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beetle
08 Jul 10 21:49
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I will kick this one off by saying:

1. Will probably be the best match of the tournament
2. No one reading this will have done any research
3. There is gold in this game

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By:
beetle
When: 08 Jul 10 22:07
4. If you have steel balls you will make a load but even if you have walter softy balls you can still make money on this game
By:
beetle
When: 08 Jul 10 22:12
5.  There have been Fourteen 3rd place play off games (in total)
By:
tobermory
When: 08 Jul 10 22:42
Yeah it's usually Overs but the price will reflect that so i wouldn't bother
By:
beetle
When: 08 Jul 10 22:52
6.  There has been ONE draw
By:
beetle
When: 08 Jul 10 23:05
7. No games have ended nil nil
By:
beetle
When: 08 Jul 10 23:08
tobermory Joined: 01 Mar 08
Replies: 12501 08 Jul 10 22:42   


Yeah it's usually Overs but the price will reflect that so i wouldn't bother


do you think the price does reflect that?
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 08 Jul 10 23:09
weighed in on over 2.5, price already down 3 ticks since my BANK JOB at 1.79.  Will look to trade out my BANK in around 1.7.

FREE MONEY alertHappy
By:
beetle
When: 08 Jul 10 23:13
8. Average goals 3.57
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 08 Jul 10 23:14
Sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
By:
tobermory
When: 08 Jul 10 23:22
don't know i'll have a look what it is Happy
By:
tobermory
When: 08 Jul 10 23:24
1.76 for Over 2.5 compared to 2.66 for the final does seem to me that the market is very aware of the stats
By:
TwoTonTed
When: 08 Jul 10 23:25
36k now wants 1.77
By:
gollob1
When: 09 Jul 10 00:21
Do goals scored in the match still count in Golden Boot Competition?
By:
Rich W
When: 09 Jul 10 00:27
yes! but Klose and Forlan both major doubts!
By:
Sterling Morrison
When: 09 Jul 10 09:50
That Polish fella scored a million all those years ago didn't he
By:
beetle
When: 09 Jul 10 10:26
.. you can lead a horse to water
By:
Jon78
When: 09 Jul 10 12:20
Paul octopus picks Germany - GAME OVER URUGUAY
By:
Big Steve Ferguson
When: 09 Jul 10 12:43
Suarez hat-trick for great justice
By:
sugarfoot
When: 09 Jul 10 13:35
obviously people are rushing for the overs, but its also worth noting that since the 6-3 in 1958 the number of goals has been quite tightly distributed:

12 matches 1962-2006
1  3 times (1962, 1966, 1970  GER-URU)
2  none
3  4 times (1966, 1974, 1990, 1998)
4  3 times (1986, 1994, 2006)
5  2 times (1982, 2002)
and that only one of these was uq (Sweden 4-0 up at half time in 1994).  four games have been 0-0 at half-time, ending 1-0 (twice), 2-1 and 3-1 (2006).  from an overs perspective the only notable thing is that the last seven five have been over 2.5 in the first half (about 6/1 shot) with the other two being 0-0 but finishing over 2.5.

tbh its just cherry picking data and I couldn't enthuse about betting on this any more than using stats to analyse the Charity Shield
By:
beetle
When: 09 Jul 10 16:00
Can't agree with that that.  The stats that I used are not cherry picking at all.  The figures I quoted relate to all the third place games ever played - 14 in total starting in 1954. 11 of these games produced over 2.5 goals - 78.5%

I'm not sure why you chose to exclude the 1958 and 1954 games which produced 9 and 4 goals respectively.

Figures for all 14 games are as follows

Over 1.5 78.5%
Over 2.5 78.5%
Over 3.5 50%
Over 4.5 21.4%

This is not a sample of games, it's all 3rd place games.  Nothing selective about it all.
By:
shrewdbury
When: 09 Jul 10 17:12
Have to say you can back overs as around a 56-57% chance currently, which looks pretty reasonable, given a 100% record for the last seven times this match was played. Of course it also depends on which sides etc, but Germany have hardly been goal-shy have they here, and aren't unbeatable at the back either (cf England game eg).
By:
shrewdbury
When: 09 Jul 10 17:19
A question in terms of fundamentals would be why these games have generally ended as overs - no real reason to play defensively I would suggest. Death or glory at that point the usual approach, losing doesn't really matter, but winning ends their WC on a high note.
By:
shrewdbury
When: 09 Jul 10 23:54
end of discussion then? Plain
By:
tobermory
When: 09 Jul 10 23:56
7 is a rather small sample.
By:
shrewdbury
When: 10 Jul 10 07:38
True, but 100% is a rather large effect.
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Jul 10 07:51
If both teams want to win then i would think they will both not want to concede goals.I agree it wont be a defensive game,but at the same time defences will be disciplined i suspect.
Something like 2-1 either way for me.
By:
shrewdbury
When: 10 Jul 10 08:06
2-1 is enough. [;)]
By:
shrewdbury
When: 10 Jul 10 08:09
Should be a nice 0-0 lay too?
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Jul 10 08:26
Away you go then Shrewd,quids in.
By:
asod
When: 10 Jul 10 14:51
When do we even find out the team lineups? Should give us a clue to how seriously they are taking it.
By:
tanstaafl
When: 10 Jul 10 15:02
Think there is value in laying Germany to score.
By:
Haslam
When: 10 Jul 10 15:28
In the knockout stages overs have won 8-6 even though you could have got well over evens,more like 6/4, on a lot of the games.

Even though the bet is starting to look too obvious, considering the past results of the play-off & the two teams involved (uruguay concede and score) 1.78 is still a bet in my view and i'm having a similar bet on +3.5 and a small one on +4.5.

If its not then fair enough but its a bet which is well worth a stab imo.
By:
shrewdbury
When: 10 Jul 10 16:27
I think it's a cracking bet - of course it's not guaranteed, but no bet ever is.
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Jul 10 16:39
1.78!! Each to their own.Not for me though.
By:
Haslam
When: 10 Jul 10 16:47
1.78 * 8 = 14.28,about right then,no exclamation marks neededMischief


would maybe be less for a Man u v Spurs game which would translate to something similar.
By:
buddeliea
When: 10 Jul 10 16:58
Dont like betting at those odds in a Football match,too unpredictable for my liking.
By:
budgiebird.
When: 10 Jul 10 17:03
I assume looking at the top goalscorer market, that Klose is not playing.
By:
hoopa
When: 10 Jul 10 17:06
hey guys there have been rumours about lucas podolski not playing tonight. how true is it?
By:
budgiebird.
When: 10 Jul 10 17:12
Podolski was reported to have been a doubt because he had a touch of flu.. but don't know anyhting more than that.
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