how are eng shorter in betting than germany

people have no clue

braindead little englanders.

The draw

Crazy. Germany are far better based on the first match.

er....  we have a much stronger squad.

the draw doesnt come into it, eng wont get out of group c 

In Germany on 'betenzie fairen' we are 66 - 1 - they are 2-1 on 

You know what to do then elisjohn,..Lay England and back Germany if you fancy them.

Because the deluded refuse to accept facts.  They prefer fantasy.

actually gold, i have lad eng at 8.2, but havent got on germany yet ,i was very impresses with them last night ok only played australia

p s    layed

you guys are very deluded if you dont think the draw comes into it. england would be around 14 if it wasnt for the draw. eng dont come across a top 5 country until the semis if they win group

99, ok say eng win group and play ghana, then france , brazil, spain    odds 1/2 to win group. 4/9 v ghana 4/6 france, 6/4 brazil 6/4 spain rough guess eng 20/1 plus

elis dont be so naive.....if you did that with every team the odds would be higher. look at spain going by favourites (not my opinion) - odds to win group...then portugal / italy / argies / brazil. odds on these 5 individually would amount to more than 4/1.

combined not individually*

agree what oure saying 99, im quoting the odds with them avoiding germany ,  i agree brazil/ spain might not get that far, my odds are what will be if everything goes the way i expect it to imo, the big match that going to play havoc on the market is that 2 rd if spain do play brazil

Sooooo many people saying England are too short. The market is the market and it is self correcting.

There must be plenty of backers for England too, or else all of you shrewdies would have taken them out to 16's by now.