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On planet Melv the sign of a successful song on here is the Million a week test. That’s a million you tube hits in 7 days.
Matt has done it twice. With “Mercy” matt is guaranted another Million week. Rebecca has not come close. With “Candle” She had the pimp slot, she’s had the iconic song (Could not sing the tune), she’s had the standing ovation, she’s had the panel begging everyone in Liverpool to vote for her; and its imposible to get the million from her hit numbers today. She needs at least 250k at this point.
I am not surprised that Matt is not doing that well this week I that “Yellow brick” was the suicide pill. But Matt has shown yet again he can nail anything. All he has to do is keep this up. When he gets a song he really like I think it’s a million every time.
I am at a disadvantage I cannot stand Rebecca. And I am a massive Billie holiday fan. I am probably mad but I think a lot of people are as daft as me and that makes Rebecca marmite. They have waited as long as they can for enough people to acquire the taste of Marmite before giving her the pimp. Nope the public still are not catching on numbers.
There is another difference between Matt and Rebecca and no-no has mentioned this. Matts versions actually sound both like the song he is singing and like Matt. Rebecca’s just sound like Rebecca. When I sing I always make the song my own…. but you wouldn’t want to hear it.
IMO when I come to the big votes and the losing fans have switched there allegiances I think Mum. Auntie and Granny public will go for the one who makes songs sound like they are supposed to sound.
I also think Rebecca is an acquired taste I do not think the Paige Mary, Cher and one direction fans will acquire that taste in time. She could even go out early when losers transfer their allegiance to Matt.
Matt has done it twice. With “Mercy” matt is guaranted another Million week. Rebecca has not come close. With “Candle” She had the pimp slot, she’s had the iconic song (Could not sing the tune), she’s had the standing ovation, she’s had the panel begging everyone in Liverpool to vote for her; and its imposible to get the million from her hit numbers today. She needs at least 250k at this point.
I am not surprised that Matt is not doing that well this week I that “Yellow brick” was the suicide pill. But Matt has shown yet again he can nail anything. All he has to do is keep this up. When he gets a song he really like I think it’s a million every time.
I am at a disadvantage I cannot stand Rebecca. And I am a massive Billie holiday fan. I am probably mad but I think a lot of people are as daft as me and that makes Rebecca marmite. They have waited as long as they can for enough people to acquire the taste of Marmite before giving her the pimp. Nope the public still are not catching on numbers.
There is another difference between Matt and Rebecca and no-no has mentioned this. Matts versions actually sound both like the song he is singing and like Matt. Rebecca’s just sound like Rebecca. When I sing I always make the song my own…. but you wouldn’t want to hear it.
IMO when I come to the big votes and the losing fans have switched there allegiances I think Mum. Auntie and Granny public will go for the one who makes songs sound like they are supposed to sound.
I also think Rebecca is an acquired taste I do not think the Paige Mary, Cher and one direction fans will acquire that taste in time. She could even go out early when losers transfer their allegiance to Matt.
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Quantity of youtube views is a very poor indicator of quality.
And it's a very poor predictor for these shows.
And it's a very poor predictor for these shows.
ffs melv i thought u had more brains;it doesnt matter a fiddlers about u tubes etc;it matters what sc wants;proof was aiden going other night;please open ur eyes and ears
I know the is not a direct correaltion between youtube hits and who wins.
Cher should be fav if you go off youtube. I also know that Simon has a big effect on who wins. I also have never said Matt wins this this or that Rebecca cannot win this. I have not played my hand yet. Though I am on matt @ 10's.
My reading of the runes incudes polls, whats said on here, and the market. I also read the youtube comments.
But rebbecca had better knock out a million a week hits soon. Also if Matt does another couple of Million week on the next 4 weeks rebecca is in trouble. IMO.
Cher should be fav if you go off youtube. I also know that Simon has a big effect on who wins. I also have never said Matt wins this this or that Rebecca cannot win this. I have not played my hand yet. Though I am on matt @ 10's.
My reading of the runes incudes polls, whats said on here, and the market. I also read the youtube comments.
But rebbecca had better knock out a million a week hits soon. Also if Matt does another couple of Million week on the next 4 weeks rebecca is in trouble. IMO.
Alfie
I'm sure it is but not exactly a bad thing to have so many hits/views on your songs is it?
I'm sure it is but not exactly a bad thing to have so many hits/views on your songs is it?
agreed- cant be bad to have onside but unreliable indicator. loving the betting thought process on here between either matt or rebecca winning,seems like one dimension have now entered that fray.
Well if you are so fond of youtube hits,this weeks song hits so far
Matt 154,883
Rebecca 178,298
As Lou would say....hmmmmmm
Matt 154,883
Rebecca 178,298
As Lou would say....hmmmmmm
I account for 298 of Rebecca's so you can cross those off.
Quantity of youtube views is a very poor indicator of quality.
OK here is a thought experiment. In reality I take more into account than this. But here goes.
If things stay as they are. Which is Matt with 2 more Million viewer songs and rebbecca still with none. Would you expect her price to be the same. Would you expect fav or a drift for her?
OK here is a thought experiment. In reality I take more into account than this. But here goes.
If things stay as they are. Which is Matt with 2 more Million viewer songs and rebbecca still with none. Would you expect her price to be the same. Would you expect fav or a drift for her?
I honestly don;t believe it would make any difference melv.
There's nothing out of the ordinary in Matt's figures or Rebbeca's
I suspect Matt is doing worse than Vickers and Rebecca is doing better than Alexandra.
It would only make a difference if the figures were out of the ordinary.
Say 5 million for Matt and couple of thousand for Rebecca.
There's nothing out of the ordinary in Matt's figures or Rebbeca's
I suspect Matt is doing worse than Vickers and Rebecca is doing better than Alexandra.
It would only make a difference if the figures were out of the ordinary.
Say 5 million for Matt and couple of thousand for Rebecca.
surely more recent youtube stats are more relevant than old youtube stats? if relevant at all.
Voters vote for who they think deserves to win, youtube views may give some indication but it’s not the same.
One thing to note is that people click on who they fancy a lot. Any youtube with a pretty girl on the still will get loads of views. I’ll bet that playboy model on IAC has many times the views of the others (if she actually has anything on youtube, I haven’t looked). Doesn’t mean she’s going to win IAC.
One thing to note is that people click on who they fancy a lot. Any youtube with a pretty girl on the still will get loads of views. I’ll bet that playboy model on IAC has many times the views of the others (if she actually has anything on youtube, I haven’t looked). Doesn’t mean she’s going to win IAC.
if she actually has anything on youtube, I haven’t looked
why don't i believe that!!!!
why don't i believe that!!!!
Actually she's not exactly stunning, on closer analysis, if you take away the youth and the blonde hair.
OK put it this way. Given the pimping, the ramping the ovations, Surprised they wher not playing you'll never walk alone. Given that they where trying there make this her best shot. If Matt does a couple of million over the next 4 weeks I predict Matt 6/4 and Rebbeca at least 4. And that will suit me fine.
Read my lips I never said he would win it. Hope he does but it'll probably be the Wanderers with Cowell saying "I've got 5 Beibers"
Read my lips I never said he would win it. Hope he does but it'll probably be the Wanderers with Cowell saying "I've got 5 Beibers"
That's pretty conservative melv, I think he should be 2.4 right now. And Rebecca 2.8.
More interesting for me is that Rebecca got Adele's version of the song up to number 9 in this weeks chart. Matt could only get Roberta Flack to 44. 
An update on this weeks youtube hits
Matt 197,871
Rebecca 225,757
hmmmmmm
Matt 197,871
Rebecca 225,757
hmmmmmm
Melv,
I have two words for your hypothesis of using youtube as an indicator of popularity...
ANDREW GARCIA
I have two words for your hypothesis of using youtube as an indicator of popularity...
ANDREW GARCIA
More interesting for me is that Rebecca got Adele's version of the song up to number 9 in this weeks chart. Matt could only get Roberta Flack to 44.
Yeah and most people think Gamu sang it better. Gamu 1.2 million hits out of limelight two weeks later. Rebbecca O.5 million hits after two weeks. Pimped to fk.
Actually I think Gamu put a few amatuerish pub singer barks in and spoilt it. However that
one note was divine.
Who was that Yank celeb who made the same point at the MOBO's
Yeah and most people think Gamu sang it better. Gamu 1.2 million hits out of limelight two weeks later. Rebbecca O.5 million hits after two weeks. Pimped to fk.
Actually I think Gamu put a few amatuerish pub singer barks in and spoilt it. However that
one note was divine.
Who was that Yank celeb who made the same point at the MOBO's
An update on this weeks DS "Who's your favourite"
Matt 36%
Rebecca 22%
Matt a tincy wincy bit ahead!
hmmmmmm
Matt 36%
Rebecca 22%
Matt a tincy wincy bit ahead!
hmmmmmm
I know. I know. I know. I know.I know. I know. I know. I know.I know.
I know. I know. I know.
But Simon and his millions absolutely assasinated Andrew.
Cowell has not tirned against Matt. Yet.
Yes I am expecting it. It is one of the thing that is making this year quite fascinating.
Lou getting desperate now,using digital spy polls,that poll shows one direction with 6% so its very accurate then....
Den
How do we know it isn't accurate? ONE D could be scraping through every week. As could Matt (whisper it quietly but so could Rebecca)
All we know for a fact is that ONE D haven't been bottom 2.
You don't like it Denman do you someone answering you back? I'm not getting desperate I'm on the favourite, your girls about to drop to third favourite. Desperate are you?
hmmmmmmmm
How do we know it isn't accurate? ONE D could be scraping through every week. As could Matt (whisper it quietly but so could Rebecca)
All we know for a fact is that ONE D haven't been bottom 2.
You don't like it Denman do you someone answering you back? I'm not getting desperate I'm on the favourite, your girls about to drop to third favourite. Desperate are you?
hmmmmmmmm
NXRBL
ANDREW GARCIA
Oh I loved him in Godfather 3
ANDREW GARCIA
Oh I loved him in Godfather 3
He he....you are usually good for a debate Lou but you seem to be a bit infantile today...wonder why...time of the month?
Denman
Time of the month is for females FACT. I'm a man.
I see you just avoid questions Denman so you're reading this right now, your fingers are at the keys so please answer ALL questions. I'll take it you'll be 100% HONEST as what's the point of lying?
1. Do you think Rebecca has been very very samey every week. A slow ballad and not budging an inch from the spot?
2. Are you being deliberately biased towards her because you've backed her?
3. Are you being biased because she's a fellow Scouser?
4. If you had one 'jackpot ticket' going through to the last leg for your chance to win the million, who would you place it on.
Like I said you could conveniently lie which means there's no point in this convesration. I will believe what you say upfront in the hope that as a grown man you'll be totally honest.
Lou
Time of the month is for females FACT. I'm a man.
I see you just avoid questions Denman so you're reading this right now, your fingers are at the keys so please answer ALL questions. I'll take it you'll be 100% HONEST as what's the point of lying?
1. Do you think Rebecca has been very very samey every week. A slow ballad and not budging an inch from the spot?
2. Are you being deliberately biased towards her because you've backed her?
3. Are you being biased because she's a fellow Scouser?
4. If you had one 'jackpot ticket' going through to the last leg for your chance to win the million, who would you place it on.
Like I said you could conveniently lie which means there's no point in this convesration. I will believe what you say upfront in the hope that as a grown man you'll be totally honest.
Lou
PS Gamu sang the tune. And made it her own. Drop the barking though luv you are better than than that.
Rebbecca doesn't do tunes because she can't. Billie Holliday could do tunes and put meaning in and tell a story and had more soul than she could control. Rebbecca just impersonates Billies little flourishes and slurrs but there is no content behind it. Rebbecca all fur coat . No nickers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_1LfT1MvzI
Billies voice is etched by hard and heavy experince. Rebbecca is imitation.
I like the way they are making Rebbecca up to look like Billie. Is it "Who you do?" or Xfactor.
Understandable why in Simons all fur coat world she is Queen.
Rebbecca doesn't do tunes because she can't. Billie Holliday could do tunes and put meaning in and tell a story and had more soul than she could control. Rebbecca just impersonates Billies little flourishes and slurrs but there is no content behind it. Rebbecca all fur coat . No nickers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_1LfT1MvzI
Billies voice is etched by hard and heavy experince. Rebbecca is imitation.
I like the way they are making Rebbecca up to look like Billie. Is it "Who you do?" or Xfactor.
Understandable why in Simons all fur coat world she is Queen.
I'd rather listen to a 2nd rate Billie Holliday than a 2nd rate James Blunt ;)
Denman
I asked you the questions over an hour ago. Are you just avoiding them?
hmmmmmm!
I asked you the questions over an hour ago. Are you just avoiding them?
hmmmmmm!
1. Do you think Rebecca has been very very samey every week. A slow ballad and not budging an inch from the spot?
Yes, but her performances have been excellent. She could do with doing something different but Elton John didn't really allow it without doing a ridiculous song (like Paije/Katie). For someone who goes on and on about it being a singing competition, this criticism about a lack of movement is quite astonishing.
2. Are you being deliberately biased towards her because you've backed her?
No. I actually don't think she'll win unless Cowell really throws his weight behind her (which he'll need to do soon), but she's fantastic, and may well shorten yet. However, nobody is being more biased about any of the acts than you are about Matt.
3. Are you being biased because she's a fellow Scouser?
N/A - thank the lord.
4. If you had one 'jackpot ticket' going through to the last leg for your chance to win the million, who would you place it on.
One Direction.
Yes, but her performances have been excellent. She could do with doing something different but Elton John didn't really allow it without doing a ridiculous song (like Paije/Katie). For someone who goes on and on about it being a singing competition, this criticism about a lack of movement is quite astonishing.
2. Are you being deliberately biased towards her because you've backed her?
No. I actually don't think she'll win unless Cowell really throws his weight behind her (which he'll need to do soon), but she's fantastic, and may well shorten yet. However, nobody is being more biased about any of the acts than you are about Matt.
3. Are you being biased because she's a fellow Scouser?
N/A - thank the lord.
4. If you had one 'jackpot ticket' going through to the last leg for your chance to win the million, who would you place it on.
One Direction.
to those thick ones that dont know yet;REBECCA I REPEAT REBECCA I REPEAT REBECCA HAS THE BEST VOICE AND IS COWELLS CHOSEN ONE;FACT;FACT;FACT;I KNOW
to those thick ones that dont know yet;MATT I REPEAT MATT I REPEAT MATT HAS THE BEST VOICE AND IS COWELLS CHOSEN ONE;FACT;FACT;FACT;I KNOW
no help for u lou;ive tried to point u in the right way
no help for u lay;ive tried to point u in the right way
layprofessional telling somebody to grow up a little ironic.
Back to your reply to me Melv you have gone back to youtube figures again which doesn't prove anything.
Gamu didn't inspire people to go out and by the song or certainly not in the quantity that Rebecca did anyway. Youtube is free, purchasing the track and voting aren't. [;)]
Gamu didn't inspire people to go out and by the song or certainly not in the quantity that Rebecca did anyway. Youtube is free, purchasing the track and voting aren't. [;)]
Not sure what you mean by favourite but...
I think Rebecca is the best singer.
and
One Direction are my biggest green.
I think Rebecca is the best singer.
and
One Direction are my biggest green.
Benjy
Fair enough. I'm only green on Matt now. Was with Aiden a bit too but he's gone and I've got rid of my ONE D Green before last Satuday as I've thought they've been poor every week. That said thought they did their best efforst so far at the weekend.
Fair enough. I'm only green on Matt now. Was with Aiden a bit too but he's gone and I've got rid of my ONE D Green before last Satuday as I've thought they've been poor every week. That said thought they did their best efforst so far at the weekend.
Denman
Atill waiting for you to answer my questions of 09.32. Been almost 6 hours so far. Avoiding them by any chance?
hmmmm
Atill waiting for you to answer my questions of 09.32. Been almost 6 hours so far. Avoiding them by any chance?
hmmmm
you're on his ignore list lou. it's petty i know, but hey ho.
Sorry Lou,had to go to work
Actually she hasnt done the same thing every week,1st week was teardrops and she moved all over the stage and 2nd week was feeling good which certainly isnt a ballad,i think she does need to do something more uptempo this week and i think she will.
Of course i am biased because i backed her,i did it because i think she will win
Despite the very strong anti-scouse sentiment on here i am very proud of where i come from and i think she represents Liverpool very well so yes,it does make me want her to win more.
Actually she hasnt done the same thing every week,1st week was teardrops and she moved all over the stage and 2nd week was feeling good which certainly isnt a ballad,i think she does need to do something more uptempo this week and i think she will.
Of course i am biased because i backed her,i did it because i think she will win
Despite the very strong anti-scouse sentiment on here i am very proud of where i come from and i think she represents Liverpool very well so yes,it does make me want her to win more.
And i would put the jackpot ticket on Rebecca.
Denman
If that's you being totally honest then fair enough. Your opinions as good as mine and you could well be on to a winner.
To be fair (and aren't I always) I just went and watched that and she did move about quite nicely so credit there. Thought it was a real catchy song too that she should do more of. Every week since it's almost been the same song and very stiff. Cheryl really should get her to put another catchy song in and for that matter Matt should do one too.
Thanks for answering and good luck with your bets.
If that's you being totally honest then fair enough. Your opinions as good as mine and you could well be on to a winner.
To be fair (and aren't I always) I just went and watched that and she did move about quite nicely so credit there. Thought it was a real catchy song too that she should do more of. Every week since it's almost been the same song and very stiff. Cheryl really should get her to put another catchy song in and for that matter Matt should do one too.
Thanks for answering and good luck with your bets.
Can I join in too?!
1. Do you think Rebecca has been very very samey every week. A slow ballad and not budging an inch from the spot?
Totally Lou - but they have never referred to her as a 'one trick pony' unlike others, and never encouraged to do anything different. That in itself makes me think they want her to win...
2. Are you being deliberately biased towards her because you've backed her?
I've backed Matt, Rebecca and 1D, so reasonably objective on this (just don't mention Cher!)
3. Are you being biased because she's a fellow Scouser?
I do find TV's obsession with Scousers ridiculous - but I do think that this plays in her favour versus Matt (down to earth Liverpudlian versus privileged Southerner)
4. If you had one 'jackpot ticket' going through to the last leg for your chance to win the million, who would you place it on?
At the moment it would probably still be Rebecca (just); I worry that Matt may have peaked too soon - and that 1D are being pimped to the max by Cowell too...
1. Do you think Rebecca has been very very samey every week. A slow ballad and not budging an inch from the spot?
Totally Lou - but they have never referred to her as a 'one trick pony' unlike others, and never encouraged to do anything different. That in itself makes me think they want her to win...
2. Are you being deliberately biased towards her because you've backed her?
I've backed Matt, Rebecca and 1D, so reasonably objective on this (just don't mention Cher!)
3. Are you being biased because she's a fellow Scouser?
I do find TV's obsession with Scousers ridiculous - but I do think that this plays in her favour versus Matt (down to earth Liverpudlian versus privileged Southerner)
4. If you had one 'jackpot ticket' going through to the last leg for your chance to win the million, who would you place it on?
At the moment it would probably still be Rebecca (just); I worry that Matt may have peaked too soon - and that 1D are being pimped to the max by Cowell too...
Dizzy
Fair enough. I was only asking Denman the scouser bit because he is a scouser I didn't realise there was a TV obsession with them!
Of the 'One Jackpot' question I'm not at all worried Matt's peaked too early. I think he's a very good singer so therefore will be next week and the week after etc. Look at Joe last year (I think he's better than Matt) it's almost like I'd score him 9/10 every single week, he was terriffic. Why can't Matt keep that up. He's been good every week so far.
Fair enough. I was only asking Denman the scouser bit because he is a scouser I didn't realise there was a TV obsession with them!
Of the 'One Jackpot' question I'm not at all worried Matt's peaked too early. I think he's a very good singer so therefore will be next week and the week after etc. Look at Joe last year (I think he's better than Matt) it's almost like I'd score him 9/10 every single week, he was terriffic. Why can't Matt keep that up. He's been good every week so far.
True - both Leona and Joe were consistent week after week, even Alexandra actually...
Both Matt and Rebecca could qualify on the same count in this year's comp - neither have really put a foot wrong yet.
Both Matt and Rebecca could qualify on the same count in this year's comp - neither have really put a foot wrong yet.
Dizzy
Yes agree with all that. I thought Leona Alexandra and Joe were fantastic every week. I just think Matt's got the 'wow' moments in him whereas Rebecca hasn't. She's been a sort of steady 7/10 every week and I think you need more than that.
Yes agree with all that. I thought Leona Alexandra and Joe were fantastic every week. I just think Matt's got the 'wow' moments in him whereas Rebecca hasn't. She's been a sort of steady 7/10 every week and I think you need more than that.
matt is without doubt the best male singer that has been on the X FACTOR. 
Larrence
Don't agree personally but the pick of this bunch IMO.
Don't agree personally but the pick of this bunch IMO.
Matt has that special tone to his voice, not many singers have that and to me without a doubt the best male singer ever. I seriously reckon he will win the show and win well. [;)]
Fair enough you're entitled to your opinion. I hope he wins too.
Good luck.
When matt sang infront of natalie (judges home) and the ****cat doll (bootcamp), you could tell they thought he was special and the winner. [;)]
When matt sang infront of natalie (judges home) and the ****cat doll (bootcamp), you could tell they thought he was special and the winner. [;)]
larrence
Don't know about that. I think he's good but no certainty at all. Odds say two out of three times he won't win.
Don't know about that. I think he's good but no certainty at all. Odds say two out of three times he won't win.
Good luck.
When Rebecca sang infront of will.i.am (judges home) and Cowell (bootcamp), you could tell they thought she was special and the winner.
When Rebecca sang infront of will.i.am (judges home) and Cowell (bootcamp), you could tell they thought she was special and the winner.
Larrence when Matt sang in the judges house; Danni had to apologize to the camera's for giving him a beyonce song I think, where he ****ed up.
stroodle
Not saying you're wrong as I don't watch all of that stage but I don't remember that?
Not saying you're wrong as I don't watch all of that stage but I don't remember that?
I just vaguely remember Danni stating to the camera's the song was to big for him
stroodle
Fair enough I'll take you at your word. Just don't recall that at all.
Fair enough I'll take you at your word. Just don't recall that at all.
I can confirm that she blamed herself for choosing a really difficult song to sing that was too big for him and caused him to struggle.
Youtube counts are more or less as important as a Survation poll.
If rebbecca does "Yesterday." She gets a milion next week and thats just from Merseyside.
I'm not sure it's a great song for. I'd have preferred 'Something'
Better than Cardie's though, obviously.
Better than Cardie's though, obviously.
Figgy
Yes perhaps a bit obscure doing that. 'Something' is terriffic and Rebecca's hardly bad but Matt's just very very average.
Yes perhaps a bit obscure doing that. 'Something' is terriffic and Rebecca's hardly bad but Matt's just very very average.
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