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why did you back the two boys if you weren't sure if gmau was going back in?
surely if the worry of gamu was enough to stop you putting £400 on matt, then it was enough to stop you putting £136 on aiden? |
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i dont personally care whether lou has backed them all or none of them. couldnt give a flying f uck and not sure why everyone else is. no reason to think he is not a genuine guy in my eyes though.
yes i already said simon doesnt always pick the category he thinks will win, he spreads it around, but i feel this time he thinks he can be the one, after 5 fallow years (altho obviusly we know he is the winner every time, of course) he wants to be the one to win with the groups. its this time.... |
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i couldn't care less if he's backed any of them or not, but i find the "holier than thou, honest guy" act a bit much.
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yeah lou does go on a bit, but no reason to doubt his honesty, at least imo.
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papa
Don't know why you deliberately try to trip me up but you never will because I'm simply telling the truth ........ you should try it sometimes. I backed the two boys at 38 and 12 which I thought I couldn't go far wrong with. Aiden particularly I thought would go very far but would ultimately lay off (which i probably will as I think Matt the better of the two) and Nicolo I thought might even win it to so could surely lay off much lower ........... I was wrong there of course. You're real spiteful aren't you. You don't like the idea that i won't agree with you and the rest of the troop and that I pick one act out who i think will win. I notice you never actually say who you fancy. No doubt you're green on all of them. Wonderful crystal bal, you have that let's you know every price that will drop/go higher. George Brush is at least a decent enough fellow who likes his banter but I think he's pretty fair to be honest. You're just a horrible fellow aren't you. Shame. |
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nickf**kface Joined: 18 Jan 05
Replies: 3134 11 Oct 10 10:19 cowell wanting them to win is half the battle they'll win or at the very very least lose in the final two Not the way it works anymore. Cowell was desperate for DJ to win last year, and it showed, and was an extra repellent against his act. I think Cowell being manager is now just a big handicap for any artist, as things stand I think he wants them to win, but I don't think he cares that much anymore, and would happily ditch them if needs be. |
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People Cowell has been desperate to win:
Leona Rhydian Shane Ward Danyl Johnson Leona was too good to lose, Ward had no competition, and Rhydian with Cowells guidance should have cruised it, but he got beat, Danyl towards the end was nowhere to be seen. Cowell being manager nowadays is a negative, and a Cowell early push is usually a negative too. GL as always bud. They twittered pretty well, and with 5 mini Eoghans they should definitely be very competitive if Cowell doesn't push them, they will need to up their performances and get mini Giggs to start taking the lionshare of the singing. |
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Just for you papa
What's your answer to this? I've learnt how to cut n' paste a bet from my account. I can even take away the reference nunber or whatever it is. Proof? UK / The X Factor 2010 / Winner Aiden Grimshaw Back 07-Oct-10 00:32 12 135.00 12 07-Oct-10 13:21 |
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Doh, was checking to see if I'd layed you any of that, but no
 Have lays as high as 12.5 on my book though |
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PMSL!! i just think there are a few holes in your story, and the reasons you gave for not revealing which one of the acts you'd layed last friday were simply ridiculous.
you've not really explained why the possibility of gamu's returned stopped you investing in matt, but not aiden, but each to their own. personally, i don't fancy any of them right now. quite like the tone of rebecca's voice, but i've learned not to let my personal tastes influence my betting. i'd definitely be against a few of them though, for instance cher and katie cannot possibly win this. matt is likeable and can sing but needs to develop a personality. if he doesn't then i'd be against him. aiden has a good chance, but starting so well probably isn't that good for his long term prospects. mary won't win but will stick around for a while. one direction will be given the best possible chance as they'd be a great result for cowell, but they really need to improve. funnily enough i do have a small green on each contestant. i was away this weekend so couldn't see the live shows or results, but i layed all 12 contestant last week, as i was very confident that all 4 wildcards would become full contestants. since then i've layed the 4 wildcards, have a small green position on each, and the show starts properly for me this weekend. let battle commence. |
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My main bet so far this lad, but donked it off.
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hey angela, hope all's good, well done last night, sounds like you had it right off
re your post though, strongly strongly disagree. cowell did NOT want rhydian to win.he calculated that if rhydian came 2nd he would be ok anyway and it would give a push to leon if he won. hence the amazingly biased VTs during the show that won it for leon, where they showed him as the nice underdog and rhydian as the pompous, pubic school, welsh, rugby playing drongo. that was a calculation by cowell. and re last year and danyl, i got the impression that the negative press that did for danyl was a real surprise to sc. normay the whole press machine is so orchestrated and slick, but sc did not expect those bully stories, or the gay ones. also, danyl was actually very annoying, and i think after while sc saw much more potential in joe mcelderery. shane and leona - of course simon wanted them to win, they were so superior to the rest. simon cant actually rig a phone vote anymore but he can influence the nation's feelings and mood by the way he portrays the artists. and this time, with the show having never had a group winner and with the big US launch later this year, i think he not only thinks a group winner will be good for the show, but he feels he can manipulate them to a win. ffs, everything so far has been carefully planned - give the young boys air time and then not put them through - this was planned, the boys were lined up, everything has been carefully orchestrated. and i am not underestimating the power of 5 good looking young teenagers singing ballads and looking all cute can have on the female voting public. its gonna happen angela, get on mate |
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LOL lou. it's obviously not proof of anything, but it doesn't really matter. let's just say i believe you. not sure why you care if i do though.
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aidan has peaked too soon
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Gym
For the last time. I was very worried about Gamu who I thought was the best of the girls. Good singer, cute, came across very sweet and could move too. I was holding back on backing Matt at about 9/2 because of that. The difference with backing Aiden though was he was 11-1. I only had to put £135 on him to win £1500. I strongly felt HONESTLY that he would surely be better than an 11-1 shot (mind you I though the same about Nicolo). I wasn't to know he's odds would more than half overnight but of course glad they have. Hope that makes everything clear. |
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Was a good night last night, Wade winning the darts was the real winner. I see what you're saying. I'm convinced he wanted Rhydian to win still and Leon was a horror of a result for him, so we will remain to amicably disagree there!
I think Dannis stock as a judge is at an all time high, so the kids with her and then SC getting behind them, would have been the best forumula imho. I liked Aiden, but when a contestants price halves, it's definitely time to jump ship on this show especially, at this stage. GL as always bud. |
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My reasoning as well Lou.
It's all about the VALYOO  Thankfully for us, they gave him the pimp slot, a killer song, and the lad and the arrangement excelled, and we got a half price exit strategy completed within 48 hours. |
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Angela
I won't lay any off yet. Think hell reach 2/1 soon so holding on. Got a real chance of winning it. |
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Very fair strategy. GL as always bud.
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re: Rhydian/Leon
the VTs showing Rhydian to be an idiot, posh pompous tw@t, weirdo, etc. were mostly before the Live Shows and tied in with Sharon's dislike of him. His singing ability and true personality overcame that pretty quickly once the Live Shows began although his "styling" was a little odd at times. SCowell was unable to hide his disappointment at the result in the final with his speech to Rhydian where he clearly gave the result away and with how gutted he looked (I don't think he is THAT good an actor), and hasn't he since admitted in a book or something how major a disappointment that result was for him. |
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^^^^^^ this
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agree with squares there, that cowell wanted rhydian to win.
personally don't think he wanted danyl to win at all last year. |
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^^^^^ this too, although he maybe fancied him in the very early stages
By the end he wanted to beat his face in with a Pete Sampras tennis racket with the rest of us |
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of course its a huge disappointment to him now, leon was a disaster
we cant go back and check the VTs now but i remember the talk in my office, which was a production co, was about how amazingly favourable the vts and the coverage was. there is little doubt in my mind that cowell pushed leon thinking that if he won he had a chance, if he lost he lapsed into obscurity, whereas rhydian would be ok. i really do believe the vts and the coverage can help influence a result. also, wasnt simon rhydian's mentor, of course he was outwardly disappointed |
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danni was rhydian's mentor. and leon's too.
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Cowell has an ego, a massive ego. And he also has an obsession with credibility, especially in the US markets, what with that being the real test, and his plans to take X Factor over there. He's always wanted the winning act to do well over there. Post Leona he craved it more and more. No way he'd have wanted Leon to win the show, Rhydian was a great original talented winner, and I reckon he was desperate for him to win. He almost definitely wanted Danyl to win last year, but as others stipulated, he probably despised the strange lad towards the end!
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He was fuming about the bedroom antics of course
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what's danyl up to these days?
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Only cos he got to miss out on all the fun no doubt.
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yep
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hi agree with you on simon craving and coveting america, but i think the consensus was that rhydian was too weird and too welsh
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They gave him the pimp slot, it's always the unequivocal sign of who he and 'they' want to win imho. Still amazed Rhydian never won personally!
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Angela
I've always said Rhydian the best ever I've seen on this. Truly fantastic. Leona, Alexandra and Joe all very good but I thought he was a class above them. Shocking how he never won by a country mile. |
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Think that was his problem. I assumed he was home and hosed, I think the majority of the country did, and the Scots attacked the Leon phone voting with monsterous tartan spirit. Massive loss that was for me, wiped out all my eviction winnings, felt bad that!
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they gave who the pimp slot?
giving someone the pimp slot in week 1 doesn't make them winners.... |
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Pimp slots are just planned with who's looking good in rehearsal near the start. More Machiavellian towards the end
The show must finish on a high note, as Saturday proved yet again |
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Referring to Rhydian in the final.
Pimp slot means feck all in Week 1, agreed. |
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Angela Rebecchi: Cowell was desperate for DJ to win last year.
That's simply not true; Cowell may have liked Danyl at the start of the show but due to behind the scenes problems, he realised he was a liability and didn't want him to win in the end. |
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Referring to Rhydian in the final.
some interesting thought on this. how did the final work with the timing of phonelines opening that year? wasn't there something about leon going first out of the final 2 actually gave people more time to vote for him? and don't forget they gave leon kylie minogue to sing with, while rhydian did a rather dull performance with katherine jenkins which had zero chemistry! |