's an myself in please.
Report razmos September 7, 2013 7:51 AM BST
*and
Report SilverBuck1 September 7, 2013 12:35 PM BST
yes please
Report undecided September 7, 2013 1:00 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine
23    s.kenbo
24    Sing when ur winning
25    Cloughie1
26    dogdayafternoon
27    SkyAtlantic
28    pumphol.
29    john.t
30    shearer2therestcue
31    DeSSieReborn
32    deadbrain59
33    the dealer
34    MALTWHIX
35    Ricky Santini
36    zipper
37    dunter1
38    adamanty
39    raspberrybottom
40    Dan Chipowski
41    DubaiPrince
42    Aquarius
43    stewpot
44    lagmorian
45    DFCIRONMAN
46    Moose
47    CASanMartin
48    k sera sera
49    themuppet
50    alleged22
51    uptheboro
52    buffythebookieslayer
53    differentdrum
54    angeleyz
55    Tingle Creek
56    sonofshinner
57    razmos
58    hi 5's
59    SilverBuck1
60   
61   
62   
63   
64
Report duffy September 7, 2013 1:43 PM BST
Yes pleaseHappy
Report duffy September 7, 2013 1:59 PM BST
Is it a disadvantage to post first in your match, if it loses the other guy sticks in a long odds on shot later in the weekShockedGrin
Report undecided September 7, 2013 2:08 PM BST
It would appear so duffy, but in the trial run few of us for whatever reason actually played the waiting game.
The advantage of looking during the week, at leisure, being able to see the market right up to the off, not the mention being able to exert pressure with a decent winner can even things out.
Report duffy September 7, 2013 2:36 PM BST
Do you think the saturday selecting will greatly outweigh the earlier in the week, because I'll probably wait for saturdays with it being the best day and all usually, but wouldn't want to look like I'm waiting for the other guy to go firstLaugh
Report pauli September 7, 2013 3:26 PM BST
I've been thinking about this situation myself.  I will have to overcome my urge to post as soon as I see one I fancy.  It's not about LSP it's about beating you're opponent.  I will need to adopt a totally different mindset for this competition.
Report pauli September 7, 2013 3:31 PM BST
^your.
Report Shanelee1966 September 7, 2013 3:43 PM BST
Almost there ud, should get five more.
Report petemac September 7, 2013 3:50 PM BST
Undecided, sorry mate I never took much notice as I thought it was a football comp.

Yes go on then count me in (it would be nice to get drawn in the same group as Salmon)
Report salmon spray September 8, 2013 1:09 PM BST
That would help put you out of your misery quickly pete.
Report Lampus September 8, 2013 1:26 PM BST
Count me in please

Thank youHappy
Report undecided September 8, 2013 2:40 PM BST
1    undecided
2    bettysboy
3    dukeofpuke
4    shanelee1966
5    twm.
6    salmon spray
7    unluckyStu
8    GEORGE.B
9    madhatters
10    sixtwosix
11    Ardross66
12    FCH
13    china castle
14    Stevie Gerrard
15    Andrew In Sweden
16    pedro39
17    pauli
18    hong kong fooey
19    Kentish Man
20    la mallatiere* - emailing to shanelee1966
21    Ming_the_Merciless
22    feastforfamine
23    s.kenbo
24    Sing when ur winning
25    Cloughie1
26    dogdayafternoon
27    SkyAtlantic
28    pumphol.
29    john.t
30    shearer2therestcue
31    DeSSieReborn
32    deadbrain59
33    the dealer
34    MALTWHIX
35    Ricky Santini
36    zipper
37    dunter1
38    adamanty
39    raspberrybottom
40    Dan Chipowski
41    DubaiPrince
42    Aquarius
43    stewpot
44    lagmorian
45    DFCIRONMAN
46    Moose
47    CASanMartin
48    k sera sera
49    themuppet
50    alleged22
51    uptheboro
52    buffythebookieslayer
53    differentdrum
54    angeleyz
55    Tingle Creek
56    sonofshinner
57    razmos
58    hi 5's
59    SilverBuck1
60    duffy
61    petemac
62    Lampus
63   
64
Report bettysboy September 8, 2013 3:25 PM BST
cracking effort ud
Report AyersRock September 8, 2013 3:59 PM BST
hi can i join ?
Report undecided September 8, 2013 4:16 PM BST
Yes, welcome!

One more and we're ready to go.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet September 8, 2013 4:43 PM BST
In if not too late, please.
Report petemac September 8, 2013 5:10 PM BST
Hi Salmon, nice to have you back hope you enjoyed your holiday.
Report undecided September 8, 2013 5:29 PM BST
welcome Mikael.

Ok we have a full compliment, thanks everyone.
Next up is the draw for the first group stages, probably this Friday evening, I'll do a separate draw thread later.
Report DeSSieReborn September 10, 2013 10:16 AM BST
If its gonna be as complex as the CL draw please do it in private Laugh
Report DeSSieReborn September 10, 2013 10:21 AM BST
Dare I suggest 1-4, 5-8, 9-12 etc etc?
Report DeSSieReborn September 10, 2013 10:24 AM BST
PS whats that No 20....thought no proxy selections?
Report DeSSieReborn September 10, 2013 10:26 AM BST
I ask this because I think Stewpot is away in October and he could EMail me his selections whilst away?
Report undecided September 10, 2013 4:54 PM BST
Hi DeSSie, hope you are well.

Regards la mallatiere & shane, I'm making an exception as they are trusted long standing forumites, and I will be seeding them to keep them apart.

I've allowed for holidays in the rules, players will be able to nominate someone to post on their behalf as long as it's pre-arranged and ok'd by me.

I've outlined my plans for the draw a few posts back, I will do a draw thread today explaining how it will work.
Report DeSSieReborn September 10, 2013 6:06 PM BST
Fine thanks UD Wink

Hopefully Stewpot will sort it with you idc Wink

Now I need to find the post re the draw plans!
Report DeSSieReborn September 10, 2013 6:09 PM BST
Ok seen it Wink
Report Fastbearform September 11, 2013 5:12 PM BST
I've only just seen this......Sad
Report DeSSieReborn September 12, 2013 7:01 PM BST
Maybe you should change your forum name to slowbearform?
Report Shanelee1966 September 12, 2013 7:03 PM BST
Do bears hibernate?
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