Bookie Odds - They already know the 12

Wow, Chepsters wife posts under the name Johnny 'honk' Fartpants! [;)]

nobody knows anything lol what a stupid feckin statement more so where XF is involved

somebody always knows something

It's his reasoning for saying it aj which makes him right.

not much point now

Looking at the odds it seems B.Sq and 888 definitely think they know the final 12. Way shorter on some of the longer priced ones than everyone else (Katie, Nicolo, John, Storm,FYD)

Looking at the odds it seems B.Sq and 888 definitely think they know the final 12. Way shorter on some of the longer priced ones than everyone else (Katie, Nicolo, John, Storm,FYD)

A week or two ago B.Sq had the best prices for most of those. Only allowed a pittance though, a bit more at 888 who also had a couple of good prices.

Hi all,

Can I just say (& it will come to no surprise to some [smiley:crazy] ) that I know nothing more than is written on here. I cannot speak for compilers at other firms but my guess is that most of the names in this thread (Helmuthian excluded) know far more than most firms currently betting on X Factor.

I expect the short prices on the rumoured 12 are heavily down to 'reaction' (to bets) rather than prior info.

Some of the prices traded (with us) at this stage are amazing. We have layed Cher Lloyd to the hills (and mainly at 3/1 / 10/3 ). The point I make is this would never have happened had there been a BF Outright Market!!!!

To cover my back completely, the toat stopped betting on the outright winner at the point I believed (with updates on here from Topper Robson) they reached the judges House Stage.

Anyway we are back up (PLUG!) !!!!

It also goes without saying that if you backed anybody that ended up in a group (one major posting forumite in particular) you still have the group as a runner.

In short, good luck all & roll on December when AlanJZ can top up our Christmas Fund!!!! 

. . . .& thanks JFP

vw said Chepster.

And nice work if you can get it - reminding us of what we are being deprived of

I cannot speak for compilers at other firms.

But thats exacly what we are all wondering about. I say all; meaning those of us desperatley clinging to straws of hope that Gamu is not out.

And thats not only  because some of us are on @ 10+. I am sure that its not just me and there are some other music fans here who feel we have something special in Gamus voice and we want to hear Gamu sing another dozen or so songs.

She will sing her but off everytime.

Furthermore, learned from years around racing and racing people, not all "insiders" or people who believe they have an edge understand odds, %ages and therefore value so they can still dive in too quickly and take poor odds.

Well said Chep.

You can pay me later

i think all bookies ( ours included) are pretty certain of 10 of the final 12, there are some doubts about Gamu who im hoping isnt in as we have her for a decent amount.  There might be a bit of confusion about the Over 28s as well, ive heard some rumours that Elesha Moses gets through but im not sure who'd miss out.  All will be revealed Sunday evening though

The only rumour I've heard about Elesha is that she got through as a replacement at Louis' house, which Louis has since confirmed.

She replaced a sweet girl who alas had mental problems, problems that anybody who saw her audition would have immediately been aware of.

Elesha being the contestant who was a late addition to JH stage to replace Shirleena, who was booted out after all the press over her mental health issues?

She didn't really get shown much in the auditions did she.

Chepster - "It also goes without saying that if you backed anybody that ended up in a group (one major posting forumite in particular) you still have the group as a runner"

You lot put me off this idea.

So you're going to honour bets on long shot boys and girls who ended in groups Cheps?

You must have layed a mountain on old Cher

Don't have an open Tote account anyway tbf and I guess most other bookies won't be doing this, so maybe I haven't lost out. I guess you haven't taken much on the other boys in the group that were 66s though?

I don't think he had them quoted did he besides Liam and Rebecca.

That would explain it Johnny

SHHHHHHuuuuuuusssssshhhhhh!

Yes GB we have Cher for chunks!!!

A bit to much (if the truth beknown). If you cant lay a 3/1, on a show like this prior to it starting, you shouldnt be betting on it imo.

She will open about 6.0 on here and slowly get backed into to . . . . 5.9[:D]

Christ, I only wish I could have layed her Cheps. Still will be at 6

Btw

Back on topic, I reckon the spoilers will be out by a margin

how many would you say GB?

Wasn't Rachel the only late surprise last year?

And Ruth the previous year?

Just one or two. I reckon Keri is in there.

No evidence other than that photo mind

Did last year's spoiler not get Rachel sq?  I thought it was spot on?

might have been earlier spoilers where someone other than Rachel was named - Nicole maybe, although was confusing with there being a Nicole in Girls and another Nicole in Olds.

Just one or two. I reckon Keri is in there.
No evidence other than that photo mind

Do you mean this photo George?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1314736/X-Factor-Fears-Cher-Lloyd-looking-frail.html

Indeed Henry, although as Sq pointed out, no guarantee it was taken when said

Who is the girl between Cher and Weasel?

And is that Treyc and the end looking grim?

Surely not Treyc, don't know who that is...

I don't know about those two either, probably a DS thread somewhere naming everybody.

I took the Keri photo as just an error as they name her Rebecca F and they say Cher "strolled around with other X Factor contestants, including Katie Waissel" but Keri is the only one of the 3 who looks alone. Nothing special about Keri, very plain, but very good reasons for the tipped 3 to be correct.

The bottom two photos of Gamu and another "were also in the city" but it looks like they've been binned, I don't think the final 12 would be left on their own hauling their luggage.

1 x pic of Cher with a member of XF staff.

1 x pic of Cher with camera crew.

1 x pic of Cher, Katie and assume it is TreyC by height and  appearance.

(those pics look to be on the same day in the same location as Cher is wearing the same clothes)

1 x pic of Keri Arrindell (labelled as Rebecca Ferguson) alone

1 x pic of Katie alone, but in same clothes as previous pic.

Final 2 pics - Raquel and Gamu but looks like they are in or outside of the same office? bulding and both pulling suitcases.

So 6 of the final 8 girls pictured.

1 x pic of Katie alone, but in same clothes as previous pic.

Look carefully, the lovely but hopeless Katie is not alone here either.

it's the member of staff from the first pic with Cher

trying to work out the company name behind Raquel

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and if that is in Gresse Street, W1.

Actually, looking carefully, Keri is not alone either.

(Jeez, I must go out this eve).

looks like it's Ascent Media, same location as Fremantle Media and Stephen Street Studios just of Tottenham Court Road like Gresse Street.

In fact, further futile analysis reveals the person with Keri must surely be the fat X Factor girl with Cher (light blue jumper).

Maybe George was right after all.

same girl again next to Keri - looks like 6 of final 8 girls going to XF HQ

other 2 girls could be doing the same thing, just not made the papers.

it's the member of staff from the first pic with Cher

Yes, same white shoe and red bag. We should form a detective agency.

always wanted to be a private d!ck

The girls at the top are dolled up and the two at the bottom are not but both carry luggage - clothes for a photo shoot?

They may have been at Ascent to record little few second intro's that XF likes to use, and maybe something bigger too.

Brilliant stuff chaps. You really ought to get a life like me though [;)]

So 6 of the 8 that made JH in girls category yep?

Rains on my spoiler is wrong idea somewhat

And the 3 allegedly through look decidedly more glam than the rest.

Why drag the others into London after getting the boot?

Someone tell Weasel that a starling appears to have met it's end in her bouffant pls

*edit  My mistake, not Rebecca in the pic with Cher and the weasel

Yep, 6 of final 8 girls.  Looks now like they are in the same place on the same day (?last Thurs) as the offices of Ascent Media/Freemantle Media/Stephen Street Studios are on Stephen Street W1 which runs into Gresse Street W1.

Final 3 pics looks darker than the rest?  Maybe because they are at the end of the day when they are leaving or just because they are in a doorway.  You should know about this stuff GB!

Rebecca and Anastasia could also have been doing the same thing but their pics didn't make the papers?

Perhaps a load of contestants were there that day.  In Gamu's pic, is that a bloke in jeans with tattoos all down his arm, maybe dragging a case.  Could that be any of the male contestants?

Or they just missed em, yep

They probably have to say thank you to Cowell before they can go home

in this pic of Cheryl and the girls at the Ascot house, the 6 girls are wearing the same gear as in those Daily Mail pics, so looks like those pics weren't "yesterday" as claimed in the paper but were taken when the girls were meeting up at XF HQ and travelling to or back from Ascot.

http://xfactor-updates.com/judges-houses-pictures/cheryl-and-the-girls/

ffs . http://xfactor-updates.com/judges-houses-pictures/cheryl-and-the-girls/

Very good Sq

houses-pictures/cheryl-and-the-girls/

What a fvcking state the girls look.

Was it national vagrant day?

I can see why Cheryl was annoyed that the building work hadn't finished, they've still got trees growing through the lounge.

is gamu in the final 12?

Seems not, unless you mean the Zimbabwean version

The Zanu PF factor?

some people gonna have burnt fingers with her then. cheers george

Prolly. They wanted a check up from the neck up anyway

Its in the Radio times so it must be true. Gamu is gone.

Still the Bookies are taking our money. Gamu has not eve drifted ; wierd. If I was a Cher maniac I'd grab some 6/1.

Don't be a backer; Cher cannot sing and will be found out. She may also be unstable which will speed her demise.

Come on Matt.

what will happen to my bet on niall @ 66/1 with billies now he's in 1 direction? is it a runner , void or lost ?

Gresty - its a runner, its the same as people who have backed Liam Payne and Rebecca Creighton for the girlband

Liam Payne is in the girl band

cheers robster

oops Squares....typo!!

probably a better idea than what SCowell has done with the same-sex bands actually.

What a jolly good chap robster is

You dc have cost me money here.

i do my best George to keep you boys happy! Ill be doing a lap of the office when its confirmed Gamu definately isnt in the show

ITV has announced plans to air the longest ever edition of The X Factor on October 9.

The live show, which will see the 12 finalists perform for a place in the next round, will run for two and a half hours.

An ITV spokesman confirmed to The Mirror that the episode will be the longest in the history of the series.

The length of the programme is said to be due to a "surprise" for viewers.

Seems reading the posts gamu is out.

Louis on ITV with Sharon now saying the leaked list is wrong.

i dont know but this issue of a surprise for voters, together with the time given to gamu so for in this show - i just cant help feeling there is a twist coming here. i would be so so surprised if she was out

The length of the programme is said to be due to a "surprise" for viewers.

I have written Gamu......... off but but but but but here comes a pathetic wish

I would expect Cowell to milk Gamus visa problems for all they are worth. So we get the shock on Sunday when we find out that Gamu is not in the top 3. Then we get get the "surprise" on October the 9th when Super Simon with his heart of gold sorts it out and she is back in the show. Simon's ego gold plated again. Loads of publicity for the show; world wide. Best back story ever for the the best singer ever on the show. Thats my fantasy. 

But it'll probably be Cheryl in tears saying she wants Gamu to stay but they other 3 where better singers on the day. Hugs and kisses by by Gamu.

The prospect of wild cards raises its head again....

Why should the "surprise" for viewers on 9th October be all about Gamu.  Surely your average viewer (ie. people who don't bet on the show and people who don't spend all day on internet forums {so most people really }) wouldn't be that bothered about just one contestant.

What has sorting out Visa problems got to do with SCowell?  The reporting has been totally OTT anyway when it just sounds like a small delay in a standard Visa renewal.

Cmon sq, you know Planet Melv is something of a parallel universe

Sometimes I even doubt its existence

Cowell: 'I'm sick of X Factor sob stories'

Simon Cowell has revealed that he is fed up with contestant sob stories on The X Factor.

The judge admitted that previous series of the ITV singing contest included too many competitors who chose to focus on their outside problems and hardships.

Cowell also said that he was tired of "goody two shoes" contestants, and indicated that he did not care if this year's batch of hopefuls caused trouble.

He told The Sun: "We got too much of this 'I'm doing it for my mum who broke her ankle' nonsense.

"I am just trying to encourage them this year to be their age and do what they like to do if they have a career as a popstar.

"If people are badly behaved sometimes, so what? I'm fine with that. At least they are having fun."

However, an insider conceded that the final twelve acts would not be allowed to sleep with each other when they move into their shared home for the live shows.

The source said: "They will be told they must not have sex in the house."

ffs, he couldn't lie straight in bed if he tried.  Sick of sob stories - encourages them and thrives on them more like.  Was it Shayne Ward who said on the application form there's a question about what sad things have happened to you in your life?

Even Matt Cardle was reported by Konnie Huq to have asked why they keep labelling him as a painter and decorator.

Desperate-to-be-famous plant Katie was an 18yo student one week, and a 24yo hairdresser's receptionist the next.

What utter boll0cks.

He told The Sun: "We got too much of this 'I'm doing it for my mum who broke her ankle' nonsense
I know Simon why don't you cease spending hours of screen time on this "nonsense" then? See, solution is simple.

"If people are badly behaved sometimes, so what? I'm fine with that. At least they are having fun."
Great, but of course he always has been "fine with that", that's why he gave so much screen time to a prostitute with 140 arrests who couldn't sing.

140 arrests for trying to sing?  You'd have thought she would get the message

The Cowell 'no more sob stories' thing was first reported a couple of months ago btw

Before the piece on Rebecca Ferguson [;)]

Actually at least one arrest was for going through a man's pockets who had just been knocked out by her boyfriend at a cash machine.

I advise you visit a reputable parlour next time Henry

Bubububut it wasn't me, it was another.

SCowell's verdict on the Groups from The Sun

THE REASON

I LIKE these four builders a lot and I haven't seen a band like this for a while. They are really genuine guys.

TWEM

THESE twins from Paris have been called France's answer to Jedward. They are funny and easy to like.

PRINCES & ROGUES

I HAVE seen them do great performances and terrible performances. What they try and do is quite difficult, but I like them as people.

FYD

THEIR name stands for Follow Your Destiny. I would say this lot could go either way - they may be a dark horse.

DIVA FEVER

I DON'T want to be cruel, of course - but if this pair get through to the live shows, they are the luckiest people in the world.

BELLE AMIE

ONE of the groups I put together from solo acts. Difficult to judge them at the moment, but some are good singers.

1 DIRECTION

ANOTHER band we created. I have got a good feeling about the way they look and the way they have worked hard to make this happen.

HUSSTLE

THESE girls from Bradford are determined and very focused. I also have to say that these five are quite talented.

THE REASON
I LIKE these four builders a lot and I haven't seen a band like this for a while. They are really genuine guys.

...and I'm secretly rather embarrassed at having to kick these out to make way for my creations, which are untried and therefore may possibly be rubbish, but ego comes first.

.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20101001/ten-louis-walsh-says-leaked-x-factor-lis-ea4616c.html

About as convincing as if a wee leprechaun had whispered it in my ear while i was collecting mushrooms

How the hell are the bookies getting away with stillpricing up about 40 artists when the final 12 are public knowledge and were even posted on the Radio Times website. I hope betfair are gonna refund everybody who backed non-finalists after they became common knowledge on Tuesday. Why are people still talking about Gamu...she isnt in the final 12 full stop.

The final confirmed 12 ...so you don't waste your money !!!!!!!!!
The Radio Times revealed the 12 acts that make it to the live finals today and it matches the list I was updating after each of the Judges Houses.

After realising the list shouldn’t have been published it was quickly removed.


X FACTOR 2010 FINAL 12

Nicolo Festa
Matt Cardle
Aiden Grimshaw
Mary Byrne
Storm Lee
John Adeleye
Cher Lloyd
Katie Waissel
Rebecca Ferguson
F.Y.D.
1 Direction
Belle Amie.

Awww. If only you'd told me. Just had 100 on Gamu on Betfair

Someone was happily laying 20-25's on Any Other (not one of those 12) on the exchange that does have a market (surprised not more people are using that site to lay runners). I took some at 24's just incase but probably a waste of money.

Cowell: 'I'm sick of X Factor sob stories'[/

Yeah and if after asking for them on the aplication form broadcasting them amd constantly replaying them some contestants will not play the game he ups the anti.

How about about his remarks to Jedward that they where despicable people who would sell their grannies. As a reult they had thouands of death threats.

Funnily enough it turns out that they where very nice lads who had nerves of steel in facing the waves of booes they got. They where not only courageous but kept a ready wit and a sense of humour throughout. The bottom line is that Cowell has no qualms what so ever about insulting, condemning and besmirching the characters of people he has never met.

[i]"Oh get a life its all in fun". he would retort

Its all in your bank account you bstd I say.

anyone know where i can get 20 to 25s on any other - as its b loody marvellous value

10's for A/O atm, but yeah Smarkets have a market up

Gamu is out .In scotland now.

Shame on the bookies.Brown envolopes to to jockeys since racing began now the novelty market paid off.DISCRACE.