Another England stat that may surprise a few...

silly stat. have spain?

How are we defining a 'top' international side?

Well, as far as I  can see, England have beaten Paraguay,Denmark,Belgium and Cameroon in the knockout phase.None of these are what I would class as the top bracket of International football.

So what sort of teams do we need to be beating?  Holland, Brazil, Argentina, Spain.  That's it isn't it?

Yeah, I'd class those as traditionally being amongst the best. The fact that England have never beaten any of them when it matters should tell fans to aim their sights a bit lower!

beat Poland 3-0... they are world class... oh no sorry not world class... everywhere

Mardy Bum Joined: 14 May 09
Replies: 787 29 Jun 10 16:24 
silly stat. have spain?


far from been a silly stat its a very valid one.

Spain havn't yet aswell,we will have to wait until the semis to find out this year.

Live4 Joined: 18 Mar 04
Replies: 345 29 Jun 10 16:52   
So what sort of teams do we need to be beating?  Holland, Brazil, Argentina, Spain.  That's it isn't it?

.. Think you're forgetting Italy (4 WCs), Germany (3 WCs) & France (1 WC) in that little group ...

The top teams have been Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy.

1960 - lost to Brazil & West Germany
1974 - not there
1978 - not there
1982 - drew with West Germany & Spain - eliminated
1986 - lost to Portugal & Argentina
1990 - lost to West Germany
1994 - not there
1998 - lost to Romania & Argentina
2002 - lost to Brazil
2006 - lost to Portugal
2010 - lost to Germany

*1970

1970.....lost to West Germany 3-2 AET

Spain beat Germany in the final of the Euros.  Please don't tell me they aint a top side.

/\ oops ....not world cup.

Kinscem forgot 1970. Lost to Germnay 3-2 after being 2-0 up.

and we won't be beating a top side for a very long time

Seems to be a lot of confusion between Euros and the World Cup.Totally different competitions. Take note how European teams have struggled again in this world cup outside Europe. Can't blame the temp this time.So far this World cup has been like many before it.

We have a chance in 2018 if we get the world cup in this country.

Spain beat Portugal who are ranked 3rd in the world right now so you can put you silly little rule book away on that one.

The 2 sides that were in that Euro final are stll in this WC and Europe do have their 3 best sides in the last 8,the others like France,Italy,Portugal and England are either too old now or just not good enough.
Think that is the main reason why S America have more,that and the conditions probably suit them a bit better as well.

2006 beat Ecuador
2002 beat Denmark
1990 beat Belgium & Cameroon
1986 beat Paraguay

These are the KO phase victories IN MY LIFETIME and I am almost 40!

2006 beat Ecuador
2002 beat Denmark
1990 beat Belgium & Cameroon
1986 beat Paraguay


and there is the ball game

/thread

In South America, everybody plays everybody so the better teams will almost always rise to the top of their qualifying group.

The European qualifying system suits the traditional big teams like France, Italy, Portugal etc because they are almost always 1st seeds while other countries who are not that far behind them labour as 2nd and 3rd seeds and have to perform well above their status in order to qualify.

I don't know how to resolve the European situation though.

Maybe just have 3 seedings instead of 6 and pick 2 from each seeding. Eventually this may even things out a bit as some of the traditionally big powers would be drawn against each other at some stage.

stabbin-the-dark
1970.....lost to West Germany 3-2 AET

TopTier
Kinscem forgot 1970. Lost to Germnay 3-2 after being 2-0 up.

Eh, no I didn't.  I had a typo and typed 1960 when I meant to type 1970.  I corrected it in my next post.  There was no World Cup in 1960.

1960 - lost to Brazil group match  & West Germany  aet
1974 - not there
1978 - not there
1982 - drew with West Germany & Spain - eliminated
1986 - lost to Portugal group match  & Argentina
1990 - lost to West Germany on pelanties
1994 - not there
1998 - lost to Romania & Argentina on pelanties
2002 - lost to Brazil
2006 - lost to Portugal on pelanties
2010 - stuffed by  Germany


the stat is not so amazing, the worry is we probably wont be going to brazil

1986 England beat Poland 3 - 0.

At that time, Poland were a top team.

Reached WC semis in 82 and 74.

Poland was not a knockout game..

It might as well have been, if England had not of won they would have been out.

backing the draw in england knockout
matches shows a big profit

'We have a chance in 2018 if we get the world cup in this country.' The FA need to guilt-trip Blatter into giving them the WC in 2018...'Let us host it Sepp, come ooooon....I mean, you remember THE GOAL, don't you? The one we didn't get? HMMMMMMMMM?'

Not that it would work on him, the filthy little franco-swiss muppet.

no , we wouldn't have a chance if we got the WC in this country. Apparently our heroes aren't inspired by playing at Wembley these days, rather it makes them fearful, whereas all those little johnny foreigners really get up for matches at the home of football. it's so unfair.