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Matt not quite what he seems?
Matt not quite what he seems?
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Yep, she looks a natural fit for this show.
Maybe still value @ 11/4 and 5/2 The opposition look very weak. |
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Figgy
I don't ever watch it and have never bet a penny on it but at about 6/1 Nigel Havers comes across as ever such a nice chap doesn't he? Good looking, suave, sophisticated. In with a shout? |
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I'm not saying that she's not a good singer. I'm not saying that people don't or won't support her.
What I am saying is that people aren't as fully behind her as you may think. People have other favourites also. Remember there's Niall in 1D and Rebecca was in Bellamy. She has lost of the support she had at the outset. Believe it or not, if it weren't for the fact that Mary is a very amiable character, there wouldn't be an Irish person outside Dublin voting for her. By and large the rest of the country dislike "jackeens". Mary has cross country Irish support, though. How that Irish support can impact the outcome remains to be seen. I think it may be a bit overstated |
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He's my other bet Lou, for the reasons you give Lou.
He's a real charmer I hear. Rather like I imagine your good self :) |
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* lost some of the support
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Lou should go on that show....sure fire winner!
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Figgy
You know me too well! You old charmer! (wink) |
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With Mary, it's all about how long any regional support can keep her on the show. May help the make up of the elimination markets.
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I was just wondering why say the Scots never gave up on him but you're saying the Irish support has wained for Mary. there were other 'favourites' for people in Leon's year but they still stood by him. Not saying you're wrong please don't think that, I'm just surprised that you say her supports waining. |
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Figgy
I might have a cheeky score! You always get me going you!! |
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Figgy
I've had a cheeky £14 to win a ton. You better be right!! (wink) |
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i think her irish support has always been overstated on here. believe it or not, not all irish people watch the x factor. not all of them watch it on tv3. not all of them vote. and not all of them would vote for mary.
some irish people would vote for her in the final, because she's irish. some would vote for their favourite act. however, let's not forget that not ALL of mary's supporters are irish. there will be a decent chunk of the over 40s around the UK who would be supporting mary too. |
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Stand by for a thread started by Lou entitled "Stacey doesnt move when eating bugs"
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Her support is not as powerful as the first couple of weeks, that's all Lou.
Unfortunately for her she peaked to early, simple as that. Her support has slipped while others have gathered momentum. Very straight forward. People haven't given up hope on her, but they're pragmatic in their support. |
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cider, she's going to be bang up for it, she's not a game player, there's no front to her, she's genuine and sweet and v funny. 11/4 is an absolute bargain. i've gone in again and again.
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Going back to the OP about Matt, surely this means the 'cheeky chappy painter decorator done good' b*ll*cks just won't wash now?
It was always a bit dubious and had the potential to wear very thin - but this now translates as 'lazy workshy layabout sponges off his parents and can't be bothered to find a proper job'! Which is kind of what we suspected underneath that well worn cap of his! |
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The image he wants to project and the career path he has in mind isn't a comfortable fit with the whole XF process, so he is trying to retain some rock n roll credibility by slagging off Katie, Wagner and those who take the show and the whole fame thing too seriously complete with SWEAR words to maximise the impact. He is more desperate to win this than anyone and has ruthlessly chucked his girlfriend of 4 years because it has been suggested that it would be better for him if he did. He seems to think that he is above this, yet he is a bigger fame and success **** than any of them.
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And Matt needs to stop calling katie a fame hungary t**t when in fact its him who is the fame hungary t**t.
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Matt on front of Daily Mirror today. Apparently he’s having a ‘secret romance’ with XF stylist Grace Woodward. His ex gf is heartbroken and Cowell is seething if you believe this cr@p. I couldn’t be bothered to read the whole story as this one smacks of a PR stunt to keep this sh!t in the news. They must be realising that Matt is boring so are trying to give him a some sort of bad boy image.
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Surely that's counter-productive though... Unless they don't really want him to win [;)]
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Yes, a little rich PM calling your compatriots fame hungry
The media campaign against him is certainly gathering a pace. You have to wonder how much this is being orchestrated by the Cowell bloke No stories about Rebecca abandoning her kids yet? |
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Mikeeey - I'm imagine that's the kind of story that could/would be kept well under wraps by the XF machine, if they so wished.
Matt hasn't exactly gone out of his way to stay under the radar. There's been so many little trickly stories about him from day 1... The 4 year GF offload. Faux painter and decorator poor boy story in a £15k/year boarding school. Outbursts at fellow contestants. The "I Deserve This" blurb. Cocaine arrest pre show. Did he/didn't he story with Katie and now the XF stylist. Of them all I personally think the worst is the whole "Me so meek and lacking confidence profession" - Yet he's played every pub the length of the UK over the past 6 years with Seven Summers. One would think he'd have gotten over those issues over that time  For this specific reason I can't see Cowell taking him on as the winner. The fact that he's been knocking on every industry door for a considerable length and not cracked it. However, maybe he hadn't gone through the Danni Nutsquash by that stage and only sang boy songs. I wonder does Cowell think it's gone to his head a bit? That he's gonna be a bit of a rebel and an awkward sort to manage? Sit Matt! Sit! Good girrrrl... Sorry, boy! |
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* I'd imagine
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Everything thats gets Matt talked about is good for the show, good for Cowell and good for Matt.
All that he needs to do is avoid turning into an arrogant mixed up bratty tw@t lke Danyl. I know all the Rebecca brigade want him to do that but why the fk should he. As for Simon "I have banned relationships" Cowell. Oh really? How many papers got sold how much Xfactor brand got grown when the Olly/Stacey love boat was floated. How hard is it to get out of this Cowell/Clifford mind f()ck? Mind you I would adore a Matt Lauren reunion. But the split up and the heartbreak have to reach public awareness first and Clifford is finding it difficult to float that boat never mind get it on the radar. He doesn't seem to be able to get HMS Matt is a b@astard under sail either. I wonder why? |
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Melv, I know there's no such thing as bad publicity etc.
Different gravy when your very existence is dependent on a public vote. Then you have to act Mr/Mrs/Ms Nice Scenario for you: An average Joe Public tunes in to XF for the first time this series. They like a good "story". They equally then like the singing of say Matt, Rebecca and Paije. They are up to speed with the stories about the three in the papers, as it's the stories that have stimulated them to tune in... Would they be more or less likely to vote for Matt on foot of the above revelations? * I'm picking Rebecca and Paije because both have had limited press exposure to date. |
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He's Finish.
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Finnish too.
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He's done a reverse Rydian.
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Both of you are obviously not convinced that he already has a fan base in place. The media want that readership on board too. Any newspaper that comes out for Matt will shift copies.
I suggest you compare and contrast Matt/Rebbcca youtube comments. |
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Danyl is a good comparison here. He got too big for his boots and ultimately the public turned against him despite his talent. The press wasn't great for Danyl either...
I think that Matt is much better than Danyl, but after the Steve Brookstein fiasco I can't see Simon wanting to have another headstrong, cocky singer on his books. God forbid that the X Factor winner should actually have a mind of his / her own!!! |
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He's far less likeable than Danyl, but better looking, so he gets away with it.
Ultimately though, as we saw with John James, most women come to their senses. |
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headstrong, cocky singer
Oh do make your minds up fans. Is he the desperate for success groveling humble arselicking praying for approval Matt or is he the headstrong, cocky singer . Oh I see we all hate the grovelling Matt image but insidehe is a headstrong, cocky singerwhich we also hate. WTF it doesn't matter what hairy arsed gamblers think. Do read his comments threads. |
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Never mind my hairy arse...
I don't think the cockiness is that well hidden anymore - check out this quote: "It would be a f**king joke if Wagner got through to the final and I was against him," he told The Mirror. "I hope that the public would see sense if that did happen - or I just pray to God that they do." Forget about the Wagner comment - he is already assuming that HE will be in the final. Regardless of what people have said on the comments threads, I don't think they will continue warming to him if this arrogance continues to spill over. ...Besides which did anyone really buy the grovelling, humble Matt image in the first place? |
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He's a posh arrogant, cocky knob with a massive sense of etitlement who is very good at putting on a ever so humble act when needs must
That's always how I've seen him since his nauseating speech at bootcamp. I suspect the recent press is making many others see him in the same way. |
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Melv,
I have to say I take exception to your hairy arsed gambler generalisation. I'm a B.S.&C man meself!! I'm not under any illusions about Matt's fanbase. I'm certain he has a very strong one. But, with the ongoing negative stories in the media, he's making it difficult to attract new or transferable support. He's pretty much alienated any possible Wagner/Katie/Cher support through his comments already. Who next? My point regarding a new neutral watching the show is that they may be impressed equally with a few acts, but Matt's publicity will not endear them to vote for him (save the coke snorting, GF dumping, public school attending, stylist shagging, contestant slagging, deserving middle class demographic)! |
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is very good at putting on a ever so humble act when needs must
That'll do me. Because if he can continue to do it and The press (Clifford) continue to attack him he will seem picked on. All of which will do nicely for the publicity fest.I cannot see Cowell/Clifird putting all this effort into creating controversy around a patently uncontrovercial bloke unless they are setting it up for a dramatic final. In other words I do not think they want their most popular contestant off the show. I personally have fallen for it hook line sinker and am watching to se if they let him sing a suitable song and if he sings well they give him fair comment. If its a positive week for him  which actaully I doubt (TV values demand a poor week for dramatic texture) but if it is a good week then the anti Matt brigade will have a few new theories to concoct.I am waitng for Duffys "Mercy" to blow their socks off later in the series. |
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coke snorting, GF dumping, public school attending, stylist shagging, contestant slagging, deserving middle class demographic
Surely not implying that could include any of us forumites?! |
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There is no doubt that they'll want some semblance of a competition to keep the phone votes racking up. If it seems too much like a one-horse race people will just switch off and lose interest...
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I heard he already had a record contract with his ex-indie band before they split up. Cardle the fraudster.
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Certainly not dizzy! [;)]
We all formed our opinion on Matt long before now! |