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By:
marychain1
When: 26 May 14 11:03
Why stop after the group stage? Why not take your argument to its logical conclusion and say that there is only one possible combination, the two teams that get to the final?

Of course that is ridiculous. As is saying that some combinations are NOT POSSIBLE before a ball had been kicked.

EVERY team in EVERY group has the POSSIBILITY to get through to the final against ANY other team.

Of course, some teams getting through mean others can't but that doesn't mean that any combination is IMPOSSIBLE, which is what you are saying.
By:
Baz
When: 26 May 14 11:11
At the risk of this being a wind up, Marychain is obviously correct, if you walked into a bookmakers and asked for a price about any 2 named teams making the final, they would quote one as it's a possibility. How many possibilities are there.....(32*31)/2 = 496, they would quote on any as they are all possible on this day.
By:
tomdeane
When: 26 May 14 11:16
Yes, and for anyone that doesn't believe it, try to write out a single combination that isn't possible...
By:
loserschaselosers
When: 26 May 14 13:58
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. it's 496. (still)
iprefertoignoreadvice
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 26 May 14 16:21
Now I'm pretty much convinced the thread must be a wind up
By:
Panther65
When: 27 May 14 16:06
another large one please, hic ConfusedLaugh
By:
kincsem
When: 27 May 14 19:29
If anyone likes to try it out you can use this chart to prove that 1st and 2nd in a group can meet in the final.  I did it for Italy and England
I had to suspend reality with England beating Colombia, Spain, Argentina before the final with Italy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10501412/World-Cup-2014-Wallchart-Predictor-Game.html
By:
iprefertolay
When: 28 May 14 17:02
kincsem, thanks for wallhart info, on my predictions for matches I finished up with the following result.

1.Brazil
2.Argentina.
3.Spain.
4.Germany

Probably miles out!
By:
Knight Rider
When: 28 May 14 18:31
As long as there are no upsets in the entire tournament, that's exactly how it will finish.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 29 May 14 00:10
my answer of 256 is way out.but in fact if you can lay 496 -256 = 240 you will be very rich, but you cant do it as sums will be astronomical in real odds as the betfair max is 1000.lets say iran v costa rica final which can happen the true odds of that happening is in the millions to 1,so you cant lay it

but my 256 from 496 is of more value = 1.9375 chance of happening if you know how Laugh
By:
charlatan
When: 30 May 14 22:01
so (in their infinite wisdom), to this point, betfair have chosen all but four combinations of 12 teams and then thrown in brazil/russia just for kicks.
By:
iprefertolay
When: 30 May 14 22:29
I pointed out to Betfair the market was far from complete,they said they will add runners if need be at there discretion.
They added Brazil Russia to appease me I guess.
By:
kincsem
When: 30 May 14 22:34
Feck sake guys.  I claim the Brazil/Russia addition. Laugh
I used it as an example on Betfair chat when I was trying to get "any other finalists" added.
By:
Charlton2005
When: 04 Jun 14 23:30
iprefertolay
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Phil, If England qualify they cant possibly play all the three possible combinations as two of the sides of Italy, Uruquay and Costa Rica will be eliminated at the group stage.
They cant all qualify can they.


i take it you work with your hands for a living?
By:
Charlton2005
When: 04 Jun 14 23:33


marychain1
26 May 14 11:03
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Why stop after the group stage? Why not take your argument to its logical conclusion and say that there is only one possible combination, the two teams that get to the final?

Of course that is ridiculous. As is saying that some combinations are NOT POSSIBLE before a ball had been kicked.

EVERY team in EVERY group has the POSSIBILITY to get through to the final against ANY other team.

Of course, some teams getting through mean others can't but that doesn't mean that any combination is IMPOSSIBLE, which is what you are saying.


as succint and accurate an explantion as you could want
By:
Charlton2005
When: 04 Jun 14 23:34
they can't all qualify, can they?

ffs, hihm for this tit please
By:
kincsem
When: 06 Jun 14 17:26
I am delighted with odds of 370 on Italy/Netherlands for €18.75 stake.
By:
GODSEND
When: 06 Jun 14 22:44
sad thread
By:
Charlton2005
When: 06 Jun 14 22:47
appalling
By:
cruso
When: 07 Jun 14 08:57
There are 32 teams
Before a ball is kicked any 2 teams could theoretically reach the final
There are 496 different combinations
So the answer is   ...  496
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