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parispike
08 Jul 14 12:35
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His models say the probabilities of winning the WC are

Brazil 58.5%
Argentina 19.3%
Holland 13%
Germany 9.2%

The market here says differently! EIther Danny (whose offerings I generally respect) has it badly wrong or there is the betting opportunity of a lifetime!

I'm with the market; I couldn't possibly have Brazil as short as sub 6/4 which is what his probabilities infer.

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Report bardo July 8, 2014 12:48 PM BST
i think these stats are taking into account home advantage too much

they dont take into account that Neymar is injured and Thiago Silva is suspended

also they clearly do not have any relation to Brazils average form and mediocre players like Fred and Hulk
Report parispike July 8, 2014 1:06 PM BST
He would suggest otherwise bardo!
Report bardo July 8, 2014 1:22 PM BST
do you know if these models were conducted pre tournament.

if so then you can disregard them

the thing that matters in models like this is current form.. this is the most reliable indicator

i saw another one of these before the WC started that said it was 60 % likely that it would be a brazil V Spain final

take em with a pinch of salt
Report ExtremeX July 8, 2014 2:30 PM BST
yes
more black box models
to the rescueLaugh
Report kincsem July 8, 2014 4:15 PM BST
Is this the "we did 100,000 simulations" stuff?  They aren't playing 100,000 games.
He might be correct in his predictions.  I would like to know how much money he has invested in his picks.
Report Rider July 8, 2014 4:33 PM BST
his model has brazil shorter than 8/11, the distilled betfair odds involving millions of pounds has it at 11/4........back to the drawing board danny whether brazil win or not
Report JC1326 July 8, 2014 4:52 PM BST
depends on the model in question. was it Gisele or Kate Moss that came up with these probabilities?

I believe Money Tree uses Katie Price for his punting.
Report JC1326 July 8, 2014 4:53 PM BST
don't know if I'd ever trust someone called Danny either
Report parispike July 8, 2014 6:08 PM BST
These are his current probabilities.

I'd happy lay Brazil at 11/8, 6/4
Report loserschaselosers July 8, 2014 6:32 PM BST

Jul 8, 2014 -- 4:15PM, kincsem wrote:


Is this the "we did 100,000 simulations" stuff?  They aren't playing 100,000 games.He might be correct in his predictions.  I would like to know how much money he has invested in his picks.


just a small misunderstanding.

Report Charlton2005 July 8, 2014 7:15 PM BST
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/10953379/Germany-to-meet-Argentina-in-World-Cup-final-tech-firms-predict.html

rather trust google analytics to come up with the real probs

also it looks like only rider has noted that 58.5% does NOT imply (NOT infer!) 6/4!!
Report parispike July 8, 2014 8:27 PM BST
My (schoolboy!) error!
Report kincsem July 8, 2014 11:07 PM BST
Well done Danny Finkelstein, formerly of the Times Cool
Report TheVis July 9, 2014 6:21 AM BST
"Microsoft's artificially intelligent digital assistant Cortana has accurately predicted the outcome of every match of this year's World Cup elimination round,"

From the telegraph article.  This has to be total b*llshit.
Report TheVis July 9, 2014 6:24 AM BST
Sorry, I misread - it says elimination round.  I initially thought they meant the whole tourney.  In that case impressive enough but not too surprising given how the favs have mostly been getting through.
Report iprefertolay July 9, 2014 5:10 PM BST
brazil v germany game just shows how cak dannys model is!
Report bardo July 9, 2014 9:55 PM BST
the model assumes its the brazil side of 1970 Laugh
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