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OUTRIGHT I think Spain will win the World Cup. Hardly original, but they have the best team, the best squad, back ups for every position and stars in every position. In Villa and Torres they have plenty of goals, they have the best three playmakers in Iniesta, Fabregas and Xavi, and loads of wide talent in Pedro, Navas, Silva and Mata. They have the best keeper in the World in nets, with two more of the top 6 on the bench, and a settled defence. One question against them is whether they will lack the steel of Senna in the middle, but they will have the ball so much they probably wont need to win it back much.
I think the second best side is Argentina, but they are due to meet in the Semi finals all being well, and I can see the Spanish getting the better of them. Argentina will be fluent, and score a lot of goals. They were the best side in the tournament 4 years ago, until they were surprisingly knocked out by the home side. I think they look a better side this year, with Messi and Di Maria either side of Higuain, I can see them doing very well. People question the manager, but they have done well when it has counted, with a top win in Montevideo to seal the qualification against Uruguay, and a 1-0 win in Germany in a friendly earlier this year also shows they can defend when they need to. I’m already on the Argies at 9/1, but by backing them as a Plan B at 8.2, you are at least assured one team in the final if all goes well and Spain and Argentina meet in the semis.
I think Brazil might not do as well as expected this time round. They don’t look that fluent to me, and Im not sure how much depth they have either. They might well win again, but they don’t look as strong to me as in recent years. One team always gets an easy run to the latter stages, and this time round I can see that team being France. They could get South Korea and then England on the way to the semi finals, and I think they are worth a small investment at 23.0. If they get on a roll they could well be a tough match for Brazil in the semi finals.
Recommended bets
Spain 4 pts @ 5.1
Argentina 2 pts @ 8.2
France 1pt @ 23.0
TOP GOALSCORER Villa is the obvious choice, and Spain could well score loads, but Villa is too short for me, and I have always thought Argentina look like a team that is full of goals. If, as seems likely, Maradona goes with a 4-3-3 employing Higuain up top with Di Maria and Messi out wide, then Higuain will look huge at 26.0. Im also on at 25/1 ew with Will Hill. The value is already gone on Messi (now 12.0) but I have backed the up and coming Benfica youngster Di Maria, rumoured to be signing for Real Madrid in a £40m move this week, at 1000.0. and 150 for top 4. I have also had small investments in a couple of Spain’s wide men, in Navas at 920 average and 120 top 4 and Silva at 700 average and 100 top 4.
Recommended bets
2pts Higuain @ 26
.5 pts Di Maria @ 1000, .5pts top 4 @ 150
.5 pts Navas @ 920, .5pts top 4 @ 120
.5pts Silva @ 700, .5pts top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS
Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere 1pt @ 7.2
Final Four lay England @ 2.46
Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
GROUP A
France
Mexico
South Africa
Uruguay
At first sight, this looks like mission impossible for the hosts - the finalists from 2006, a quality and slick outfit from Central America in Mexico, and a decent side from South America in Uruguay. But South Africa have a lot of things going for them - they are very hard to beat now under Carlos Alberto Perreira, and they have home advantage, with thousands of screaming fans blowing horns behind them. They are unbeaten in 15 matches, and although none of those games have been against top quality opposition, they are well organised and will have their confidence boosted. France’s form has been dreadful, although I would be wary of laying them as I can see them surprising people and actually doing OK. Although both Mexico and Uruguay will have their supporters, and they both have their star players, neither have a reputation for grinding out results when it really matters, and it is quite possible either or both of these will bottle it against a hard working home side so I can see the South Africans getting through the group.
Recommended bet
2pt - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
GROUP B
Argentina
Nigeria
Greece
South Korea
Argentina looked nailed on to win group B, but are a prohibitive 1/2 to do so. With their striking power, I can see them going a long way in the tournament and they could get a few goals to get them going in the group stages. So, in many ways we are interested in who will progress with them, and my money is on South Korea. Nigeria have flattered to deceive for a long time, and although they should get plenty of support as Africa’s most populous nation, and they have plenty of decent players, they haven’t really gelled as a team for a long time. Greece, as a solid team with a decent goalscorer in Gekas, have many of the ingredients for success, but look like quite a slow side, and I wonder whether that could be their achillles heel in a group full of pace. South Korea looked like a decent side against Spain recently, and if they can finish some of the many chances they are bound to create, they could trouble all the sides in this group, and go further than many will expect.
Recommended bet
1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
GROUP C
England
Slovenia
USA
Algeria
Fabio Capello would never display any sort of disrespect for any opponent, but secretly he must have been delighted with the group they got, with practically the easiest sides from the Africa/South America pot AND the rest of Europe pot. England should qualify, and should win the group, although they will inevitably make harder work of it than they need to. But England are ludicrously short to win the group and to qualify, so the best bets lie elsewhere in Group C. USA are second favourites from the group, and look like a decent side. They did well in the Confederations Cup, giving Brazil a shock in the final, and they wont be intimidated by anyone. Algeria look like a very skilful side, and in Ziani, Belhadj and Bougherra have players with the ability to set the tournament alight. You have to question the temperament of Algeria though, and I think they are rightly outsiders. I think the surprise side in group C could be Slovenia. They are a tight knit outfit with a lot of ability, and I can see them pippin the Americans for second place in the group. I think their striker Novakovic, could be one of the stars of the tournament.
Recommended bet
1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
GROUP D
Germany
Serbia
Ghana
Australia
For me, this is the most even of the groups and any one of three teams could win the group. I think Australia are rightly the outsiders, as they don’t seem to have replaced Viduka, and lack any real stars once Cahill is quietened. Germany are seen as favourites, but they don’t seem to be as well organised or have as many winners as usual. Yes, we said that 4 years ago, but they were at home then, and radically overperformed. This year they will face a tough challenge to get anywhere near as far, and I don’t think they should be odds on to win this group. Serbia have loads of talent all over the pitch and could do anything on their day, and Ghana, despite the loss of Essien, will be a very good side as well. Germany may well get through the group stages, but I think a lay of them to win the group is the way forward here.
Recommended bet 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
GROUP E
Holland
Denmark
Cameroon
Japan
Holland, with or without Robben, should have easily enough to get through this group, and could go a long way in the tournament. Their issue is, like England, they have a horrible record in penalty shootouts, and their defence may not stand up against the top sides in the world in the later stages, but I expect to shine in the first half of the World Cup. Their group doesn’t look the hardest either, as Denmark are filled with not-quite-top-level and aging players, Cameroon are in one of their less mighty guises, and Japan don’t look like world beaters either. Holland are short to win the group at 1.6, so the bet for me is to combine them with Cameroon in a forecast. Cameroon are pacy, strong, and under Paul Le Guen, well organised to boot. They have enough Premier League stars to do well, and If they can get Webo or Efoulou to bring the best out of Etoo they can thrive.
Recommended bet
1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
GROUP F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia
Italy should go through, and New Zealand should go out, but for me the crunch game in this group is Paraguay against Slovakia, and I think Slovakia will come out on top. Paraguay are a decent side, have plenty of Wworld Cup experience and some top players in Santa Cruz, Valdez and Cardozo, but they have flopped too many times in the past for me to have any confidence. Slovakia got here by rights, finishing top of a group that contained Czech Republic, Poland, Slovenia and Northern Ireland, they keep the ball really well and in Hamsik, Vittek and Sestak Slovakia have plenty of playmaking and attacking talent. Skrtel is probably their best known player, but I think by the end of the tournament they could have a few more playing in the top leagues.
Recommended bet
1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
GROUP G
Brazil
Portugal
Ivory Coast
North Korea
Another 3 horse race, or a supposedly 2 horse race but I think Ivory Coast can surprise a few by getting out of the group. In my eyes we can rule out North Korea immediately, and Brazil and Portugal look very strong, but I can see weaknesses. Brazil don’t appear to have the out and out talent of previous years, and I can see them getting beaten at some stage, and Portugal have looked very poor so many times recently. They only just got past Bosnia in a play off, lost to some very ordinary teams in their group and could only draw 0-0 with Cape Verde Islands (everybody on the Island is very disappointed) last time out. Yes they have Ronaldo and Nani, but that’s about it, and for me they look a very ordinary team indeed. Ivory Coast will miss Drogba big style, but they still got a strong enough team to get into the knockout stages.
Recommended bet
1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
GROUP H
Spain
Switzerland
Honduras
Chile
Spain, Spain, Spain. Switzerland are a very decent side, limited but organised, and Chile look very talented, but I cannot see how Spain can be stopped from winning this group. Honduras look like a poor side for me, and will almost definitely finish bottom. It is between Chile and Switerland for second place, and I take Chile. They may not beat Switzerland, but I think Spain will beat the lumbering Switzerland by more than they will beat Chile, so I can see Chile going through on goal difference.
Recommended bets
2pts Honduras to finish bottom @ 1.59,
1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
I think the second best side is Argentina, but they are due to meet in the Semi finals all being well, and I can see the Spanish getting the better of them. Argentina will be fluent, and score a lot of goals. They were the best side in the tournament 4 years ago, until they were surprisingly knocked out by the home side. I think they look a better side this year, with Messi and Di Maria either side of Higuain, I can see them doing very well. People question the manager, but they have done well when it has counted, with a top win in Montevideo to seal the qualification against Uruguay, and a 1-0 win in Germany in a friendly earlier this year also shows they can defend when they need to. I’m already on the Argies at 9/1, but by backing them as a Plan B at 8.2, you are at least assured one team in the final if all goes well and Spain and Argentina meet in the semis.
I think Brazil might not do as well as expected this time round. They don’t look that fluent to me, and Im not sure how much depth they have either. They might well win again, but they don’t look as strong to me as in recent years. One team always gets an easy run to the latter stages, and this time round I can see that team being France. They could get South Korea and then England on the way to the semi finals, and I think they are worth a small investment at 23.0. If they get on a roll they could well be a tough match for Brazil in the semi finals.
Recommended bets
Spain 4 pts @ 5.1
Argentina 2 pts @ 8.2
France 1pt @ 23.0
TOP GOALSCORER Villa is the obvious choice, and Spain could well score loads, but Villa is too short for me, and I have always thought Argentina look like a team that is full of goals. If, as seems likely, Maradona goes with a 4-3-3 employing Higuain up top with Di Maria and Messi out wide, then Higuain will look huge at 26.0. Im also on at 25/1 ew with Will Hill. The value is already gone on Messi (now 12.0) but I have backed the up and coming Benfica youngster Di Maria, rumoured to be signing for Real Madrid in a £40m move this week, at 1000.0. and 150 for top 4. I have also had small investments in a couple of Spain’s wide men, in Navas at 920 average and 120 top 4 and Silva at 700 average and 100 top 4.
Recommended bets
2pts Higuain @ 26
.5 pts Di Maria @ 1000, .5pts top 4 @ 150
.5 pts Navas @ 920, .5pts top 4 @ 120
.5pts Silva @ 700, .5pts top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS
Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere 1pt @ 7.2
Final Four lay England @ 2.46
Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
GROUP A
France
Mexico
South Africa
Uruguay
At first sight, this looks like mission impossible for the hosts - the finalists from 2006, a quality and slick outfit from Central America in Mexico, and a decent side from South America in Uruguay. But South Africa have a lot of things going for them - they are very hard to beat now under Carlos Alberto Perreira, and they have home advantage, with thousands of screaming fans blowing horns behind them. They are unbeaten in 15 matches, and although none of those games have been against top quality opposition, they are well organised and will have their confidence boosted. France’s form has been dreadful, although I would be wary of laying them as I can see them surprising people and actually doing OK. Although both Mexico and Uruguay will have their supporters, and they both have their star players, neither have a reputation for grinding out results when it really matters, and it is quite possible either or both of these will bottle it against a hard working home side so I can see the South Africans getting through the group.
Recommended bet
2pt - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
GROUP B
Argentina
Nigeria
Greece
South Korea
Argentina looked nailed on to win group B, but are a prohibitive 1/2 to do so. With their striking power, I can see them going a long way in the tournament and they could get a few goals to get them going in the group stages. So, in many ways we are interested in who will progress with them, and my money is on South Korea. Nigeria have flattered to deceive for a long time, and although they should get plenty of support as Africa’s most populous nation, and they have plenty of decent players, they haven’t really gelled as a team for a long time. Greece, as a solid team with a decent goalscorer in Gekas, have many of the ingredients for success, but look like quite a slow side, and I wonder whether that could be their achillles heel in a group full of pace. South Korea looked like a decent side against Spain recently, and if they can finish some of the many chances they are bound to create, they could trouble all the sides in this group, and go further than many will expect.
Recommended bet
1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
GROUP C
England
Slovenia
USA
Algeria
Fabio Capello would never display any sort of disrespect for any opponent, but secretly he must have been delighted with the group they got, with practically the easiest sides from the Africa/South America pot AND the rest of Europe pot. England should qualify, and should win the group, although they will inevitably make harder work of it than they need to. But England are ludicrously short to win the group and to qualify, so the best bets lie elsewhere in Group C. USA are second favourites from the group, and look like a decent side. They did well in the Confederations Cup, giving Brazil a shock in the final, and they wont be intimidated by anyone. Algeria look like a very skilful side, and in Ziani, Belhadj and Bougherra have players with the ability to set the tournament alight. You have to question the temperament of Algeria though, and I think they are rightly outsiders. I think the surprise side in group C could be Slovenia. They are a tight knit outfit with a lot of ability, and I can see them pippin the Americans for second place in the group. I think their striker Novakovic, could be one of the stars of the tournament.
Recommended bet
1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
GROUP D
Germany
Serbia
Ghana
Australia
For me, this is the most even of the groups and any one of three teams could win the group. I think Australia are rightly the outsiders, as they don’t seem to have replaced Viduka, and lack any real stars once Cahill is quietened. Germany are seen as favourites, but they don’t seem to be as well organised or have as many winners as usual. Yes, we said that 4 years ago, but they were at home then, and radically overperformed. This year they will face a tough challenge to get anywhere near as far, and I don’t think they should be odds on to win this group. Serbia have loads of talent all over the pitch and could do anything on their day, and Ghana, despite the loss of Essien, will be a very good side as well. Germany may well get through the group stages, but I think a lay of them to win the group is the way forward here.
Recommended bet 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
GROUP E
Holland
Denmark
Cameroon
Japan
Holland, with or without Robben, should have easily enough to get through this group, and could go a long way in the tournament. Their issue is, like England, they have a horrible record in penalty shootouts, and their defence may not stand up against the top sides in the world in the later stages, but I expect to shine in the first half of the World Cup. Their group doesn’t look the hardest either, as Denmark are filled with not-quite-top-level and aging players, Cameroon are in one of their less mighty guises, and Japan don’t look like world beaters either. Holland are short to win the group at 1.6, so the bet for me is to combine them with Cameroon in a forecast. Cameroon are pacy, strong, and under Paul Le Guen, well organised to boot. They have enough Premier League stars to do well, and If they can get Webo or Efoulou to bring the best out of Etoo they can thrive.
Recommended bet
1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
GROUP F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia
Italy should go through, and New Zealand should go out, but for me the crunch game in this group is Paraguay against Slovakia, and I think Slovakia will come out on top. Paraguay are a decent side, have plenty of Wworld Cup experience and some top players in Santa Cruz, Valdez and Cardozo, but they have flopped too many times in the past for me to have any confidence. Slovakia got here by rights, finishing top of a group that contained Czech Republic, Poland, Slovenia and Northern Ireland, they keep the ball really well and in Hamsik, Vittek and Sestak Slovakia have plenty of playmaking and attacking talent. Skrtel is probably their best known player, but I think by the end of the tournament they could have a few more playing in the top leagues.
Recommended bet
1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
GROUP G
Brazil
Portugal
Ivory Coast
North Korea
Another 3 horse race, or a supposedly 2 horse race but I think Ivory Coast can surprise a few by getting out of the group. In my eyes we can rule out North Korea immediately, and Brazil and Portugal look very strong, but I can see weaknesses. Brazil don’t appear to have the out and out talent of previous years, and I can see them getting beaten at some stage, and Portugal have looked very poor so many times recently. They only just got past Bosnia in a play off, lost to some very ordinary teams in their group and could only draw 0-0 with Cape Verde Islands (everybody on the Island is very disappointed) last time out. Yes they have Ronaldo and Nani, but that’s about it, and for me they look a very ordinary team indeed. Ivory Coast will miss Drogba big style, but they still got a strong enough team to get into the knockout stages.
Recommended bet
1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
GROUP H
Spain
Switzerland
Honduras
Chile
Spain, Spain, Spain. Switzerland are a very decent side, limited but organised, and Chile look very talented, but I cannot see how Spain can be stopped from winning this group. Honduras look like a poor side for me, and will almost definitely finish bottom. It is between Chile and Switerland for second place, and I take Chile. They may not beat Switzerland, but I think Spain will beat the lumbering Switzerland by more than they will beat Chile, so I can see Chile going through on goal difference.
Recommended bets
2pts Honduras to finish bottom @ 1.59,
1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
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Very good write up, although I disagree with most of it, can't see any of the African sides doing anything of note, and think none of them to make it out of the group is worth a tickle!
Great read Marychain and as usual lots of well thought out suggestions although as a value bettor I'm surprised to see you tip Spain at 5.1. I too see them rightly as favourites but I'd want at least 6.0 and probably higher to justify a bet.
My two big bets so far are Slovakia and Slovenia (560/1 & 670/1 respectively) on the outright market with a view to trading. Both are decent outfits and the standard of the top teams (e.g. Germany, France, Brazil etc) leads me to believe that this is a fairly weak world cup (although hopefully still exciting) and my gut feeling is that for once a team considered an outsider i.e. over 30/1 could win the world cup!
My two big bets so far are Slovakia and Slovenia (560/1 & 670/1 respectively) on the outright market with a view to trading. Both are decent outfits and the standard of the top teams (e.g. Germany, France, Brazil etc) leads me to believe that this is a fairly weak world cup (although hopefully still exciting) and my gut feeling is that for once a team considered an outsider i.e. over 30/1 could win the world cup!
Pesam, thanks mate. With regard to Spain, I just think they are outstanding. I cant see them being beaten by anyone in the other half of the draw at all, with the only potential banana skin being Argentina in the semis.
OK, anything can happen in a World Cup but I think the relief of finally winning that big tournament has finally allowed Spain to be what they've always threatened to be - by far the best team in the world.
OK, anything can happen in a World Cup but I think the relief of finally winning that big tournament has finally allowed Spain to be what they've always threatened to be - by far the best team in the world.
Aye Spain have every chance but the doubt in the back of my mind is that their defence is not the strongest; Puyol and Pique are good but not brilliant, Arbeloa will probably be used as a left back which is not ideal and Ramos has off days. Added to this there is no Senna in central midfield to protect the defence and that duty now falls to Xabi Alonso and although we all know his undoubted talent I've never seen him as a Mascherano, Senna, Makelele type player.
I have changed one of my bets. I have laid back the 2pts on Honduras to finish bottom at 1.59, and put 2 pts on Switzerland to finish bottom at 4.1. More to follow on this.
Today I will be laying Mexico and Uruguay in a double at just over evens for 1pt.
good start although would have loved that shot that hit the post at the end to go in
good stuff MC1 - what the forum used to be about before it was taken over by the type of people who think Take Me Out has value as a television programme.
Sorry, I don't understand how a Mexico/Uruguay double was paying just over evens. Can you explain what you mean?
Good job whatever the price, it won.
Good job whatever the price, it won.
It was a double of South Africa or the draw/France or the draw. The odds were 2.04, so it worked out at evens after commission.
No bet in the South Korea match today, although a Korea win would obviously be best for my group B bet.
Have got a bet lined up for the Argentina/Nigeria match, but not matched yet so will have it up here soon.
No bet in the South Korea match today, although a Korea win would obviously be best for my group B bet.
Have got a bet lined up for the Argentina/Nigeria match, but not matched yet so will have it up here soon.
1 point on the half time/full time market, on draw/Argentina @ 4.6
Heinze's goal came the wrong side of half time for me, and no sending off either for a 2 point loss.
day 2 P/L -2 points
overall P/L -1 point
day 2 P/L -2 points
overall P/L -1 point
great write up MC. I'm interested in why you switched from Honduras to Switz for bottom of the group, tho.
I think Honduras will beat Switzerland in the last game Plat; I'll explain further but I'm waiting to get some related bets matched.
My bet for England v USA is
1pt Over 1.5 first half goals @ 3.2
My bet for England v USA is
1pt Over 1.5 first half goals @ 3.2
Thanks Rob Green, did me a favour there. You utter (unt. Needed it as well after looking likely from Gerrard's early opener.
A profit of 2.1 points from the bet. So,
Day 2 P/L +.1 points.
Overall P/L +1.1 points.
A profit of 2.1 points from the bet. So,
Day 2 P/L +.1 points.
Overall P/L +1.1 points.
Right, really looking forward to seeing the Slovenians. Remember them being neat, tidy, with loads of possession and some decent attacking players. Not sure that they will light the tournament up exactly, but could get a couple of goals here. Algeria will be looking at this match as their best chance of a win, and if it doesnt go to plan, can see them getting frustrated.
My main bet today is sending off yes 2 points @ 4.2
Also going to have small bet on Novakovic to score .5 pts @ 3, FGS .25 pts @ 6.4 and .25pts unquoted @ 22
My main bet today is sending off yes 2 points @ 4.2
Also going to have small bet on Novakovic to score .5 pts @ 3, FGS .25 pts @ 6.4 and .25pts unquoted @ 22
Good old Algeria, can always rely on them to go mental and lose their heads.
Really disappointed with the Slovenians though, they had an opportunity to liven this tournament up by going for it, but they seemed more concerned about not losing. Only two three teams have really gone for it so far in this tournament, South Korea, Argentina and South Africa (in the second half). The rest have been very ordinary and defensive.
So, I lost 1 point on Novakovivc and unquoted, but won 6.4 points on the sending off, or 6.2 points after commission, for a profit on the game of 5.2 points.
Day 3 P/L +5.2 points
Overall P/L +6.3 points
Really disappointed with the Slovenians though, they had an opportunity to liven this tournament up by going for it, but they seemed more concerned about not losing. Only two three teams have really gone for it so far in this tournament, South Korea, Argentina and South Africa (in the second half). The rest have been very ordinary and defensive.
So, I lost 1 point on Novakovivc and unquoted, but won 6.4 points on the sending off, or 6.2 points after commission, for a profit on the game of 5.2 points.
Day 3 P/L +5.2 points
Overall P/L +6.3 points
A couple of scorer bets in this one.
John Mensah FGS .25 pt @ 90
to score .25 pt @ 40
Kwadwoh Asamoah FGS .25 pt @ 24
to score .25 pt @ 13
John Mensah FGS .25 pt @ 90
to score .25 pt @ 40
Kwadwoh Asamoah FGS .25 pt @ 24
to score .25 pt @ 13
nothing to do with the World Cup but Mrs Slocum looks a very decent price at 7.4 to win the St Jude Classic golf tonight. If we consider Garrigus is probably going to choke then Slocum is effectively 1 shot off the lead fighting with Karlsson and Westwood, neither of who are prvoen finishers.
A bet in running in the Serbia v Ghana game. It's 0-0 after 66 minutes, and I think Ghana are getting stronger. The available price seems too big, so 1 pt on Ghana at 5.7
So a good chance a piece for Mensah and Asamoah when the score was 0-0, but no goals and a 1pt loss. However the in running back of Ghana nets a profit of 4.7 points, or 4.6 after commission. So a profit of 3.6 pts for the game in total.
Day 3 P/L +8.8pts
Overall P/L +9.9pts
Day 3 P/L +8.8pts
Overall P/L +9.9pts
Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets (27 points staked)
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
Other Bets(4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
Group Bets (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. [b]WINS 4.6 points.[/b]
P/L so far on settled bets +9.9 pts
Pre tournament Bets (27 points staked)
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
Other Bets(4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
Group Bets (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. [b]WINS 4.6 points.[/b]
P/L so far on settled bets +9.9 pts
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
Right, a load of bets here, so here's some explanation. I fancy some goals in this. Germany could well win this comfortably, but they arent the most convincing team at the back, and I think Australia could nick one. They dont have a lot up front, but they will be pretty dangerous from set pieces, and I wouldnt be surprised if they took the lead. 2.26 is pretty big for both teams to score, so I've gone for 2pts, with 1 pt on +3.5 goals @ 4.2.
For the other bets, (11-13) they are all on the third round of group games, but I've got these bets on early.
These are three teams that are available at big prices, but could have a significant advantage with the altitude. Germany, Italy and Switzerland are all due to play their first two matches at sea level before moving up to altitude for their third. Their opposition, Ghana, Slovakia and Honduras play all their three games at altitude, so should be well acclimatised by the time of these group deciders.
Even if altitude doesnt make a difference, they are all going to be playing against fit, athletic and motivated opposition, but with the altitude factor, these could turn into very decent prices, and a win in any of the three games will secure a profit.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
Right, a load of bets here, so here's some explanation. I fancy some goals in this. Germany could well win this comfortably, but they arent the most convincing team at the back, and I think Australia could nick one. They dont have a lot up front, but they will be pretty dangerous from set pieces, and I wouldnt be surprised if they took the lead. 2.26 is pretty big for both teams to score, so I've gone for 2pts, with 1 pt on +3.5 goals @ 4.2.
For the other bets, (11-13) they are all on the third round of group games, but I've got these bets on early.
These are three teams that are available at big prices, but could have a significant advantage with the altitude. Germany, Italy and Switzerland are all due to play their first two matches at sea level before moving up to altitude for their third. Their opposition, Ghana, Slovakia and Honduras play all their three games at altitude, so should be well acclimatised by the time of these group deciders.
Even if altitude doesnt make a difference, they are all going to be playing against fit, athletic and motivated opposition, but with the altitude factor, these could turn into very decent prices, and a win in any of the three games will secure a profit.
Germany are 2-0 up just before half time against Australia and look like they can slice through the Aussie back four almost at will.
14. 2pts Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25
14. 2pts Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25
Shame Cahill missed from point blank range of that corner about 3 minutes in, or it would have been a clean sweep on the bets front in this match.
Still, +3.5 goals and unquoted in.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
14. 2pts Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
A profit of 5.5 points for the game.
Day 3 P/L +14.3 points
Overall Profit +15.4 points
Still, +3.5 goals and unquoted in.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
14. 2pts Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
A profit of 5.5 points for the game.
Day 3 P/L +14.3 points
Overall Profit +15.4 points
Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
Other Bets (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
Group Bets (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
Day 3 P/L +14.3 points
Overall Profit +15.4 points
15. 2pts double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64
16. 1pt Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9
17. 2pts Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
Other Bets (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
Group Bets (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
Day 3 P/L +14.3 points
Overall Profit +15.4 points
15. 2pts double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64
16. 1pt Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9
17. 2pts Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8
impressive stuff, MC.
I'm not sure about your thinking on the Swiss, tho. As far as I know, they play at fairly high altitude when they're at home.
Haven't a clue about Honduras - do they have mountains there ?
I'm not sure about your thinking on the Swiss, tho. As far as I know, they play at fairly high altitude when they're at home.
Haven't a clue about Honduras - do they have mountains there ?
about the swiss when they plat at home they dont play at any altitude, 400 to 500 hundred meters at the most.
sry for noob question but what exactly is a point?
Is it just to show the ratios of your stakes or does it refer to an amount?
Is it just to show the ratios of your stakes or does it refer to an amount?
A point is just to show the ratios of stakes. A point does have a monetary value, but I wouldnt be so crude as to say how much it is.
Re the Swiss and altitude. I think it is all about acclimatisation, and apparently, training at altitude does not equate to playing at altitude. Therefore Switzerland, Ghana and Slovakia SHOULD have an advantage in those third games as they'll have already had two games at the height and their opponents will be altitude virgins.
A bet for Italy v Paraguay.
2 pts - sending off @ 4.2
both these teams can lose the plot at times. Now Paraguay have taken the lead things might get a bit frantic. The ref seems to be handling it well so far, but wouldnt surprise me at all to see someone get their marching orders, and the slick turf can always help a defender get caught out or slide into a challenge.
Re the Swiss and altitude. I think it is all about acclimatisation, and apparently, training at altitude does not equate to playing at altitude. Therefore Switzerland, Ghana and Slovakia SHOULD have an advantage in those third games as they'll have already had two games at the height and their opponents will be altitude virgins.
A bet for Italy v Paraguay.
2 pts - sending off @ 4.2
both these teams can lose the plot at times. Now Paraguay have taken the lead things might get a bit frantic. The ref seems to be handling it well so far, but wouldnt surprise me at all to see someone get their marching orders, and the slick turf can always help a defender get caught out or slide into a challenge.
Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points.
On paper this looks like it could be a cracker, but so many sides have failed to impress so far in this tournament that you cant help feel that keeping the draw onside with any bet is important. Portugal have been fairly poor in the build up to this. They beat Cameroon, but that isnt the best of fom lines, and a win agaisnt Mozambique and a draw with Cape Verde Islands hardly inspires confidence. Nani is out as well, and Ronaldo doesnt seem to be able to carry the team on his own. A lot depends on the fitness of Drogba here, but unlike the other African sides that have played so far, Ivory Coast have enough genuine stars to succeed without him. So in anticipation of another dreary start by a fancied European side I am laying Portugal with a sizeable bet.
On paper this looks like it could be a cracker, but so many sides have failed to impress so far in this tournament that you cant help feel that keeping the draw onside with any bet is important. Portugal have been fairly poor in the build up to this. They beat Cameroon, but that isnt the best of fom lines, and a win agaisnt Mozambique and a draw with Cape Verde Islands hardly inspires confidence. Nani is out as well, and Ronaldo doesnt seem to be able to carry the team on his own. A lot depends on the fitness of Drogba here, but unlike the other African sides that have played so far, Ivory Coast have enough genuine stars to succeed without him. So in anticipation of another dreary start by a fancied European side I am laying Portugal with a sizeable bet.
A win of 2.2 points on the lay of Portugal. An overall profit so far of 15.1 points. And Im getting right in there and sticking two big bets on what I expect to be a comprehensive Brazil win tonight. Many sides have struggled so far, and this has given goals tonight a really nice price, so now is time to bet like men.
21. 4 pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3
22. 2 pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3
21. 4 pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3
22. 2 pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3
I Have also split one point on three players to score. Lucio pops up with goals for club and country, Michel Bastos seems to get forward from left back and has a good shot on him and Ramires will surely come on at some stage, and is a massive price to nick one as a sub. So, I have done:
.25 point Lucio to score @ 9.6
.25 point Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4
.5 point Ramires to score @ 15.5
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5.
.25 point Lucio to score @ 9.6
.25 point Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4
.5 point Ramires to score @ 15.5
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5.
21. 4 pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 POINTS
22. 2 pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 POINTS
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5. LOSES 1 POINT
Game P/L -7 pts
Overall P/L 8.1 pts
A horrible loss, I've given back half the money I've made over the tournament so far. However, I have learnt two or three very valuable points about this tournament, and using what I have learnt I have found the most stupidly wrong price for a long long time in one of tomorrow's matches. I will post as soon as I am matched.
22. 2 pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 POINTS
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5. LOSES 1 POINT
Game P/L -7 pts
Overall P/L 8.1 pts
A horrible loss, I've given back half the money I've made over the tournament so far. However, I have learnt two or three very valuable points about this tournament, and using what I have learnt I have found the most stupidly wrong price for a long long time in one of tomorrow's matches. I will post as soon as I am matched.
24. 5 pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14
25. 2 pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2
This may look like bounce after the losses yesterday, but I seriously think Spain should be long odds on to win by more than 1. The game is at Durban which is at sea level. The only other game at Durban was Germany's 4-0 win over Australia. I am confident that Spain will change the shape of the tournament by giving Switzerland a hiding tomorrow.
Switzerland had a ludicrously easy group, with only Greece in it as a decent side and would probably have come 4th or 5th in some groups. They lost to Luxembourg at home in qualifying. Moreover, their style will suit Spain down to the ground, they are pedestrian and have a rigid system that Spain will slowly but surely dismantle.
I could be horribly wrong, and it wouldnt be the first time, but I am going big on Spain and unquoted. And overs if the price gets big enough. They are all wrong.
25. 2 pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2
This may look like bounce after the losses yesterday, but I seriously think Spain should be long odds on to win by more than 1. The game is at Durban which is at sea level. The only other game at Durban was Germany's 4-0 win over Australia. I am confident that Spain will change the shape of the tournament by giving Switzerland a hiding tomorrow.
Switzerland had a ludicrously easy group, with only Greece in it as a decent side and would probably have come 4th or 5th in some groups. They lost to Luxembourg at home in qualifying. Moreover, their style will suit Spain down to the ground, they are pedestrian and have a rigid system that Spain will slowly but surely dismantle.
I could be horribly wrong, and it wouldnt be the first time, but I am going big on Spain and unquoted. And overs if the price gets big enough. They are all wrong.
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08
overall P/L 0.1pts
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
Overall Profit +1.7 pts
back on track after the Spain losses, hope Slovakia can go on to win to bring the Group C "to qualify" bet in.
Main Goalscorer bet is looking good too with Higuain's hat-trick for Argentina
Overall Profit +1.7 pts
back on track after the Spain losses, hope Slovakia can go on to win to bring the Group C "to qualify" bet in.
Main Goalscorer bet is looking good too with Higuain's hat-trick for Argentina
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6
Think England should win this, but can see it being tight early on, and it might take until the second half to break Algeria down.
Think England should win this, but can see it being tight early on, and it might take until the second half to break Algeria down.
nice thread Marychain, i too was on Higuain at 25's... happy days :)
thanks mate. A 1 point loss on the draw/England bet, 0-0 at half time, but even then I couldnt see where a goal was going to come from. If I'd been near my machine I would have laid England at that point at odds on.
1 bet for today, I think Ghana will have too much for the Aussies and are far too big at 2.36.
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36
1 bet for today, I think Ghana will have too much for the Aussies and are far too big at 2.36.
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36
a loss of 2 points on Ghana, and for the first time I am down overall on the bets during the tournament, although only by 1.3 points.
Two bets today.
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14
Two bets today.
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14
A win of 1.5 points in the Italy match.
The Brazil overs bet is actually at 2.28, not 2.14
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.28
The Brazil overs bet is actually at 2.28, not 2.14
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.28
Some more bets. I have laid off the 2 pts on Argentina on the outright at 5.5 leaving small green on them and put my 2 points on Brazil at 6.2.
My reasons are that I think Brazil's perceived poor start in this world cup has been overblown, they looked good against North Korea first time out, in the coldest temperature ever for a World Cup match. The Europeans are struggling, whereas some Southern Hemisphere sides seem to be thriving.
Argentina look good, but there defence has looked dodgy at times. I think Brazil, contrary to my original thoughts, look like a better all round side.
For tonight's match, I add a big bet on Brazil and I split a point between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score.
I have backed Bastos .25pts FGS @ 27 and .25 pts to score @ 9.6 and Elano .25pts FGS @ 16 and .25pts to score @ 6.0
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8
33. 1pt - split between Michel Bastos and Elano, FGS and to score.
My reasons are that I think Brazil's perceived poor start in this world cup has been overblown, they looked good against North Korea first time out, in the coldest temperature ever for a World Cup match. The Europeans are struggling, whereas some Southern Hemisphere sides seem to be thriving.
Argentina look good, but there defence has looked dodgy at times. I think Brazil, contrary to my original thoughts, look like a better all round side.
For tonight's match, I add a big bet on Brazil and I split a point between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score.
I have backed Bastos .25pts FGS @ 27 and .25 pts to score @ 9.6 and Elano .25pts FGS @ 16 and .25pts to score @ 6.0
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8
33. 1pt - split between Michel Bastos and Elano, FGS and to score.
31. 2 pts -Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.28 +2.4 points
32. 3 pts - Brazil @ 1.8 +2.3 points
33. Michel Bastos -.5 pts. Elano FGS -.25 pts, Elano to score @ 6 = 1.4 pts
Brazil match profit of +6.1 points
32. 3 pts - Brazil @ 1.8 +2.3 points
33. Michel Bastos -.5 pts. Elano FGS -.25 pts, Elano to score @ 6 = 1.4 pts
Brazil match profit of +6.1 points
31. 2 pts -Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.28 +2.4 points
32. 3 pts - Brazil @ 1.8 +2.3 points
33. Michel Bastos -.5 pts. Elano FGS -.25 pts, Elano to score @ 6 = 1.4 pts
Brazil match profit of +6.1 points
32. 3 pts - Brazil @ 1.8 +2.3 points
33. Michel Bastos -.5 pts. Elano FGS -.25 pts, Elano to score @ 6 = 1.4 pts
Brazil match profit of +6.1 points
Thanks tut, Im going the other way today and laying Portugal. I was impressed with North Korea against Brazil and Portugal dont look good enouh to justify a price of 2/5.
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38
Tim, do not be disheartened by variance.... I expect to see you tipping spain in some shape or form vis a vi asians or goals.
got this one spot on. Laid Portugal and it's 4-0. Reckon laying Portugal next goal in this one @ 1.75 is worth a little tickle, but I've done my dough and taken my medicine in this one and I'll wait for Chile and Spain.
Both of which I will be backing in some form.
Both of which I will be backing in some form.
That bet was down pretty damn early. Anyone else feel sorry for the Koreans by the end? Gave me time to analyse my bets so far though.
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Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2 (laid off at 5.5)
2pts - Brazil @ 6.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES 1 point
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES 1 point
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES 2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5 unsettled
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8 unsettled
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8 unsettled
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. 3pts - Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points. WINS 2.2 Points
21. 4pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 Points
22. 2pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 Points23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5 LOSES 1pt
24. 5pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14 LOSES 5pts
25. 2pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2 LOSES 2pts
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08 LOSES 1pt
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6 LOSES 1pt
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36 LOSES 2pts
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64 WINS 1.5 pts
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14 WINS 2.6 pts
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8 WINS 2.3 pts
33. 1pt - stake split between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score. WINS 1.4 pts
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38 LOSES 1pt
Overall Profit for Bets During Tournament +5.5pts
35. 1pt - Chile (v Switzerland) @ 2.
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Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2 (laid off at 5.5)
2pts - Brazil @ 6.2
1pt - France @ 23.0
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES 1 point
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES 1 point
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES 2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5 unsettled
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8 unsettled
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8 unsettled
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. 3pts - Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points. WINS 2.2 Points
21. 4pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 Points
22. 2pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 Points23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5 LOSES 1pt
24. 5pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14 LOSES 5pts
25. 2pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2 LOSES 2pts
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08 LOSES 1pt
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6 LOSES 1pt
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36 LOSES 2pts
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64 WINS 1.5 pts
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14 WINS 2.6 pts
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8 WINS 2.3 pts
33. 1pt - stake split between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score. WINS 1.4 pts
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38 LOSES 1pt
Overall Profit for Bets During Tournament +5.5pts
35. 1pt - Chile (v Switzerland) @ 2.
I really like the look of Chile and I am going to take them to beat the Swiss today.
I can see the game going one of two ways. If Chile score first, especially if they score early, they will probably go on to win by a couple or more. If Switzerland, who would be delighted by a goalless draw after beating Spain take the lead, or Chile cant break through early, the game could peter out into a stalemate.
But I'll take my chance that Chile can do what Spain couldnt, and penetrate the Swiss defence.
35. 1pt - Chile @ 2.24.
I can see the game going one of two ways. If Chile score first, especially if they score early, they will probably go on to win by a couple or more. If Switzerland, who would be delighted by a goalless draw after beating Spain take the lead, or Chile cant break through early, the game could peter out into a stalemate.
But I'll take my chance that Chile can do what Spain couldnt, and penetrate the Swiss defence.
35. 1pt - Chile @ 2.24.
nice thread Marychain!
Chile to win is the bet this afternoon. Been some fair dosh for them though.
2.42 yesterday afternoon
Chile to win is the bet this afternoon. Been some fair dosh for them though.
2.42 yesterday afternoon
I have decided to green out of this for my stake at 1.8
As things stand I have no liability, but win .2 points if Chile win. I just think with 40 minutes to go, and with Switzerland likely to park the bus, 0-0 is likely here, and I can get out at a much better price than I originally got.
Both teams have an incentive to go for goals in this now, with Switzerland needing an equaliser and Chile trying to improve their goal difference.
With 10 minutes to go, Im laying the correct score 1-0 at 1.6
1pt - laying correct score 1-0 risking 1 point to win 1.67 points @ 1.6
With 10 minutes to go, Im laying the correct score 1-0 at 1.6
1pt - laying correct score 1-0 risking 1 point to win 1.67 points @ 1.6
ended up winning 0.2 points on the match odds, but losing 1 point on the correct score market. Incredible misses at the end there to make it a winner, but that's the way it goes. I am going to show I have learnt absolutely nothing by throwing more cash at a big Spain win tonight. If Honduras are as open as they were against Chile then Spain will tear them to shreds, so I make my bets accordingly.
3 points - over 2.5 goals @ 1.67
1 point - correct score unquoted @ 3.3
.5 point - over 5.5 goals @ 8.6
.5 point - over 6.5 goals @ 20.0
3 points - over 2.5 goals @ 1.67
1 point - correct score unquoted @ 3.3
.5 point - over 5.5 goals @ 8.6
.5 point - over 6.5 goals @ 20.0
Overall I am 0.3pts down for my bets during the tournament itself. Big winner if Korea can come second to Argentina tonight.
40. 1pt - double, laying Nigeria and laying Argentina @ 4.04
40. 1pt - double, laying Nigeria and laying Argentina @ 4.04
Admirable thread. A lot of work and diligence. One question, have you taken commission off your winnings in your P/L calculations?
So, late Argentina goals scuppered the double for a loss of 1 point, but the Group B Argentina/South Korea straight forecast was a winner at 6.0 so a pleasing night all in all.
Nice call on the Argies/South Korea
think you owe the Yak a beer though!!
think you owe the Yak a beer though!!
Well done England. No bet on the first set of games and another winner in the group bets and heartbreak for my Group C bet, as USA score late on and my Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1 bet is now a loser after tradidng at 1.04.
I have got 1pt on Ghana already, and I add another point at 8.4 and also lay Germany at 1.52.
41. 1pt - risking 1pt to win 1.9 points laying Germany v Ghana @ 1.52
42. 1pt - Ghana v Germany @ 8.4
41. 1pt - risking 1pt to win 1.9 points laying Germany v Ghana @ 1.52
42. 1pt - Ghana v Germany @ 8.4
Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
0 pts (2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2, laid for 2 pts @ 5.5)
2 pts - Brazil @ 6.2
1pt - France @ 23.0 LOSES 1pt
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 Pts
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65 LOSES 1pt
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1pts
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9 LOSES 1pt
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6 WINS 5pt
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1 LOSES 1pt
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3pts
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points
18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. 3pts - Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points. WINS 2.2 Points
21. 4pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 Points
22. 2pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 Points
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5 LOSES 1pt
24. 5pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14 LOSES 5pts
25. 2pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2 LOSES 2pts
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08 LOSES 1pt
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6 LOSES 1pt
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36 LOSES 2pts
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64 WINS 1.5 pts
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14 WINS 2.6 pts
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8 WINS 2.3 pts
33. 1pt - stake split between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score. WINS 1.4 pts
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38 LOSES 1pt
35. 1pt - Chile @ 2.24 greened out at 1.8 WINS .2 pts
36. 1pt - in running laid correct score 1-0 Chile v Swiss LOSES 1 pt
37. 3 pts - Spain v Honduras over 2.5 goals @ 1.67 LOSES 3 pts
38. 1 pt - Spain c Honduras correct score unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 1 pt
39. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 5.5 goals @ 8.6 LOSES .5pt
40. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 6.5 goals @ 20.0 LOSES .5pt
41. 1pt - double, laying Nigeria and laying Argentina @ 4.04 LOSES 1pt
42. 1pt - risking 1pt to win 1.9 points laying Germany v Ghana @ 1.52
43. 1pt - Ghana v Germany @ 8.4
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 pts
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1 pts
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3 pts
Overall Profit for Bets During Tournament -1.3 Pts
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TOTAL P/L for tournament -0.3 pts
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
0 pts (2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2, laid for 2 pts @ 5.5)
2 pts - Brazil @ 6.2
1pt - France @ 23.0 LOSES 1pt
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 Pts
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65 LOSES 1pt
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1pts
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9 LOSES 1pt
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6 WINS 5pt
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1 LOSES 1pt
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3pts
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points
18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. 3pts - Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points. WINS 2.2 Points
21. 4pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 Points
22. 2pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 Points
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5 LOSES 1pt
24. 5pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14 LOSES 5pts
25. 2pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2 LOSES 2pts
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08 LOSES 1pt
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6 LOSES 1pt
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36 LOSES 2pts
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64 WINS 1.5 pts
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14 WINS 2.6 pts
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8 WINS 2.3 pts
33. 1pt - stake split between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score. WINS 1.4 pts
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38 LOSES 1pt
35. 1pt - Chile @ 2.24 greened out at 1.8 WINS .2 pts
36. 1pt - in running laid correct score 1-0 Chile v Swiss LOSES 1 pt
37. 3 pts - Spain v Honduras over 2.5 goals @ 1.67 LOSES 3 pts
38. 1 pt - Spain c Honduras correct score unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 1 pt
39. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 5.5 goals @ 8.6 LOSES .5pt
40. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 6.5 goals @ 20.0 LOSES .5pt
41. 1pt - double, laying Nigeria and laying Argentina @ 4.04 LOSES 1pt
42. 1pt - risking 1pt to win 1.9 points laying Germany v Ghana @ 1.52
43. 1pt - Ghana v Germany @ 8.4
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 pts
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1 pts
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3 pts
Overall Profit for Bets During Tournament -1.3 Pts
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TOTAL P/L for tournament -0.3 pts
Great result that, 2 pts on Slovakia @ 6.8 wins 11.6 pts, although I'll work out the amount without commission shortly. Also brings in the Slovakia to qualify bet in at 2.3.
I actually had another point on at 8.6 AND laid Italy at 1.6, like I did with Ghana yesterday, although I wont count those bets for the purposes of this thread, as I never had chance to put them down.
Still, a 13 pt win for the day there or thereabouts.
I actually had another point on at 8.6 AND laid Italy at 1.6, like I did with Ghana yesterday, although I wont count those bets for the purposes of this thread, as I never had chance to put them down.
Still, a 13 pt win for the day there or thereabouts.
Summary of bets so far. All P/Ls are after commission
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
0 pts (2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2, laid for 2 pts @ 5.5)
2 pts - Brazil @ 6.2
1pt - France @ 23.0 LOSES 1pt
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 Pts
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65 LOSES 1pt
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1pts
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9 LOSES 1pt
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6 WINS 4.9pt
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1 LOSES 1pt
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95 LOSES 1pt
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3 WINS 1.3 pts
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3.2pts
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5 LOSES 2 Points
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8 WINS 11.3 Points
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points
18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. 3pts - Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points. WINS 2.2 Points
21. 4pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 Points
22. 2pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 Points
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5 LOSES 1pt
24. 5pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14 LOSES 5pts
25. 2pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2 LOSES 2pts
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08 LOSES 1pt
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6 LOSES 1pt
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36 LOSES 2pts
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64 WINS 1.5 pts
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14 WINS 2.6 pts
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8 WINS 2.3 pts
33. 1pt - stake split between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score. WINS 1.4 pts
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38 LOSES 1pt
35. 1pt - Chile @ 2.24 greened out at 1.8 WINS .2 pts
36. 1pt - in running laid correct score 1-0 Chile v Swiss LOSES 1 pt
37. 3 pts - Spain v Honduras over 2.5 goals @ 1.67 LOSES 3 pts
38. 1 pt - Spain c Honduras correct score unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 1 pt
39. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 5.5 goals @ 8.6 LOSES .5pt
40. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 6.5 goals @ 20.0 LOSES .5pt
41. 1pt - double, laying Nigeria and laying Argentina @ 4.04 LOSES 1pt
42. 1pt - risking 1pt to win 1.9 points laying Germany v Ghana @ 1.52 LOSES 1pt
43. 1pt - Ghana v Germany @ 8.4 LOSES 1pt
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 pts
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1 pts
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3.2 pts
Overall Profit for Bets During Tournament +5.6 Pts
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TOTAL P/L for tournament +6.8 pts
Pre tournament Bets
Outright (7 points)
4 pts - Spain @ 5.1
0 pts (2 pts - Argentina @ 8.2, laid for 2 pts @ 5.5)
2 pts - Brazil @ 6.2
1pt - France @ 23.0 LOSES 1pt
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 Pts
Goalscorers (5 points)
2pts - Higuain @ 26
.5 pt - Di Maria @ 1000 & .5pt - top 4 @ 150
.5 pt - Navas @ 920 & .5pt top 4 @ 120
.5 pt - Silva @ 700 & .5pt top 4 @ 100
OTHER BETS (4 points)
1pt - Final Referee – Frank de Bleekere @ 7.2
1pt (risk) - Final Four lay England @ 2.46
1pt - Nominate Finalists France and Spain @ 65 LOSES 1pt
1pt - England Team Top Goalscorer Aaron Lennon @ 38
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1pts
GROUP BETS (11 points)
A - 2pts - South Africa to qualify @ 2.9 LOSES 1pt
B - 1pt – straight forecast Argentina/South Korea @ 6 WINS 4.9pt
C - 1pt – Slovenia to qualify @ 3.1 LOSES 1pt
D - 1pt – lay Germany to win the group @ 1.95 LOSES 1pt
E - 1pt – straight forecast Holland/Cameroon @ 3.7
F - 1pt – Slovakia to qualify @ 2.3 WINS 1.3 pts
G - 1pt – Dual Forecast Brazil/Ivory Coast @ 2.7
H - 1pt straight forecast Spain/Chile @ 2.3
And - 2pts - Switzerland to finish bottom @ 4.1
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3.2pts
Bets during tournament
1. 1pt - lay Mexico/Uruguay double @ 2.04. WINS +1 point.
2. 1pt - draw ht/Argentina ft @ 4.6. LOSES -1 point.
3. 1pt - sending off Argentina v Nigeria @ 4.2. LOSES -1 point.
4. 1pt - England v USA +1.5 first half goals @ 3.2. WINS +2.1 points.
5. 2pt - Algeria v Slovenia sending off @ 4.2. WINS +6.2 points
6. 1pt - Stake split between unquoted @ 22, Novakovic FGS @ 6.6 and Novakovic to score @ 3. LOSES -1 point.
7. 1pt - Stake split between Asamoah FGS @ 24, to score @ 13 and Mensah FGS @ 90, to score @ 40. LOSES -1 point.
8. 1pt - Ghana to beat Serbia (i/r) @ 5.7. WINS 4.6 points.
9. 2pts - Germany v Australia both teams to score @ 2.26 LOSES -2 Points.
10. 1pt - Over 3.5 goals @ 4.2 WINS +3.1 Points
11. 2pts - Ghana v Germany @ 5.5 LOSES 2 Points
12. 2pts - Slovakia v Italy @ 6.8 WINS 11.3 Points
13. 2pts - Honduras v Switzerland @ 4.8
14. 2pts - Germany v Australia unquoted i/r @ 3.25 WINS 4.4 Points
15. 2pts - double Cameroon/lay Italy @ 3.64 LOSES 2 Points
16. 1pt - Holland v Denmark unquoted @ 9 LOSES 1 Point
17. 2pts - Holland v Denamrk Holland (-1.5) @ 2.8 WINS 3.5 Points
18. 1pt - draw ht/Cameroon ft @ 6.0 LOSES 1 Point
19. 2pts - Italy v Paraguay sending off 2 Points @ 4.2 LOSES 2 Points
20. 3pts - Lay Portugal v Ivory Coast. Risk 3 points to win 2.25 points. WINS 2.2 Points
21. 4pts - Brazil (-2.5 goals) @ 2.3 LOSES 4 Points
22. 2pts - Brazil v South Korea unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 2 Points
23. 1pt - Stake split between Lucio to score @ 9.6, Michel Bastos to score @ 7.4 and Ramires to score @ 15.5 LOSES 1pt
24. 5pts - Spain (-1.5) v Switzerland @ 2.14 LOSES 5pts
25. 2pts - Spain v Switzerland unquoted @ 6.2 LOSES 2pts
26. 1pt - treble; Chile v Honduras under 1.5 goals, South Africa v Uruguay under 1.5 goals, Spain v Switzerland over 2.5 goals. @ 14.08 LOSES 1pt
27. 1pt - Slovenia v USA Over 2.5 goals @ 2.68 WINS 1.6 pts
28. 1pt - Draw ht/England ft @ 4.6 LOSES 1pt
29. 2pts - Ghana v Australia @ 2.36 LOSES 2pts
30. 1pt - New Zealand +1.0 & +1.5 @ 2.64 WINS 1.5 pts
31. 2pts - Brazil v Ivory Coast Overs @ 2.14 WINS 2.6 pts
32. 3pts - Brazil @ 1.8 WINS 2.3 pts
33. 1pt - stake split between Michel Bastos and Elano FGS and to score. WINS 1.4 pts
34. 1pt - Laying Portugal risking 1 point to win 2.6 points @ 1.38 LOSES 1pt
35. 1pt - Chile @ 2.24 greened out at 1.8 WINS .2 pts
36. 1pt - in running laid correct score 1-0 Chile v Swiss LOSES 1 pt
37. 3 pts - Spain v Honduras over 2.5 goals @ 1.67 LOSES 3 pts
38. 1 pt - Spain c Honduras correct score unquoted @ 3.3 LOSES 1 pt
39. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 5.5 goals @ 8.6 LOSES .5pt
40. .5 point - Spain v Honduras over 6.5 goals @ 20.0 LOSES .5pt
41. 1pt - double, laying Nigeria and laying Argentina @ 4.04 LOSES 1pt
42. 1pt - risking 1pt to win 1.9 points laying Germany v Ghana @ 1.52 LOSES 1pt
43. 1pt - Ghana v Germany @ 8.4 LOSES 1pt
TOTAL OUTRIGHT BETS -1 pts
TOTAL OTHER BETS -1 pts
TOTAL GROUP BETS +3.2 pts
Overall Profit for Bets During Tournament +5.6 Pts
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TOTAL P/L for tournament +6.8 pts
44. 2pts - i/r Japan v Denmark sending off @ ave 3.43 LOSES 2 pts
45. 2pts - Portugal v Brazil @ 2.38
46. 1pt - North Korea v Ivory Coast draw @ 5.0
47. 1pt - Spain v Chile draw @ 4.6
48. 1pt - Honduras v Chile @ 7.8
46. 1pt - North Korea v Ivory Coast draw @ 5.0
47. 1pt - Spain v Chile draw @ 4.6
48. 1pt - Honduras v Chile @ 7.8
Nice work marychain, didn't see this thread earlier, would like to have contributed in some way.
My own preview has turned out to be somewhat of a curate's egg, will post some outright bets and second round preview when the first round is complete.
Good luck with the rest of the tournament.
My own preview has turned out to be somewhat of a curate's egg, will post some outright bets and second round preview when the first round is complete.
Good luck with the rest of the tournament.
good stuff
48. 1pt - Honduras v Chile @ 7.8
presume you mean Switzerland
with you on the Spain-Chile draw - really hope Chile can do it and send the Spaniards home with the Italians and French
48. 1pt - Honduras v Chile @ 7.8
presume you mean Switzerland
with you on the Spain-Chile draw - really hope Chile can do it and send the Spaniards home with the Italians and French
Marychain is there a missing post regarding the Slovakia result or am I just being stupid?
internet,
Slovakia bet and result are both posted mate, from both before and after the match. Is that what you mean? I did actually have more on, but because I put it on by phone, and didnt put it on the thread beforehand, I am not counting it for this fred, as I am only using bets posted beforehand for my calculations.
0/4 tonight, a shocker. Cant believe Honduras failed to beat Switerland though. How many sitters did they miss? Has cost me a fortune, was convinced the Hondurans would win. Had 3 points on the match result and also had the Swiss to finish bottom.
Still, the Spain/Chile forecast was a winner, but it's scant consolation Brian.
Slovakia bet and result are both posted mate, from both before and after the match. Is that what you mean? I did actually have more on, but because I put it on by phone, and didnt put it on the thread beforehand, I am not counting it for this fred, as I am only using bets posted beforehand for my calculations.
0/4 tonight, a shocker. Cant believe Honduras failed to beat Switerland though. How many sitters did they miss? Has cost me a fortune, was convinced the Hondurans would win. Had 3 points on the match result and also had the Swiss to finish bottom.
Still, the Spain/Chile forecast was a winner, but it's scant consolation Brian.
2 pts - 49. Ghana v USA over 2.5 goals @ 2.76
Ghana have been fairly defensive so far, but the price is simply too big here. USA are capable of goals at both ends, and if Gyan has got his shooting boots it could be goals galore. I also think Ghana are a decent shout to qualify but Im going for goals.
Ghana have been fairly defensive so far, but the price is simply too big here. USA are capable of goals at both ends, and if Gyan has got his shooting boots it could be goals galore. I also think Ghana are a decent shout to qualify but Im going for goals.
Both me and me are convinced Japan will win tomorrow, so that is the main bet of the day;
3 pts - Japan @ 4.2
1pt - Japan ht/ft @ 9
1pt - Honda to score @ 4.3
In the other game, I think Spain are much too short. Portugal have impressed me far more than Spain so far, they seem like they are full of purpose, and seem to have found a decent balance between being solid and penetrative. I like the look of Portugal to qualify @ 2.98, but it seems daft to go against my outright bet, so I will leave it for now.
3 pts - Japan @ 4.2
1pt - Japan ht/ft @ 9
1pt - Honda to score @ 4.3
In the other game, I think Spain are much too short. Portugal have impressed me far more than Spain so far, they seem like they are full of purpose, and seem to have found a decent balance between being solid and penetrative. I like the look of Portugal to qualify @ 2.98, but it seems daft to go against my outright bet, so I will leave it for now.
good money after bad - think Japan were the better side so I'll have
2 pts - Japan to qualify @ 2.16
2 pts - Japan to qualify @ 2.16
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