cast iron free money .

Well done Sam

stick to cricket sam,they like you there[;)]

wink wink

cheers al , happy with my 700 pound , treat myself to a holiday after christmas .

See if Thomas Cook have any special offers for fantasy island Sam, weathers nice round xmas time

700 pound will do me al .

I agree with Sam, even if the nonsense takes Wagner's price lower again, he has no chance of winning.

... but as he may not go lower anyway - a good lay (42 now).

correct mate , there's no way he'll win , it just won't happen .

Personally I'd raher lay Belle Amie @ 200

lay my £30@ 48 and you can then buy yourself a few drinks on your xmas break.

In the sense that Belly are less likely to trade lower I guess you're right fig.

But Waggy makes 4x the money

wagner still has no chance of winning , so i'd rather lay 50 than 200 , but if he was 200 i'd lay that too .

ok fair enough.

It looks a silly bet to me though.
There are much better 50/1 shots to lay for 'free money' in other markets.
Michelle Williams was 8 FFS

Cher makes 4x the money of Waggy too 

lol yep.
Laying her at a quarter the price looks a much better bet.

Samuel is a pro tho, so what do we know .

Wagner's song suggests a big production and a late slot, so if he puts on a decent performance I can only see the wagner wagon gathering more pace.

but he still won't win , i don't care if it goes lower .

1.02 tips, where can I sign up.

Wagner is an obvious entity. His price will depend on when they want rid of him and if there is any bullshining leaks about him. Press seems to be pretty aggressively against him from what I've seen on here but I could be wrong.

He could never win this show though, it's just not possible, so you are right. Would I be a layer at 50s, no. Who wants to build a massive long liability on a 1.02 shot?

He could never win this show though, it's just not possible, , so is it not free money then ???? just like picking it up in the street , except u have to wait a month or two .

if your a pro sammy, y do u need a loan ??

don't want to tie up money for that long mate , loan just easy peesy lemon squeezy . freesy money .

Im sure(being a PRO) you are aware of the campaign to get wagner to win instigated by the chap who kept joe mcelderry off top spot last xmas. Also excuse my maths but how you gettin 700 with 30k lay at 50s.

added a few quid myself mate , got a big bank but loan is just easy for the 30 k rather than lay 35 k myself and then only have around 40 k for other bets until christmas , but i'll win much more with that but still need the big bank for trading . yes i am aware of that but let's be honest , doesn't stand a chance . this is just free money no chance of winning not in a million years , u must know that even if u don;t like laying 50/1 shots . but it should be 1,000,000/1 .

2% return minus commision. You should get yourself a decent broker, most funds would easily beat that and just as safe provided you keep your eye on it. BTW pros do not shout about £700. What holiday is it paying for? Hope you are single or you will be after a week at Butlins in Skegness.
What a BS'er

have u seen the price of flights and hotels lately ???

no one has actually said he'll win ??? cause u all know he won;t , so it's free money .

i don't see the problem .

Oh right, I see. You're such a pro that you have to get a bank loan for £30,000

That really surprises me. You seem to really know your stuff. You also seem to be a bit of a shrewdie when it comes to risk management. I think that a £30,000 stake to win £600 less commission is not bad value at all. Actually 50 on here is 49/1. Let's assume you are paying 5% on winnings (which you probably are as you are a complete and utter bellend) then that's £612.24 you can lay at 50.0 so that's an easy £581.63 in your bin for a paltry loan of £30,000

Top bombing mate.

I would steer clear of my 'classic T V' thread if I where you SamuelMorse. [:(]

peter again u fail to understand the idea of value , laying a 1,000,000/1 at 50/1 is plain and simple one of the best bets ever on betfair , simple . come on ffs , wagner has no chance of winning , do u think he'll win ?????

there's a thread dedicated to this goon on cricket.  Makes a right larf reading if you have the time.

It's all fantasy of course.

another fan hi ted , get on this free money mate u won't regret it .

Morse is such an expert on value he decided to lay at 50 when others got matched at 30. That's what separates the pros like him from us mugs.

that was sh1t , lucky he has that hate cowell campaign cause he's gone this week otherwise .

free money delighted .

nice to see the price on the move out to 70 .

I think we really should ban any tips that suggest a 1/50 bet.

what's wrong with winning a few quid ???

You are 100% correct SamuelMorse. But you still havn't seen my 'Classic T V' thread. Have you ?

Its a decent bet to be fair
If he were to win then x factors reputation would be demolished, and they wouldn't let that happen

People are just trying to put perspective on your bet, if you are single with no kids or major responsibilities then its a solid bet

We seem to have forgotten that he is going to spend at least 1% in interest on the loan so that reduces his fictional winnings by £300!

again , what's so wrong with winning a few quid ????? i'm u'd rather back a 10/1 loser , than lay this , and it's a cert let's be real !!!

So where's the £30,000? (bets matched, Wagner to win)...

40.00              £1,895
42.00                £1,015
44.00                  £1,097
46.00                £1,285
48.00                £947
50.00                £1,862
55.00                £1,567
60.00               £852

another one who doesn't understand odds

How much did you lose backing him to go at evens last week Samuel? That was your MAX bet if I recall?

it was indeed according to the legend on the cricket forum

voided market , every week i am more shocked by the lack of knowledge and understanding here , no wonder it's so easy to make money ffs .

Good job it was voided Samuel eh?

Your opening gambit was "surely he has no chance of winning", as if you need reassurance? Why?

he has no chance , share good info mate why not ????? some people here really do need my help .

What about the facebook campaign?

what facebook campaign , where is it ????

put up the link because i can't find it .

You must admit Samuel you would have got it spectacularly wrong last Sunday? Laying 70/1 shots is the route to the poor house old boy (source- fellow professional).

where's the link mate ?????

I refer to your MAX Wagner lay at evens when he wasn't even bottom two and now you are advocating taking a small mortgage out to lay him in the outright when there is a "Rage Against The Machine" style campaign ongoing. Madness!

post the link mate or ur lying .

no reply , knew u were lying mate , i'm off to bed . i'll remember not to converse with a lier and an idiot like urself again .

dah-dit,di-dit,dah dah dit,di di di dit,dah

http://tv.uk.msn.com/reality-tv/xfactor/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155088157

Not to difficult to find actually. Sleep well.

hope u realise that the x factor outright winner market is not settled until the final show and winner is announced...so therefore if you lay an act that gets eliminated you wont get the money until AFTER the final show ...Bfair do this in case an act is reinstated...if you look at the X factor outright market , you will see that previous acts that have already been eliminated are still there in the market!!!

Yep - you'd be better off sticking the money is a savings account for a few months, at least that would also be guaranteed!

i don't mind waiting , it's just like picking money up in the street .

theres been talk for weeks about a large group of people voting for wagner and trying to get him to win in general protest at the x factor, similar to the people who made sure joe mcelderry didnt get to no. 1 last year at xmas.

you look in the papers on a saturday and the main focus is on wagner. why do u think the price has gone from 500 to 300 to 200 to 150 to 100 to 60 and so on? it aint co people have suddenly realised, wow hes amazing.

it simply shrewd people backing him at that price knowing that he will be trading shorter every week he gets through as this large group of people grows and they all vote for me.  many of them probably backing him aswell so they can make a tidy green on their phoen votes.

Hope this helps

Tune into Cricket for his latest busr bank

The newspapers always get there way in the end. Soon be time to collect S M.

correct mate , free money . the seethers HATE me winning and they'll be seething again no doubt lol

sammy why dont you tell every1 about you're last full bank bet
full bank meaning every penny in you're account
around 70k i believe according to earlier parts of this thread

mugws what a stalker .

just showing you up for what you are sammy boy

Looking good wrong 'un.

You need help you attention seeking monkey.

I may get myself one of these interest free, no set up fee loans, back Wagner with 1k of it and then spend the other £29000 making phone calls to ensure he wins. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;)

i wouldn't expect the mugs to understand .

Thought you were going down the imaginary beach for the day, Morse? Not like you to tell lies.

I find these people quite sad. Attention seekers in a fantasy world.

jealous .

SamuelMorse, have you the good grace to apologise for calling me a liar about the facebook campaign?

i still haven't seen the facebook page , when i see it i will say sorry .

I think hes value to win it at 50-1 . Hes doing well in the polls and cann't sing any worse ,could he?

Anybody heard from Samuel lately?[;)]

Hey Samuel where are you?

Your thread would be a good one if you'd posted it today when he's @ 13.5 rather than 70!

Have you honestly borrowed £50,000 to try and win £750? You must be having a few misgivings now?

ffs mug , he still has no chance of winning . that is fact .

that is fact ffs mug mug

he won't win , anyone who thinks he will is a muppet .

DONKEY.

YOU WERE TOLD. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Biggest bellend thread 2010.

You obviously haven't read any of Lou's then pete! [;)]

I really hope not, but this could go down as the worst tip ever made on these forums!

LOL Helmuthian Folds

I don't count Lou as human. He's just an annoying attention seeking idiot who spouts a load of cobblers.

10-1 Wagner, deary deary me. It's all a waste of everyone's time anyways. The clown OP would not get an unsecured loan or secured loan with no set up fee, let alone lay a dopy bet at 50.0 to make £581.63 if he's paying 5% commission. Great way of risking £30,000...... not.

It's probably just some spotty kid being a bellend. There's a lot of gullible idiots out there amongst the general public and the same goes on these forums. I can't believe how stupid some people are.

Copy and paste up your book for us Sammy, go on [:p]

ffs , he did win yet = no . will he win = no . just have to wait for the money , he has no chance of winning the show . that is a fact.

he's still a great price to lay if anyone wants to follow a professional among the idiots here .

show us the book

how come no one ttt'd this when he went ????

that's right no one likes a winner

oh and thanks for the money mugs .

tbf I'm pretty sure the 50s backers who laid off at 9s feel the same way as well.

WD though, you were essentially right.

Samuel

You'll find a lot of that on here.  Well done.  He did hang on unexpectedly for a few extra weeks but went in the end.

Wouldn't finish off with the "oh and thanks for the money mugs" bit myself though.

Wonder if he's spent the 50p winnings yet?

lol well done on laying a 50/1 loser that traded sub 10