THE SUN..PAGE 9..."Wagner saved by Facebook Plotters"

Wote Vagner!!!!111

WAGGY WAGGY WAGGY ! OI OI OI !

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Wagner - X Factor

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just had a few quid on at 125.  Down to 85 now on here. A sea of blue on odds checker.  LOL.

33/1 the lowest.

All the 125/1's gone now, and just SJ left at 100/1

Thankfully just had a few more £ on with B365 @80-1. Now 50-1.

just invited 593 friends

Lol nice one alfie

I think I really will start a facebook page "Vote Wagner!" and then advertise it on the home page to all those with X Factor in their interests. About 20p per 1000 page impressions, gotta be worth a few quid to protect my investment

sids still 100s i cant get a bet on there but may just call them anyway

Don't go too overboard alfie

tried but cant get any on jack

66s disappearing now

This has to go down as the biggest X Factor price crash in history surely 170's to 44's in a day, midweek

the power of a social forum

25s in a place

Like your thinking, Jack - saw The Social Network yesterday & I love the idea of Wagner doing a reverse-Susan Boyle, and becoming a global viral sensation as the anti-Cowell contestant. Have invited FB friends to join Wagner FB support pages. Recommend others do likewise. There appear to be a few. What's needed if for them to all join together somehow. They need to coalesce.
Can get the same thing snowballing on Twitter - embed FB link and send to followers.
'This is just the beginning'

With this campaign behind him he should be at LEAST the same as Mary from Tesco's at 18's

I calculate he should be 1.06

i calculate he should be 100000-1

lou then you are not understanding the power of viral marketing

nick

Oops sorry.  Make that 200000-1

what would you dare lay him at lou?

I think you missed a few 000000's of Lou

nick

54/1 currently.  But I think he should be 200000-1

Knew Wagners price would do this. Would love it if they went bananas and shoved it sub 10s like Jedward last year, then I'd really smash some lays.

Yeh

The great Jedward finished 6th last year didn't they??

What mugs back these people?

yeah lou i know what he is, but what price would you honestly be prepared to lay him at, 2 different things. i'd be really worried if i had hugely laid him for top 3, because this kind of concerted anti push can have a huge impact

He was bound to last the first few weeks so was a perfect trade if you wanted to add a lil profit to your book.

i did,backed at 50s-100s and layed mid teens

nick

I wouldn't be worried at all if I'd laid him for top 3.  Worst act I've ever seen in the finals.

nickf,,,,got betfair to stick a top 3 market to help those in trouble

this is very different to jedward, make no mistake about it. those two t wats were the most obnoxious odiuos little twerps ever to draw breath, wagner is a lovely lovely man with a great soul, not great soul as in singing soul btw. and this campaign is much more orchestrated. there will be people out there extremely worried by this development

alfie

Don't think I'll be needing it but thanks for the heads up.

ha ha lou i was thinking more so the high st who had him at 25s today

lou, i'm trying hard to make a distinction here, between his quality and his vote winning potential.

no-one is doubting that he is a joke and should not be in the finals, but that is not the point. what IS the point is how popular someone can prove, for whatever reason, and wagner has large vote gathering potential, largely because he is so bad and because there is an orchestrated campaign to disrupt the process.

innit

alfie

Oh I see.

nickf**kface Joined: 18 Jan 05
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this is very different to jedward, make no mistake about it. those two t wats were the most obnoxious odiuos little twerps ever to draw breath, wagner is a lovely lovely man with a great soul, not great soul as in singing soul btw. and this campaign is much more orchestrated. there will be people out there extremely worried by this development

nah, their won't.

there will be a few amused by it I should imagine.

Yes I must admit I'm trembling in my boots that he might get more votes than Matt.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Nick: "wagner is a lovely lovely man"

I take it you missed the "Wagner sex pest" stories at the weekend? Sunday Mirror I think it was, check it out.

angela, i know you have a large vested interest in matt, and so do you lou, so i can understand you might be a little blinkered to the potential of a mass orchestrated social network campaign, but let me assure you it's not to be dismissed lightly. depends on how organised it becomes, how possible it looks; there are hordes of the middle classes who would love to be part of an organised coup like this whereby an anti hero like wagner wins or comes close to winning x factor. personally i dont thhink he will beat matt or the boyband, but i would be absolutely petrified if i had laid him at huge prices. laugh as much as you like...

wonder if it came down to it, whether a few wagner lines might end up being engaged....

nick

That's all fine of course.  I wouldn't be petrified if I'd have laid him though.

ah what a load of old b ollocks onthehush, just a red blooded brazilian. you can tell he's a nice guy, depsite what the c rappy tabloids try to drum up

Must admit I like him .................. but think he has no chance of winning whatsoever.

To be fair, John said himself that he's a nice man:

"‘I don't like bullies. He is a nice man, but he was very misguided about etiquette and being polite. He was just always grabbing people and it was intimidating."

Think the papers have got a bit ott with their stories, as should be expected

I can't see the masses being so stupid as to protest against Cowell by giving him his biggest income.

jack

He hasn't 'grabbed' me at all and if he did I didn't feel it.  Now I know I've only got a small one but .........

I can't see the masses being so stupid as to protest against Cowell by giving him his biggest income.

I can Henry

The damage to Cowell's reputation is what is at stake here. Imagine if Wagner won, or even got to the final. Everyone  would know he was only there as an anti-Cowell protest vote, on live TV. Wagner would be attacking the Cowell empire from within  

A lot of people thought the RATM campaign was an impossibility. Instead, it has proved to be a watershed in what the social forum and a large bunch of saddoes can achieve.

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^share. [;)]

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love it, I'll send it around

i have it as my fb profile pic

top man badgerbite lucky you were "on the ball" this morning

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thanks alfie....he should romp home now on saturday with this much support, and then the world can start to believe the unthinkable !

Lol! I made an identical one, with almost the same octopus pic and using the same picture of Matt

Your's is better though!

Isn't this entirely predictable and to script?!  Price crash, anti-Cowell vote, X Factor in turmoil etc. We've been here before...

I don't think this has got the mileage of RATM, more of a Jedward look to me, despite the viral campaign.

And anyone thinking that Wagner is a 'lovely, lovely man' needs to listen to the foul mouthed phone rant!

Anyway, while it could be enough to see him into the last eight, even last six, I'm with Lou - can't see this getting as far as the last three.

People may vote for him once as a joke, but they're not going to do it over a sustained period of eight weeks.  ROTM was a one week hit - this is far more difficult to achieve...

Tend to agree Dizzy. The difference between RATM and Waggy is this:

RATM was seen by its supporters as a true protest song - complete with the 'f**k you' etc lyric - and the majority were not only passionate about the anti-Cowell protest but the song itself. A generation grew up with that song, and it was a brilliant choice; I can't think of many other songs that would've been successful (they're trying again this year with John Cage's 4'33" - four and a half mins of silence. We'll see).

The Waggy campaign, on the other hand, is asking Cowell-haters to vote for an act they are very unlikely to have the same passion for, and may not even know (if you really hate Cowell you simply don't watch  the X Factor). And not only to vote/buy once, but to multi-vote, and week after week.

I'd love the campaign to succeed - it would be live TV gold - and the price crash today has been amazing But imo for Waggy backers, it's now about when this whole thing is likely to run out of steam, and just how low he is likely to go.

(Thinly veiled 'I've already layed' post - for all the reasons above. GL to all Waggy backers at enormous prices )

exactly

half a million rebels can take the xmas no.1

but the xf final will have 16 million viewers

beating someone like Matt or Rebecca goes against the grain for most viewers..who have followed their favourites for 12 weeks

game on for xmas though

or should that be gamu on [;)]

Be careful lads.I think Wagner will last a few shows but late on the voting is very high.It will cost any campaign millions and millions to make a point.
It's not like the RATM thing.I have won a bit keep waggy in but he won't last forever.If you want a bet for the winner Rebecca is something totally new loved by millions
who is a totally genuine shy girl who is just improving like a rocket every week.

pmbets

Do you really think she's improving 'like a rocket' each week.  I would have had her last weeks performance as a touch better than her first two but been pretty much been the same standard every week .... quite good.

The Wagner campaign has the potential to be far more damaging than the RATM Christmas No1. The motivation is massive among Cowell/X Factor haters, as a win for Wagner would be a mortal blow to the entire format – it would be karmic; a poetic end as Cowell is taking the p*ss now.

Have I understood this correctly?  The Baldricks on Facebook have developed another cunning plan to annoy Simon Cowell.  This time the plan is to spend the next few weekends sending their hard earned money into Cowell's bank account via multiple phone votes for Wagner.  I have sympathy for the revoutionary zeal of Johnny and others on here.  However, perhaps there are better ways of overthrowing evil capitalist empires than by sending them money.

This weekend will be revealing...I suspect we might see the show itself get right behind the Waggy campaign(in subtle ways, of course.)

No one will be more keen than them to turn this into an x factor v anti x factor vote. More votes, more viewers, more advertising revenue, more headlines.

They tried their best with jedward(the sun leak about them topping the vote must have been planned) but ultimately it wouldn't take off. Slightly better chance this year.

Peter is right...keep sending money to Cowell and he will be beaten

even cowells gonna be ramping wagner
@TEAM WAGNER Inc

it's a paradox peter, but i think it's true. cowell gets a bit more for extra phone votes but suffers the utter ignominy of wagner winning x factor just as he is about to launch it in america. it's beautiful - a 1m contract for a man that cant sing or dance, it would be the ultimate humiliation. i dont think it will happen, but i am wary of the power of viral marketing, and i dont think it is totally impossible for it to gather enough momentum, though deejayric does make good points in mitigation...

I backed Waggy at big prices, so am delighted to see the price tumbling.  However, I do not think he will win.  Even if he gets loads of public support and is in the last 2 – he will still not win imo.  Waggy has already pointed out that the public do not decide who wins – Cowell does.  If anyone genuinely wanted to protest against the show and Cowell, why don’t they just stop watching?

and another thing...

Why do people say it’s an anti-Cowell vote.  I would like to see Waggy win, but it has nothing to do with it being anti-Cowell, it’s simply because I stand to make a nice few quid out of it.  I suspect others are in the same position as me.  Perhaps, if it was sold as a betting-coup as opposed to this anti-Cowell bollox, more people would jump on.  Then we can all lay off at 1.5 just before he gets beaten.

because realistically its the only way he can win

wagner acknowleges support on social forum an that he has a special treat for us on sat

I'd prefer to see the campaign be a little more positive tbh. Wagner has a strong enough and likable enough character that he can command a big cult following with the right exposure. Sure, the anti x factor rhetoric is needed to grab headlines, but it shouldn't be the sole driving force as it could be counter productive.

Nick,

As you say, I'm sure that Cowell wouldn't want Wagner to win.  A higher quality winner would be better for the credibility of the X Factor brand in the US.  However, it wouldn't make much difference.  X Factor has only ever produced one credible winner - Leona.  As a result, Leona is trotted out every year to remind us of that credibility.  Meanwhile, most of the other winners from Brookstein to Leon are simply written out of history.  In the same way, Cowell could simply use Leona again in the US for credibility purposes and ignore Wagner, if he were to win.

Also, the Americans didn't take to Will Young when he was used to help establish the American Idol brand and there is no-one in this year's X Factor who is better than Will IMHO.  I suspect that Cowell will use crossovers from his years in American Idol to help establish X Factor eg Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood.  They will have more clout with US viewers that any UK winner, and Cowell can justifiably argue that he was a major part in launching their careers.

Peter - you can make the same argument regarding the RATM single being part of same Cowell label. We all know Cowell is like the house in casinos and always wins, and if it follows true to form you might expect positive comments from him for Wagner, so the show can run with the story for many weeks yet. More phone revenue, more Iove Wagner/I detest Wagner viewers, more heat around the show... etc, etc it's the way the whole thing works. But as nick points out, when he's about to try and launch the format in the US it would be a total embarrassment for him if Wagner ends up being the winner. It's not about being revolutionary, it's about a viral campaign that could, just could snowball into something unprecedented, and it would be f*cking hilarious if it came to pass.

Screw Loose: They tried their best with jedward(the sun leak about them topping the vote must have been planned) but ultimately it wouldn't take off. Slightly better chance this year.

There was no 'leak'. Jedward were B4 that week. The Sun were just guessing. Hope that helps.

I think that's a stretch Peter to describe Leona as 'credible'. You could maybe try and say the same thing about Susan Boyle, based on the fact they cracked America. But that doesn't equate to credibility; it just shows the power of marketing, and the lack of discernment among the general masses when it comes to music.

JR - I do wonder why you are so keen to kill the golden goose? Not only could it be a death knell to publicly voted entertainment shows. It would in all probability mean most high street bookies not bothering to price any of it up and would also lower betting volume on betfair as most of the punters on here would lose confidence in the public vote.
Personally I love Wagner being in there on the back of an anti establishment vote but would not like him to win on the back of an organised campaign.

cj- it wouldn't destroy the other shows, just Cowell hopefully (and of course it won't)

Johnny,

I'm happy to concede that Leona is not credible (based on both your taste and mine).  However, Cowell uses her for credibility purposes (otherwise why doesn't he invite back someone like Leon).  If we agree that Leona is not credible then there is IMHO no-one from X Factor history who is credible, so I don't understand why another incredible winner would make much difference to anyone.

You mentioned the RATM campaign.  If there had been no RATM campaign then Joe would have sold 500,000 copies of his single, Cowell would have got his 20% cut, and Joe would have got the Christmas No 1.  With the RATM campaign, Joe still sold 500,000 copies, Cowell still got his cut, Sony got their cut of the RATM sales, and Joe's No 1 was delayed for a week.  Some would describe this as a triumph for the RATM campaign.  However, this one week delay in Joe's No 1 was achieved by the RATMers spending around £500,000 of their own money for just over 500,000 copies of a track which either they already owned or which they didn't want at any point prior to the campaign.  Irrespective of this campaign, Cowell has just signed a new 3 year contract with ITV for millions.  It seems to me that the only people who lost out in all of this were the RATMers.

FWIW I agree that it would be funny if Wagner won but, as CJ says, not if that involved ruining a show which provides a good deal of harmless fun for millions including most people on this forum.

if I remember rightly, Cowell phoned the guys that organised the RATM campaign last year and congratulated them...I think I also remember Cowell saying he would like to get them to work for him.  This year the same guys are encouraging voters to multi-vote for Waggy.  As Cowell would say...absolutely brilliant.

The people behind RATM now seem to be doing it full time, ie their business is now getting internet advertising revenue. They need Cowell, Cowell benefits from them, they all benefit except the idiot public who give them their money.

Maybe they said yes to Cowell's job offer and are working with him to try get this campaign going Because to be brutally honest, those "facebook campaign" headlines came completely out of the blue - there was no major movement underway until the papers started shouting about it, thus making it happen.

Peter

The RATM campaign was a good old fahioned xmas no.1 battle and we won.

It was a bit of xmas fun.We didn't spend £500k.We spent 29pence here and there to get involved and stick two fingers up at the world.

oh and Cheryl wasn't happy either

mikeey....the public decide who win don't they? the final 3, it's all based on viewer votes and the judges don't decide...unless they've changed it this year

yes, the public vote for the winner but Cowell tells them who to vote for

Wagner wears Rebecca T shirt and asks the public to vote for Rebecca on his video diary, as he loves everything about her. The man has excellent taste

AA

I hope you are well. 

Ok.  At 29p a copy the costs involved in RATM are lower than I had thought (still almost £150,000 for 500,000 though), and you're probably correct that RATM was just a bit of fun for most.  Nobody really got hurt by it.  However, the main point here is that it made absolutely no difference to the Cowell money making juggernaught which just keeps rolling along.  I didn't know that Cowell had offered jobs to the RATM organisers but that just strengthens this main point further. 

Viral marketing is not a threat to Cowell.  It's another tool for him to add to his already considerable marketing clout.  It's another way of generating publicity for the shows - at no cost to Cowell.  Others are arguing that a viral pro-Wagner campaign can be used to bring down the Cowell empire, or, at least to disrupt the launch of X Factor USA.  I don't think it would have that effect at all.

I won't make the same mistake again and try to calculate the costs of a two month Wagner campaign in terms of the costs of the phone votes needed to make it work - most of which money would go to Cowell.  You or someone else would no doubt point out that my sums were wrong.  However, the cost would be considerable.  If people are happy to spend that money, for a laugh, in the off chance that the campaign would work then that's up to them.  If they think that a successful campaign would hurt Cowell, though, then I think they are very wrong.  As someone else said earlier in the thread, if you want to hurt Cowell then the best way to do it is to stop watching the show.

Cheers PP

Cowell phoned them up,congratulated them and offered them jobs.He even gave an interview/cover story to the NME one week before xmas as well ffs.
He's just too good at all this.

The campaign has no chance.
The show is just too big and too popular.
I love it,its harmless nonsense and doesn't stop me retreating to my Cocteau Twins mix collection on Spotify afterwards [:p]

i like that, mix high culture with low culture aa

I wanna see Wagner do 'Iceblink Luck'

[:D][:D]

Also imagine if WAGNER were to win.

All those who backed him with the High Street bookies would have their bets voided under rule.

And this is the rule they would quote:


8. RIGGING

Where there is evidence of price, race, match or event rigging we reserve the right to make the bet void or withhold payment of returns pending the outcome of any subsequent investigation.

Perhaps someone could start up a viral marketing campaign for an X Factor theme week where the songs are chosen by the Betfair Specials forum.  Even I would support that one.

a wagner win would be a resounding win for the high st bookie, of course they would pay out