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DIVISION 2 SELECTIONS for THURSDAY
DIVISION 2 SELECTIONS for THURSDAY
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What's this changing your selection lark ?
I was unaware this was allowed. Seems wrong to me. |
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I'm almost sure that's what it says in the Rules (which I posted on September 1st as a reminder for everyone).
But I'm not infallible. I'll check! |
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3. - Selections must be made AT LEAST 1 hour before your selected race. Failure to comply will result in the selection being declared Invalid and treated as a Non Selection.
4. - Selections may be changed as long as it is BEFORE 1hr prior to original race OR if selection is a NR or deemed invalid ( Rule 3 MUST still be adhered to). |
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I must admit I can't think of any valid reason why anyone shouldn't be allowed to change their selection, except possibly on the final day.
I think you could make a strong case for that because someone else may have wanted to go for a selection which is later rejected by someone else. But on any other day I can't see that it gives anyone an advantage. What are your thoughts? Why does it seem wrong to you? What have I missed? |
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Mishrif - 9.10 Kempton
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What if say 2 or 3 days to go and two people are neck and neck for 5th place well in front of the remainder.
Forumite A tips a 3/1 shot in the 1.30 Forumite B tips a 5/1 shot in the 3.00. Forumite A's horse gets beat. Forumite B who is 20p behind thinks hello ,hello and changes his selection to the 1/2 good thing in the 4.30. Alternatively Forumite A's horse wins and Forumite B who is 20p in front changes his selection to the same horse. Still think it's a good rule ? |
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Sorry meant to say changes to horse likely to start at same price.
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Mr Bolt that is why I asked before racing began today but I can see where you are coming from however as an example of why I was asking
Forumite A was on + 10.00 and put up his selection first Then Forumite B who was on + 10.50 copies Forumite A's selection What chance would Forumite A have of overtaking Forumite B?? Mathmatics I'm afraid (esp the last few days of any month) and whilst I was out this afternoon I got a call to say "Yes" you can change if done within the time/rules etc. However a further call later said someone was saying it seemed wrong! Because of this I decided to leave things as they were on this occasion. Your example I understand however I assumed that if the change was made BEFORE the first race or indeed as your example shows BEFOREthe obvious "Other" forumite's (Mathmatics again) selection ran then I could'nt see any problem? Can you see my side of the coin also as they say? Good luck and thanks to you and MOMM for your response's |
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A good rule? Now you're putting words into my mouth.
 What I basically said was I couldn't see anything wrong with it. There's a difference. To be honest I'm fairly ambibalent about it and I'll tell you why. I've considered the scenario you described above before (I'm sure most of us have) and there's really no way round it other than 'sealed' selections sent by email. This is because in that scenario, if there was a 'No Change' Rule then there's nothing to stop either player waiting to see what their rival selects (and waiting for the outcome) before posting their own selection. I suppose if both players were really determined not to give their rival that advantage then you'd have the rather ludicrous situation of both of them waiting until 5 seconds before one hour before the last race of the day before posting. (and hope the forum clock agrees with their computer's clock!) I appreciate that a lot of people don't have access to a computer every hour of the day and have no choice but to post their selections well in advance, which is why the only way to stop the scenario you described is by selections being emailed to the settler rather than posted on the forum. Which of course is equally ludicrous. So with or without the Rule, what you described can still easily happen. It makes no difference whether they post and then change, or just simply wait for the outcome of their rival's selection. Either way they still gain an advantage. On balance, I think that there's no good reason not to allow selection changes. There are many legitimate reasons other than trying to gain an advantage why someone might want to change their selection, so not to allow it would be somewhat draconian in my opinion. There's also the point that the vast majority of us all play this competition in the correct spirit and wouldn't be so devious as to try and gain that advantage (although I've no doubt it happens from time to time). Perhaps I should add that this competition is nothing to do with me; I'm just a player and a temporary Div2 settler. So these are just my personal observations. If you or anyone else feels strongly that any Rule needs amending then you need to speak to whoever's in charge. That's not me, and it never will be.  |
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I suppose if both players were really determined not to give their rival that advantage then you'd have the rather ludicrous situation of both of them waiting until 5 seconds before one hour before the last race of the day before posting. (and hope the forum clock agrees with their computer's clock!)
 I've actually thought of that in the past when a close rival was delaying his selection. |
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momm - as you said earler, without people participating in the correct spirit, there would be no comp. I`ve considered many situations and been involed in a couple and feel the rules in place are sufficient.
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Thank you for your responses. I'll leave it at that.
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