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maradona is the greatest world cup player since1970
maradona is the greatest world cup player since1970
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vaguely remember him but it was the peruvian goalkeeper who took my eye with his incessant charging out to meet the ball, particularly in the 6-0 defeat to argentina.At the time i thought he was a bit crazy of course i now know better !
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jasey,
The most incredible goals of Pelé were distroyed by fire which took place in a brazilian TV (Record). I know personally some of Santos football players from the sixties, like Mengálvio, Edu, Pepe. You can't believe in theirs histories. Of course football was not so comercial and professional as today, but Pelé scored many goals in corinthians with Rivelino, Palmeiras with Ademir da Guia, São Paulo with Gerson, Botafogo with Garrincha, Cruzeiro with Tostão. He was an athelete, Just imagine him playing today in a perfect grass, jabulanies and so on... |
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jasey
Joined: 22 Jul 08 Replies: 32 01 Jul 10 22:37 Cant remember Pele,but how come his best clips dont end in a goal?..half way line shot,and the dummy on the goalie both missed,and the pass that set up alberto's goal was run of the mill for a top player...His 1300 goals came from playing against hopeless teams,games ending 14 nil What a load os sh1t. Pele had a better scoring record in the WC than Maradona and thats despite the fact he never played a full tournament at his peak. Also look at his international record which is far better tham Maradonas. |
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leilam,
Not saying he was'nt great,because you here players like Charlton,Best,Cryuff saying he was the best,just wish there was more footage |
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pele played in a team of world class players maradonna did not and still won the world cup theres no comparison!!
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Pele played two World Cup finals, before and after his peak and scored 3 goals. Maradona played two WC finals and didnt score a goal. Its not all about goals but Pele was Man of the Match in both finals.
As for questioning Peles goalscoring record. Domestically in Brazil he got 585 in 609 games, you can say this is against easy opposition but the fact is the brazilian league would arguably hav been the strongest in the world at the time and his record dwarfs the other great Brazilians around at the time - Jarizinhio, Rivelino, Tostao etc. |
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the sheer physics suggest maradonna was greater he was a dwarf and players could tackle from behind when maradonna was playing he kept getting battered and still couuld prouduce brilliance
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People could tackle from behind when Pele played. He was hacked out of the 1966 World Cup. Size of the player has nothing to do with deciding who was better.
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JamDav,
I would expect Pele to have a better scoring record than Maradona,he was a striker,Diego was attacking midfielder |
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I except wat your saying Jamdav,but the games Pele scored in Brazil league are dubious.He would not have scored as many if he had played in Spain or Italy
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I'm not taking the mickey but was the brazil league so bad?
How come the national team that had league players in it was so good? |
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It's just what i have heard in topics on the radio..
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But the Brazilian league was probably the strongest in the world at the time. Whenever Santos played the top european teams pele still banged them in, and these games were not friendlies back then. Also as I said earlier if the Brazilian league was so bad why did other Brazilian legends such as Tostao, Rivelino and Jairzinhio have goalscoring records that were nothing like Peles, nowhere near as good. The best attacking players in the world were playing in Brazil and he was THE ONLY one scoring this amount of goals.
Dont forget at 17 years of age he scored 6 goals in 3 games at the World Cup - int he quarter, semi and final. |
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Off the telly ,but there is a view in brazil that Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazillian player.
I've never been to Brazil so can't get the word off the street, but who do you think was his rival? If you get it in one then there may be summat to it! |
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Just cause played against a few rubbish teams in brazil league, doesnt mean players are bad..All i am saying is from what i have heard half brazil league was good teams, the rest made up of teams which would be english 3rd division standard
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Garrincha , Brodie?
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I have read that some people prefered Garincha, largely as he was seen as keeping closer to his working class roots and they could relate with him.
Another point on Pele not playing in Europe would be that in the early 1960's they played an intercontental cup with the winners in europe and South America playing one another. These games were treated as seriously as the European Cup final in those days by both sides. Pele scored 2 away to benfica, 2 away to AC Milan and 3 at home to AC Milan. 7 goals in 3 games aganist Europes best. |
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Maradona's World Cup Record
1982 - One decent game, one average game, found out twice against strong opposition (sent off) 1986 - Brilliant, made a decent Argentinian team look outstanding 1990 - He was distinctly average. Very lucky to get through group (3rd!). Two dire pen shoot-outs to get to final - awful in final, possibly injured 1994 - Embarrasing drug cheat How 1986 is all we remember (mainly due to England being directly involved) How many people saw other Argentinian internationals? How many peoply saw him regularly in club football? He barely has any medals in his cupboard Great player, but incomparable to Pele |
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i get what you mean.Brazil is a country of massive extremeties between poor and rich.
I can understand how there would be say 4 super rich teams (relatively speaking) and the rest having basically very little. |
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extremes *
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look what he did for napoli
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The Brazillian serie A was only founded in 1971..Before this teams played in state leagues,which is why there was no strenght in depth
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yes lads ,it was Garrincha.
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makes me laugh when people question Pele's goalscoring record - he scored 77 goals for Brazil in 92 apps and that's the highest level of the game.
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Napoli were the second biggest spenders in Italy at the time and their team included many Italian internationals along with 2 Brazilian internationals - Careca, the Brazilian number 9 at the time and a Brazilian intl midfielder I cant remember the name of. They DID NOT have the poor side that many people try and make out they did.
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i am not knocking his international record one bit
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'How many people saw other Argentinian internationals?
How many peoply saw him regularly in club football?' tbf you seem to be suggesting that we can't judge him to be the best ever because we saw little of him poppy. pretty sure if you ask argentinians as well as italians they will say he was the best ever. what i saw of him he stood out like a beacon. genius sort of hits you. you can cite records all you like ,imo |
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Don't agree with that Poppy
No one can argue with what he did in '86 . In 1990 the Argentine team was dire, probably the worst to make the Final. That they got there was largely thanks to him carving up the Brazilian defence to set up Cannigia. Even in 1994 he was superb in the 2 games he played - aged 34 or so? - and no can really say the cocaine was enhancing his performance can they? As for medals, to win Serie A twice - with Napoli! - when it was at its absolute peak, was amazing .That team had Careca and i can't recall who else  , and they were up against a Milan side that was one of the best ever to play the game . |
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Brazilian domestic football was easily the highest quality in the world at the time. If you want to ignore this look at his goalscoring record against Euoropes best - 7 in 3 games , intl record 77 in 92.
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mind you i have just realised this is a world cup performances thread.
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Correct JamDav
Careca was the star of the UEFA cup win |
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The Brazil league was of poor quality,because of the size of brazil, teams did'nt travel..you would have say the big teams from sao paulo and the rest would be the lesser teams of that state..ie take pro teams from London then add the non league teams till you get to 20,you get the picture...this is not any Brazillian players fault just the way it was
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The Brazilian, Alemao, is the guy we'd forgotten?
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When Napoli won their first league title they were probably the biggest spenders in Italy and this was before the great AC Milan side, Van Basten + Gullit arrived after that so they didnt overcome a great Milan side for the first title. Second time round 89/90 fair playe they did but they were not a **** team led by Maradona to glory, they had the second best squad in the league and were amongst the top spenders.
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which Italian internationals were in their side?
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Yes correct a world cup peformance thread,and on on what i see hear, Pele's international scoring record was top,and to win three world cups is mindblowing
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De Napoli was in midfield
Carnevale up front with Careca, but was outshone (a young chap called Zola had just joined too!) |
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Thanks Poppy, they weren't that great though were they?
Just don;t think any of the teams Maradona won trophies with would have won anything without him. |
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Italian Intl for Napoli at that time - Ferrara, Francini, Fusi, De Naploi, Camevale.
These players were all Italian Internationals and started along wih Maradona, Careca and Brazilian MF Alemao in the 1989 Uefa Cup Final. |
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Italy had an average international team in the mid 80s,take Maradona out of the Napoli side, and they would have won nothing
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