If John goes no further in this competition....

At least I doubt he will go much further...

Around for a good few weeks yet.  The star of last night's show.  In with a shout.

What does that mean Figgy?

Five

Strange that.  We've all got our own opinions obviously but to put him 8/14 is very harsh in anyone's book surely.

Yep, I'd have him Top 3 on last night, but it's an improvement on last week and he wasn't B3 then.

Nicolo was bottom last week and this week it's stormy boy.
It was often way out last year though.

I really think john has potential to emerge from nowhere in the public's eyes but these next few weeks - even tonight - is gonna be tough for him. The judges aren't crazy for him so he can't slip in that bottom three or that's it

And passion of course, which they are always banging on about

Like I said on the thread last night, it's a reverse version of crying wolf

John's positive comments are lost amongst the ridiculous hyperbole for others, and him being fantastic doesn't fit the agenda anyway

Isn't it a shame that a nice guy with such a great voice can be considered "too good for X Factor" and essentially hasn't got much of a chance of winning! As Cheryl said, if you turn the lights out on all of the contestants - john is easily one of the top vocal talents. I know that if he clings on in there, he can go far - but these early weeks are a real stich up for him, having to compete with comedy crap. The judges unfortunately don't know real talent when they see it and will vote him out if he's in the sing off. It's a shame that they are driven by publicity rather than the real talent on their own bloody show!

The money is in the soap opera/circus.

Any royalties or whatever pale into insignificance when compared to the tv money.

They want to control to a certain extent who wins, but it isn't to make money out of music sales, it's to perpetuate the myth of success.

But come on, im right when i say the judges don't know real talent - and sometimes this fact backfires on them!!! Brookstein, Ward and Jackson - all pretty much failed since winning. Leona was a true success and alexandra seems to be going well at the moment. Time will obviously tell on Joe.

The point im making is that the judges' don't seem to have the ability to look long-term and beyond the obvious. John is a bit of a nobody now because of having no publicity - but this doesn't mean he wouldn't end up making the most money in the long term. They are too interested in the here and now. And that really bugs me.

watched gain was amazig performance

novelty...you are right about the judges, they all are either manafactured pop stars or manage manafactured acts....i mean how many proper bands (examples weather you like them or not like the killers, kasabian, coldplay, kings of leon green day) have louis or simon discovered ?....i would suggest none.

all they are bothered about is their act has a modocum of success that last about 6 months after the next years competition starts.

Cowell is a marketing genius, he knows little about music.

Some of the crap Cowell came out with last night was quite frankly embarrassing. Making it out that some of those acts could be number one etc next week was just ridiculous. He over hyped Danyl last year to the point where people didn't like it. The same could happen with One Direction if he keeps on like that.

may be coincidental [;)] but seeing that this year you can download on itunes simon is hardly critising any act.his remarks after cher's performance was embarrassing.

I might fig if he avoids b3 tonight

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