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james from the north
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shirley bassey
frank sinatra
barbara streisand
neil diamond
susan boyle

do these dance around ?
did they sell records ?
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Report squares December 4, 2010 9:14 PM GMT
they have to find something bad to say ?
Report donal December 4, 2010 9:23 PM GMT
Susan Boyle is **** and the rest of them are oldies.

If you want to make it big nowadays with youngsters you have to MOVE!!!!!!
Report strikeitrich2 December 4, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
she needs to move something atleast in a ROCK or DANCE tune

cant stand like a statue

blink,  move your pinky finger, breath,

SOMETHING!
Report strikeitrich2 December 4, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
will also help if you get on stage naked
Report TheMadness December 4, 2010 9:36 PM GMT
Sign of the times. The choreographers and stage producers have taken over the music industry.
Report five leaves left December 4, 2010 9:44 PM GMT
wot TM says
Report Crisp77 December 4, 2010 9:45 PM GMT
If she moves, she might get pregnant again.
Report BarnabySpears December 5, 2010 7:32 AM GMT
I wonder if she moves when she is being humped.
Report stringerbell December 5, 2010 7:54 AM GMT
i think perhaps its not that she doesnt move, its that she looks as if she has just been looked at by the medusa
Report topgun123 December 5, 2010 8:06 AM GMT
just listened to all judges comments on songs;and its crystal clear to all sane people that they all agree rebecca is the best
Report bunnyman December 5, 2010 11:08 AM GMT
A few weeks ago I would have agreed, but when you compare Rebecca's version of Satisfaction with that of Aretha's the lack of expression and movement means she can't sell the song as well as Aretha does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eto2urJTKno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ALYZiCI7WQ

It was bizarre how Louis was congratulating her for her dancing last night when she didn't dance at all.  Standing static when everyone around you are dancing their heads off may have worked for Terry Hall, but it doesn't work on XF.
Report stringerbell December 5, 2010 11:20 AM GMT
terry hall Laugh
Report TheMadness December 5, 2010 11:26 AM GMT
That's true Bunny, but Aretha was rather good you know...
Report squares December 5, 2010 11:29 AM GMT
I saw The Specials quite a lot nearly 30 years ago.  Must admit, Terry Hall was a surprisingly charismatic performer.

I remember a fight breaking out in the audience once.  He stopped singing and started speaking to/at them, totally owned them and made them look like right d!ckheads.  Think they slunk out tail between legs style.
Report five leaves left December 5, 2010 11:49 AM GMT
bunny - no one is denying that she has more to learn when it comes to  performance and I'm sure that will come with more confidence.
But she's never going to be an Alexandra burke or Cher and do big dance routines or stare down the camera looking sincere, lip trembling as she belts out the big note. That's not her (thank God)
As she says herself she's a restrained, understated singer and doesn't want to be anything else.
Whether that is enough is debateable. I believe it is.
She was top on my 'to win' stats last night and if she reprieves MYFML in the final with plenty of Cowell pimpage she can topple Matt.

I'm sure however she does there will be the usual clowns on here (not you btw :) )  moaning about the lack of dancing.
No doubt they're the same people who obsessed about Vickers' 'Claw' and Lena's funny accent and naff dancing.
Report squares December 5, 2010 11:55 AM GMT
very disappointing she did so poorly in this country.
Report five leaves left December 5, 2010 11:59 AM GMT
That's the one zoom :)

..and yep she deserved to do better over here, but with our sniffy attitude towards Eurovision, she was always likely to struggle.
Report TheMadness December 5, 2010 2:23 PM GMT
Ther little Nazi girl that shut up her critics by singing an Andrew Lloyd webber song. That's some confidence.
Report stringerbell December 5, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
its interesting fll, i dont think rebecca needs to be able to dance, but i think her inanimacy (is that the right word) is actually a little off putting, it makes her look uncomfortable and therefore slightly unsettles the audience. i dont think she needs to do much at all, but i do think she needs to do more...
Report MBD23 December 5, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
she gives nothing, do not feel i know the girl at all, and she comes across as smug to me when she is singing and also when the judges giving their comments
Report RowbeesFouler December 5, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
She is class and will win
Report MBD23 December 5, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
that same performance same image scraped back hair pineapple look every single week -cant bear it
Report topgun123 December 5, 2010 4:53 PM GMT
she is class apart from the rest;FACT
Report BarnabySpears December 5, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
Yeah, she is scouse class and the rest are economy class.
Report five leaves left December 5, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
Nick, I agree she'd be even better if she was more animated in her uptempo performances, but for me her voice is so good that many ofthose who criticise just sound petty to me.
It's rather like watching Rooney score a hattrick and then complaining about his lack of defending...or maybe Fergie should stick him in goal next week to show his versatility.

The vocal on her 1st song was majestic. As it was on MYFML and Wicked Game.
Everytime I watch those 2 performances in particular I'm just stunned at how good she is.

A repeat in the final and she'll trounce 1D and will give Matt a good run for his money.
Report stringerbell December 5, 2010 5:21 PM GMT
hmm, ok mate, i like your confidence but i must be honest i dont share it. i think if she all of a sudden shimmied a bit, showed a bit of style in her movement it really could make all the difference. just my view...

it's different from rooney analogy because her not moving to me detracts ever so slightly from her overall attractiveness. rooney scores three and he has done his job
Report five leaves left December 5, 2010 5:58 PM GMT
I'm not sure we're that far apart nick.
We both agree she'd be even better if she was more confident and relaxed on stage and therefore able to show more personality.
The argument is how much that detracts from her performance and in turn her chance of winning.
Report Cider December 5, 2010 6:55 PM GMT
Discussions ought to be in context of the xf.

I've always held the view that Rebecca's style is too subtle to win over the majority of the final vote. She still hasn't done anything on the show to make me change this opinion. The excessive ramping from the judging panel is drawing viewers' attention towards her but is also suggesting that she's not polled that great to date.

The 'not moving' thing basically means that her performances lack energy. It was a subtle variation on a dance floor classic which had quality but failed to ignite. There will be many people that thoroughly enjoyed it, I'm sure.
Report Dylan1975 December 5, 2010 7:13 PM GMT
maybe if the judges weren't trying to tell everyone how well she moved etc... then it wouldn't be focussed on. But listen to the comments after last night and you'd think she'd done a full on dance routine. She clearly has the best most original voice and i agree to be the type of singer she is she doesn't need to have full on dance routines etc.. but don't try and pretend she is when she clearly isn't.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 5, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
Whilst 'The Singing candle's' a decent singer you'd think she must surely move a little bit!  You've got to perform the song and specially for a girl it's very unusual to not see them dance/sway to the music.  I honestly think she just can't dance so over the years when she's been out with her girlie mates for a night out whilst they dance she must just stand at the bar or something.  About a dozen songs now and she's barely moved an inch.  Very unusual you can't deny that.
Report layprofessional December 6, 2010 7:15 AM GMT
doubters of rebecca keep convincing urself;u fools
Report scarecrow December 6, 2010 9:50 AM GMT
the simple fact is that she will probably end up doing best out of all of them,her style looks made to do well in the states a much bigger pond than the uk.whether she wins this or not does not realy matter in the scheme of things.
Report scarecrow December 6, 2010 9:53 AM GMT
and the reason people are fixated with her price not moving,well this is a betting site maybe they hope to trade out b4 the final?
Report five leaves left December 7, 2010 5:12 PM GMT
.
http://xfactor.itv.com/2010/access-all-areas/viewer/watch_why-i-stand-still_item_201663.htm
Report A1 Bionic December 7, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
Are you on the beta forum fll ?
Report five leaves left December 7, 2010 5:26 PM GMT
Not unless I have to be.
Report A1 Bionic December 7, 2010 5:31 PM GMT
lol, I dont blame you

sent you a link on there but dont know if it works anyway

have a look at this site, interesting bit of twitter stuff

ttp://brandaura.blogspot.com/
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 7, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
"The Singing Candle" 

It's called 'performance' James from the North.  Being able to 'sell' the song.  Stiff as a poker and boring with the same old song week after week is why she's known to not move and apart from the very first week hasn't in about 10 attempts.  When she actually said three weeks ago "I was out of my comfort zone having to walk to the front of the satge"  Well!

Say it with me James ...........







hmmmmmmmmm!
Report Denman The Destroyer December 7, 2010 5:39 PM GMT
Didnt you watch the video Lou,she is actually super glued to the stage.
Report five leaves left December 7, 2010 5:43 PM GMT
Cheers A1.

Interesting stuff, though i'm not convinced the tools people use to measure sentiment on twitter actually work.
I prefer to do it manually.

Lou- how many times are you going to say the same thing?
I might have to go on the beta forum and find the block function:)
Report pmbets December 7, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
Lou is officially the most boring person on the x factor forum.He must be bordering on skint and desparate for the cash but upset that Rebecca
is improving so fast.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 7, 2010 6:05 PM GMT
Denman

What video?
Report stroodle December 7, 2010 6:07 PM GMT
Lou if you look at her last video on the x factor home site, you will see her letting you know why she doesnt move.
Report BarnabySpears December 7, 2010 6:22 PM GMT
She's probably got piles and an itchy ar*se.

Better to stand still when you're like that.
Report Ashley_Young December 7, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
lol@ that video...what a voice !! LoveLoveLove
Report five leaves left December 7, 2010 6:43 PM GMT
Yes, apart from being very charming, it shows just how good her voice is.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 7, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
She obviously knows everyone's asking why she doesn't move though.  Bit embarrasing for her isn't it.
Report BarnabySpears December 7, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
Bit embarrasing for her isn't it.

Not if she uses Anusol.
Report George Bailey December 7, 2010 9:56 PM GMT
Women who can take the p*ss out of themselves are few and far between. Another reason to like her.  Can't imagine Cher doing something similar. Or Matt (I'm a serious artist) Cardle.
Report BarnabySpears December 7, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
She's a scouser.

She hasn't got a clue, let alone any cl;ass.
Report George Bailey December 7, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
That'll be a bit like Stacey then [;)]
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 8, 2010 12:07 AM GMT
George

Serously now all ribbing aside why do you think she doesn't move.  It is very strange isn't it specially for a girl.  I commented on another thread that say she went to a nightclub with her girlie mates I honestly think she must just stand to the side as I'm sure she just can't dance or else she would surely?  Very unusual.  What do you think George?
Report George Bailey December 8, 2010 12:12 AM GMT
Lou, Matt himself said he doesn't like to move but nobody picked up on that. He was like a fish out of water in his vest witht he dancing girls. He likes to SIT (Laugh) and play his guitar.

Rebecca is a good old fashioned torch/blues singer. Old fashioned enough to be modern. She don't need to move foro me just use her hands/arms/eyes more.

Be disaster if she is forced to jig around in finals week.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 8, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
George

But at least Matt has moved, moved around, played with the mic', did do a couple of songs interacting with the girls.  All not a great deal but he has.  Why do you think she doesn't move?  Do you think my thoughts about her going out with her mates for a night and not dancing are possibly true?  I just can't see how she would join in with the girls and have a dance.

With me once that second babycham kicks in I'm there on the floor!
Report George Bailey December 8, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
She's shy and self conscious and still lacking in confidence and that makes her diffident re her performance.  I just wish I was her mentor/singing coach/motivator and she'd piss this.

her shyness etc also gain her votes from women so not all bad news.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 8, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
George

Do you think my thoughts about her going out with her mates for a night and not dancing are possibly true?  I just can't see how she would join in with the girls and have a dance.?
Report George Bailey December 8, 2010 12:43 AM GMT
Yes I agree Lou tho she may be life and soul after a couple of drinks. Even as a wall flower she would be the one hit on by the guys; though most would think she was out of their league..which she probably is.

I think a lot of people will vote for her because they they will applaud themselves for recognising how classy she is.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 8, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
Ok George
Report BarnabySpears December 8, 2010 8:25 AM GMT
Why do people think she is classy ?

She is a single mother from Liverpool.

What is classy about that ?
Report Dizzy42 December 8, 2010 9:17 AM GMT
The video is hilarious - good on her for having a sense of humour.  This won't do her chances of winning any harm at all...

Lou does make some very good points though.  As Nick says, it's her awkwardness on stage as much as anything else that makes the audience feel uncomfortable.

PERFORMING a song is just an essential part of the business.  You don't have to dance around like crazy, but you DO have to show emotion, passion and communicate with the audience.  The list that the OP gave included examples of just how you can perform a song without moving much.  Aretha is a class case in point.

It's not just the standing still - it's the expressionless look on Rebecca's face all of the time.  Statuesque she may be - but she always reminds me of a rabbit in the headlights.

What surprises me most is that they've obviously not been able to bring out her confidence in 10 weeks of live shows.  With all of the so called experts on hand, you'd have thought this was an area they really would have worked on.
Report topgun123 December 8, 2010 9:44 AM GMT
barnaby biggest forum t i t ever
Report BarnabySpears December 8, 2010 10:13 AM GMT
Morning Toppo ..  did you sha*g your old Dad last night then ?
Report BarnabySpears December 8, 2010 10:14 AM GMT
Liverpool and all those who rot in her, aint class Toppo.
Report topgun123 December 8, 2010 10:21 AM GMT
barnaby ill give u advice;im an insider on the show and have known from very early rebecca is sc chosen one;HOPE THIS HELPS
Report topgun123 December 8, 2010 10:22 AM GMT
im gutted for u if ur giro is in my back pocket lol
Report BarnabySpears December 8, 2010 10:41 AM GMT
Toppo, what does Simon's sh1t taste like ?
Report topgun123 December 8, 2010 10:43 AM GMT
look barnaby i learnt along time ago be urself but at same time do most he asks me to do;thats why im still there after so long
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