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seeing as there's no sign of HF yet.


1. Wagner - Creep.  Suited him, his best.  A bit of faint praise from the judges and a bit of an altercation.  Also had the slot to himself before the ads.  Going first isn't the total graveyard slot people believe it to be, although might be worse with the 2-song format.

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2. OD - Summer of 69. More of the same.  The fans who like them no matter what will be happy enough but they're not going to be gaining fresh support.  SCowell "happy" to give then one of the traditionally worst slots and before Mary.

3.  Mary - All I Want Is You.  Was expecting her to be dreadful with the two song choices, but this was miles better than I anticipated.

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4. Cher - Girlfriend.  This was so bad I can barely remember it.  She looks ridiculous.  When you look back to her audition and see what they have turned her into, it's bordering on tragic.  The comments were so bizarre, I think the judges must have been talking about someone else.

5.  Rebecca - I Still Haven't Found What I've Been Looking For.  The Chimes' version of this is one of the few covers I actually like so it was good for me, but she's not going to be gaining new fans with these performances.  She's becoming too niche in a bit of a Vickers/Aiden way now.  Some interesting comments by SCowell in the run up to her performance - high praise about her vocal ability but it felt like there was a "but" missing at the end of what he was saying.

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6.  Matt - I Love Rock N Roll.  I thought this was a horrible cliched karaoke performance (it's that sort of a song) and he looked uncomfortable and embarrassed to be there.  Had it been a one-song show, he wouldn't have done himself any favours with that.

7.  Katie - Sex on Fire.  The performance was a lot worse than I was expecting.  Fed up with hearing the judges big her up and bang on about the hard time she is having.  Going last of the first seven a sort of a p1mp slot for her - again.

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8. Wagner - Addicted to Love.  This was a lot more "subdued" an arrangement/performance than it could have been, almost forgettable.

9.  OD - You Are So Beautiful.  Same comments as their first performance really, although I think this was a lot better song for them vocally.

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10.  Mary - Brass In Pocket.  Truly dreadful, as I was expecting.  It was always going to be a difficult song for her to sing without sounding totally karaoke.  It's a cool song and Chrissie Hynde sounds and looks effortlessly cool - Mary most certainly does not.  Very strange/telling that this was her second song.  Most of the others seemed to have their better song second.

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11.  Rebecca - I Can't Get No (Satisfaction).  Similar comments to her previous performance.  I think she could have given it a lot more "welly".

12.  Katie - Everybody Hurts.  A better vocal than the first.  Not much else to say.

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13.  Matt - Nights In White Satin.  This was almost a game, set and match performance, and he needed it after the first one.  I'm sure he will have the lion's share of the votes, a true indication that these shows are decided by "the Iceland mums".  Can't see the tweens being familiar with that song.

14.  Cher - Walk This Way.  Very strange that they mixed up the performance order.  I'm not aware that they have ever done this before, and a girl has now closed 6 out of 8 shows yet only opened it once.  Similar comments to her previous performance really, and the less she speaks the better imo.

Who goes?

Very difficult this week.  Much prefer it when there is a single elimination with the bottom two.  Had a good series of predictions and getting decent odds, esp Aiden and Cher.

With Matt looking likely to have a large portion of the vote, it's a bit of a scrap for the others.  Cher and Wagner probably enough support to keep them from bottom.  Maybe Katie's support to keep her out of the bottom last week is short lived like Rachel last year.

If I had to call it.  Katie first out.

Mary and Cher sing off.  Mary sings better than Cher.
Louise and Dannii send Cher home.
Cheryl and SCowell send Mary home.
Deadlock - Mary goes.
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Report squares November 28, 2010 10:18 AM GMT
Gawd - that looks long and boring Cry
Report alfie46 November 28, 2010 10:22 AM GMT
large block again(3k) late last night on katie 10th elim @2.66
Report squares November 28, 2010 10:23 AM GMT
These are obviously the DISHONEST opinions btw.
Report Henry VIII November 28, 2010 10:26 AM GMT
Good stuff, except I think you maybe harsher than the GBP on liddle Cher.
Report squares November 28, 2010 10:29 AM GMT
Possibly, I forgot to comment that I thought her songs were to indistinguishable and she would have been better to have finished with a "rock" ballad along the lines of Eternal Flame or I Go To Sleep (loose interpretation I know, but hasn't stopped them in the past).
Report five leaves left November 28, 2010 10:33 AM GMT
Good stuff squares.

Hard to disagree with much of that.

The thing I noticed about Cowell last night was how he kept praising various acts for fighting for their place in the semi.
He did this with Katie, Cher aand Matt.
No mention of this after Rebecca, though he is quoted in one of the papers that she shows real passion backstage, but blames Chery for failing to bring this to her performances.

He clearly likes someone with a real desire or some might say a real desperation to win.
Report squares November 28, 2010 10:34 AM GMT
Good point FLL.  I haven't waded through today's rags yet.
Report five leaves left November 28, 2010 10:44 AM GMT
TBF I doubt it's Cheryl's fault. I just feel with Rebecca her nerves have taken over the last couple of weeks.

I love her reserved way of performaning. She's not all over a song with fake emotion and allows the song some space.

For this style to work you need to feel she's totally in control. This clearly hasn't been the case the last 2 weeks and she's looked nervous.
Report Helmuthian Folds November 28, 2010 10:47 AM GMT
A couple of Vodka's 20 minutes before she goes on would work wonders! [;)]
Report Dizzy42 November 28, 2010 10:54 AM GMT
It's strange how Rebecca seemed to be growing in self confidence - only to see it evaporate over the last two weeks.  It's not surprising to see her as a big drifter in the market, which is a shame...  Her final place could well be up for grabs now.

Good summary Squares, although I disagree on Cher.  I'm certainly not a fan of hers, but I think she did OK last week.  Back on safe ground, appealing to her target audience, I think she'll be OK.

Katie bottom, Mary and Wagner in the sing off.  I'm too much of a conspiracy theorist, but I'm convinced that the double elimination is back simply to get Waggy out this week!
Report Dizzy42 November 28, 2010 10:55 AM GMT
Have to say, I've warmed to Wagner though - and his performances this week were by far his best of the series (not difficult, but there you go...).
Report wedge1 November 28, 2010 10:59 AM GMT
based on last nights show and performances
all should be eliminated bar one it was diatribe
therefore only one fitting to win
WAGNER
sums up x factor 2010
just my opinion
Report Journeyman November 28, 2010 11:05 AM GMT
Nights in white Satin really worked. Matt was one of the few to choose the right song to do second.

Agree with you that Brass in pocket was awful and undid any good the U2 track had done for mary.

Thought Katie's 2nd song didn't really improve much on Sex on Fire. Vocally poor in both BUT certainly exciting to watch.
Not sure SC's gameplan in putting down her version of the REM song will have the desired reverse effect he would want.

Wagner was understated and (almost) in tune. Could be curtains for him!
Report RowbeesFouler November 28, 2010 11:10 AM GMT
The first three are guaranteed Matt Rebecca and One Direction.

Matt produced the performance of the series last night and is a worthy fav at this stage.

Rebecca needs to welly it to get back in the contest.

The kids are not going to get better or worse in this competition and have peaked (or troughed) depending on your view already.

In conclusion only Rebecca can stop Matt as they are the stand-out talents.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 11:14 AM GMT
Rowbees

Got to be fair I don't think that was Matt's best last night personally but very good none the less.  I think the 'first three' are far from guaranteed.  Very open and interesting double eviction tonight.
Report squares November 28, 2010 11:15 AM GMT
strong stench of hypocrisy in here.


Get off of my thread.
Report Panther65 November 28, 2010 11:18 AM GMT
i agree with rowbees...the final 3 are as nailed on as u can get, unless of course wagners conspiracy vote gets stronger...
Report cjhornet November 28, 2010 11:19 AM GMT
pretty much spot on Squares. Only thing I would say is that while Wagner sang better doing Creep. I felt without the dancers and all the showbiz it feels rather limp. However did enjoy Addicted to Love for the sheer absurdity. Also thought although Katie was vocally good on her second song I didn't like the arrangement. Plus if Figgy didn't like Jamie Archer, I hate to think what he'd have thought of her performance of KoL, sounded like a playschool presenter trying rock karaoke during her shout outs.
Report five leaves left November 28, 2010 11:19 AM GMT
I'll tell him.

Bugger off Lou.
Report Dizzy42 November 28, 2010 11:34 AM GMT
Yep CJ, Katie was bad Karaoke last night.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 11:37 AM GMT
Katie's just a poor singer.  Day's are numbered.
Report Journeyman November 28, 2010 12:05 PM GMT
Nobody is 'nailed on' for the top 3 except Matt.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 12:06 PM GMT
Journey

Yes that's what I Think.  Very open
Report stringerbell November 28, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
good stuff squares, really interesting as usual

fwiw here are my views

wagner - actually think that despite the judges best attempts to nobble hin (opening slot, nicer comments, clifford stories in press) - he will have picked up new supporters last night and i am beginning to think he has a real shot at the final, when you combine anti cowell angst with potential voters who just think he seems like a decent bloke getting a lot of stick. so he bought dope - hardly a hanging offence, but it may be cowell's best opportunity of getting rid of him

one d - the telling thing here is the slot, which could mean cowell is confident of them getting through or he is losing interest in them. i suspect the latter, with glee lined up for the semi, but the impression now is that cowell doesnt belief ehe can get them over the line and a final  spot would be enough to justify giving them a contract. their performances continue to infuriate - literally drowned out by backing track on first, much better on 2nd with harry leading up, and the coverage of the asian boy hints at an appeal to the asian vote. some good judges think they might be bottom three, i dont think so, but think a win now looks impossible

mary - all the signs here are that they want mary out now. louis's plea for votes showed she isnt polling well, and her position in the running order showed the game is up imo, coupled with the v important fact they gave her her worst performance second. unlike the others. i think she will go tonight,  prob in the sing off, and in truth, she deserves to, as if she had been a plain looking 25 year old, she would have been out a long time ago.

cher -  some dont think she will bounce here, but i think she is sure to, as she has a strong support base that are likely to be mobilised into giving her some backing. only thing is whether she can bounce enough to avoid bottom three, and that has to be questionable. most people, including me, on her dont get her, and from my perspective her rapping is distinctly average, but in an increasingly average looking year at least she is current and a little original. her initial audition was still her finest moment however, as those facial contortions wear thin after a while. in the in running thread last night, someone said he would rather turn over and watch dads army than cher, well, don't tell him pikey....

rebecca - last night was the key night for her and although she did fine, she didnt deliver the hammer performances that she so desperately needed, not to keep her in, because she will be fine, but to make her a realistic winner. it is a singing competition so we are not expecting cartwheels, but she is literally frozen with fear and i cant see how things will get better. very possible now she wont even make the final, though 2nd or 3rd prob more likely...

matt - along with come together, matt's ;i love rock and roll' was up there with the worst performances of the season so far, but he turned it round, as expected, with his second song, giving him the program arc that probably encourages votes. when he is doing what suits him, he is so far clear of the rest it's a joke. the 'type' of performance he is given in the semi will tell us once and for all whether cowell wants him to win, as give him another uptempo song and dancers and it's not over....the only conceivable danger is the judges turning against him, and in that respect the notw stories raise an eyebrow, but surely has enough in the bag to win comfortably. i do though think it is on sufferance, as none of the others have been able to muster credible opposition

katie - the most shameful attempt by the judges to get her more votes (pimp slot again, ridiculously ott comments, louis ramping her over his own acts) but the likeliest explanation is that they know how much she needs votes. her performances were deeply unconvincing imo, and my face comment of the night on the forum was that she looks like andy murray's mum. inconceivable to me that she wont go tonight, and almost certainly imo as botton, tenth elim.
Report hooleyhooley November 28, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
GOOD ACCOUNT AT TOP OF THE PAGE..

NOTHING TO DO WITH SINGING....ITS ABOUT KEEPING THE GRAVY TRAIN GOING,..
UPTIL LAST NIGHT AND THE NEWS OF TODAYS PAPERS...

I WOULD HAVE SAID EACH MENTOR WOULD END UP WITH ONE ACT EACH LEFT[AT LEAST]

KEEPS ALL INTERESTED...

COWELL GOT A BANANA SKIN READY FOR WAGGY...IN THE REPORT OF A DRUG DEALER AT THE STUDIO.

IM STICKING WITH WAGGY STAYING.....SO FOR ME ...ITS MARY,KATIE,CHER THE CHOICE TO GO
Report George Bailey November 28, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
Applying the "could I be ars*d to vote" test to last night and trying to be objective I'd say:

Matt yes
Rebecca yes
One Direction only if I was getting up to make a cup of tea as well
Wagner yes
Cher only if I was getting up because I was dying for a p*ss
Katie no
Mary only if I was getting up to make a cup of tea AND was dying for a p*ss

On this very scientific measure it seems clear that it is katie bottom and mary/cher in trouble.
Report stringerbell November 28, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
Laugh
Report seanvice November 28, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
Good stuff Squares.

Regarding changing the order from first to second song, I'm sure they did it once before in Rhydian's year. They had him sing early in the first song and then he closed the song with his second.
Report seanvice November 28, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
edit: Yep, according to wiki with five left in series 4, Rhydian both opened and closed the show.

Hope went 2nd and 6th, Nikki 3rd and 9th, Leon 4th and 7th, Same Difference 5th and 8th.
Report squares November 28, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
ok, cheers sean but not something that happens regularly
Report seanvice November 28, 2010 3:49 PM GMT
Yea, only the second time they have ever changed the order. The reason this times seems to try and make sure Mary and Wagner are bottom 3. In theory the best 2 slots were Katie's (song before the lines opened) and the very last slot (Cher)

I suppose last time it was to make sure Rhydian didnt go out (maybe because he was polling Danyl Johnson type numbers)
Report George Bailey November 28, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
To put wagner on 1st both halfs was shocking.  Clearly shows cowell is rattled re wagner. Dannii on tellymix also saying wagner not good for x factor after toady o'leary said same thing earlier. Even Louis was getting evil eye last night for defending his own act a bit.

No wonder public smells a bullying rat and is voting accordingly.

Swap chipping in with cash for picking up the phone and its a rerun of the end of It's A Wonderful Life Laugh

We even have the snow LaughLaugh

Wheelchair for cowell LaughLaughLaugh
Report Journeyman November 28, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
I really thought Rebecca couldn't have been much more ineffective than she was last night.
Just can't believe it's beyond possibility that she ends up going home tonight.
Accept that's very unlikely but can't be having her as a nailed on finalist at all.
Might have a tiny tickle dutching her 10th and 11th out just in case.
Report George Bailey November 28, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
"Outspoken" Dannii Minogue tells peole to get wagner out. For "outspoken" read "on message".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/11/28/dannii-minogue-urges-readers-to-vote-wagner-off-and-says-cher-scares-me-115875-22745804/
Report stringerbell November 28, 2010 4:03 PM GMT
gb, cowell as latter day mr potter. ooohhh
Report George Bailey November 28, 2010 4:05 PM GMT
Evey time a phone rings...simon cowell goes "kerching". Grrrr we can't even have a proper people's revolt.
Report RMB © November 28, 2010 5:09 PM GMT
Nice thread chaps, really how this forum used to be.

Strange eviction battle this one. Can't really call it but I suspect Katie will be bottom.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
George Bailey

You mentioned 'It's a Wonderful Life' ............. is that where your name comes from?  What an absolutely fabulous film - one of the best ever made.  Lovely story, brillinatly acted and when the whole town all bring him money at the end and the bell rings on the Christmas tree as he explains to his daughter it means an angel has got his wings (Clarence) I cry every time.  Absolutely 11/10 smashing knockout film.  Good name Sir.
Report boxingthefox November 28, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
Agree LOU brilliant film. [;)]
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 5:48 PM GMT
Boxing

Absolutely wonderful.  'They don't make em' like that anymore'.
Report boxingthefox November 28, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
Laugh LOU when I see XF I think of all the greats and think....Absolutely wonderful.  'They don't make em' like that anymore'. Sad
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
boxing

Yep.  How I's love to see Sinatra come on and do 'I've Got you under my Skin' with The Count Basie Orchestra or Sammy Davis do 'Mr Bojangles'.  Let's see if Matt could beat them!
Report boxingthefox November 28, 2010 6:00 PM GMT
Amen to that, I thought matt's NIWS was pure karaoke not one iota of difference to the original in pitch or phrasing, apart from the last note which was so sharp it nearly choked him.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2010 6:13 PM GMT
Boxing

Thought he did it very well.  Liked that he never changed it.  Not as good as 'First Time Ever' but still great stuff.
Report Dizzy42 November 28, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
Nick - some spot on observations there in your summary.

Pretty much agree with all of that, although Cowell's relaxed demeanour in relation to Wagner makes me suspect that he's not polling anywhere near as well as has been reported...
Report stringerbell November 28, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
thanks dizzy, let's see if it can translate into some cash
Report boxingthefox November 28, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
Thought it was a "Safe" rendition. but if it gets him through then good enough. I'm sure it was a first for a lot of viewers,.... so why take risks. [;)].   I'm off catch you again mate, GL.
Report Muppet1 November 28, 2010 6:22 PM GMT
11.  Rebecca - I Can't Get No (Satisfaction).  Similar comments to her previous performance.  I think she could have given it a lot more "welly".

I was waiting on her singing the 'I can't get no girl reaction' sounds like 'girly action' line but she skipped it!
Report Platini November 28, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
I always cringe when anyone attempts Satisfaction.

Some horrible, horrible song choices last night.

Summer of 69
Brass in Pocket
Sex on Fire


and the worst of the lot - I Love Rock n Roll, possibly the worst rock record of all time.
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