Simon cowell looking over at louis walsh - cheats!!!..

Agreed. Most knowledgeable post of the evening on this forum.

yes but the judges have a vote and can collectively get rid of who they like.

that's what happened.

why would anyone think that was dishonest at all?

cheers crisp.
Because cowell looked a worried man, as he gave a louis a desperate look to save cher, as if it went to deadlock cher was out, thats why.
Louis preferred paije all the way through as well.

His words were "louis - do you want to keep your 7 figure pay-check"

agreed. Plus also cowell said i will not s uck your w illy later to louis.

Louis has been wanting to shaft Paige ever since he first set eyes on him.

lol [:D]

When Cowell only needs the use of one judge it's always Louis. Louis has often gone against what he believes in order to agree with Cowell. When Cowell needs 2 he instructs Cheryl, and sometimes instructs Danni too.

oh dear have u just realised its all fixed

It's surprising (well maybe it's not given the laughable state of consumer protection in the UK) that X-Factor are allowed to maintin the pretence that the judges don't know who finished bottom of the public vote.

It's actually a significant thing - it effectively makes the difference between each week's elimination being based on the public vote or on who Simon Cowell wants to go (or stay).  As such it should be made clear that the judges know who finished bottom & the charade of pretending to "let the public decide" should not be permitted.

Given their history of being found guilty of outrageous vote-rigging in the past you'd think ITV might be a little more honest. Ho-hum.

Yes, poor old Louis, didn't want to choose between the 2! So why didn't he go to the public vote? As you say larrance, blatant cheating. The whole things a farce, but the publicity is priceless.

Its only cheating if it says so in the 'rules' somewhere - where does it say in the 'rules' that they can't just decide who and how they give someone the boot each week?

Isn't deceiving the public tantamount to cheating the public? Don't you think that Paige would feel cheated if he knew that the public had voted to keep him in? I think that I once told you before that shrewd you are not. Rules are not always written, my rules are my morals and they are far more important and they wouldn't allow me to be like Louis Walsh and tell someone how much I supported them before throwing them to the wolves for what can only be personal gain. Not cheating? You don't know the meaning of the word!

But it's clear from the outset that it isn't just the public vote, but the judges decision also - so how is that cheating?

the public vote doesnt come into it at this stage;derrrrr thats clear after sunday cos simon ordered louis to keep cher in

...and as if he had to 'look at him' to tell him that, he'd have told him long before then anyway!

exactly

It is cheating in terms of Cowell adamantly denies knowing the vote results before the vote to save when he blatantly does know. 

Also the fact that the public are made to believe that each judge makes an independant decision where as in fact they all do exactly what Cowell says.

Having said all that I don't want it to change because it actually makes it all much easier to predict.

Also the fact that the public are made to believe that each judge makes an independant decision where as in fact they all do exactly what Cowell says.

How exactly? I would have said the public can see for themselves that it's all about the judges and their interactions, especially with Cowell - it's what makes the show what it is.

I disagree Stu, why does Louis sit there and ummmm and arrrr then?

He makes out he can't decide yet the shrewd (sic) ones amongst us know that the decision has already been made by Cowell.

How did he know there was a shock b2 last night if he doesn't know the vote in advance?

hmmmmmmmmm

He certainly seems to be decieving the audience about whether he knows the results, fair enough on that aspect.

stu

When will the Rebecca/Matt flip flop be?

hmmmm

It happened saturday, again.

One week it will stick :)

We all know that Cowell pulls all the strings but last night he made it so very obvious when he arched back on his chair and looked straight over at Louis just before the votes were made.

Cowell likes the other judges to have a go at him on the show as it makes him look good that he can take criticism but its all an act.

paddletoe

Yes did you see when Cheryl scratched her nose too and I caught Danni breathing when I played it backwards.  They're all signs you know!

Another fantastic contribution Lou, keep it up!

Your not very good at body language Lou if you missed Cowells look at Louis. It was more obvious that the Ronaldo wink.

paddletoe

Ok must have missed that.  I sat Louis straightening his tie though and Simon sipping his water so I should have realised something was amiss I suppose.  Do you think Simon had another producer on the grassy knole too maybe?

Lou,i actually mentioned it on a post last night before Louis voted. I know that just because Louis voted for Paige i not proof but the fact that several other people seemed to see it and have since mentioned it would suggest it did happen.

Paddletoe,

I am entitled to my opinion which is just as valuable as yours and if you carry on I will happily put you on the blocked list!

Damn, wrong account again!

As you obviously missed it this is what i saw. Jut before the judges voted Cowell leaned back on his chair and looked straight ove at louis. As for the look he give him i would desibe it as the same look a parent might give their child jus before they are about to do someting bad. Louis definately got the message.

Paddle

Ok nudge nudge wink wink I'm sure you're right.

This is 'Brown Cow' in the Book Depository building.  Over and out.

i would strongly suspect that wagner has never been in the bottom 3 as they keep doing single eliminations what do others think about that thought am i right or wrong.

scarecrow

Just guessing obviously but I would think he would be nearer the bottom of the votes than the top so scraping through I would guess.  Can't be much longer surely.

I can confirm, paddle, that there was a "look" which was clearly shown on TV.

yeah lou but my point is based on the thought that if he was ever in the bottom three they would jump at the chance of a double elimination to get rid of him and perhaps save them from problems later.

imo they haven't particularly wanted rid of him YET

scarecrow

Oh agreed yes.

if they really wanted rid of wagner, they'd put him on first, doing a stripped down a capella version of some dreary ballad.

they'll want him out this week though i reckon, next week at the latest.

Wagner has been great for the shows publicity so far with lots of tabloid inches but they are running out of scapegoats for both him and Katie now.

paddle

Yes I agree.  wagner and Katie vy far the worst in it.  Not fair that they stay at the expense of better singers.  What next.....Matt/Rebecca go?  Just not right IMO.

it's an entertainment show.  right or wrong doesn't come into it, and why should it?

On Saturday Katie was better than everyone except maybe Mary.

as i said b4 shake up by the boss cos lets be honest here on a normal day likes of mary and katie lag 100 miles behind rebecca and matt

I thought paije performance was the best on sat. [smiley:crazy]

he was certainly the best on Sunday larrence! [;)]

To go back to the cheating bit larrence - where does it say they aren't allowed to collude on their choices in the singoff?

larrence

Yes I thought Paije was 3rd best on the night so hard luck to see him go I thought.  At the end of the day as bad as Wagner and Katie might be though they are getting more votes.

I think seeing all them Cowell 'signals'  he may have had something to do with the Marilyn Monroe murder too you know.  I mean drug overdose?  I saw Cowell stare at Louis.  They were in on it together all along.

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my toes are curling in embarrassment that anyone can make such pathetic comments on here.

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it's a major result being ignored by ^^^.

Although game given away with the quick retort - 1.01 he's read it.

To save Katie a few weeks back, both Simon and Lois both conceded that Treyc was the better singer, yet both chose to save Katie. Simon even had the cheek to say that he put himself in the shoes of the viewers and did what he thought they wanted. That was despite the fact that he knew the phone poll results which were 3/1 for Treyc, ie Katie should have gone and would have if it had gone to deadlock!

libertine

How do we know "he knew the phonepoll results"?  You're just surmising he does surely.  He COULD POSSIBLY not know them too.