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After an absolutely shocking French Open tennis bet frenzy (why I don't know, bored I guess), I'm looking at Argentina to win Cup at 8s and then lay off when they get to Semis. Thinking they should win group and then beat Uruguay/Mexico (assuming France win group) and then perhaps Germans in the 1/4s.
Question is : what will their odds reduce to if they reach semis in everyone's opinion ?
Question is : what will their odds reduce to if they reach semis in everyone's opinion ?
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Unlikely I would say - there's been a load of dough for them recently backed in from 12s I believe - I'd be surprised if they were much shorter than 6/1 if they make the 1/4s.
However, last time they played footy from another planet for a couple of games and got backed into favourites - so you never know - difference this time is that Diego is in charge and it makes them hard to back imo even with Messi et al.
However, last time they played footy from another planet for a couple of games and got backed into favourites - so you never know - difference this time is that Diego is in charge and it makes them hard to back imo even with Messi et al.
If your looking for a team to back and lay you've got better options than Argentina.
Can you really trust Maradona as manager? Egotistical mentalist. The most unstable manager in the modern history of International football. Veron starts. Gutierrez starts. Cambiasso and Zanetti left at home. Riquelme refuses to play for him. Messi has never reproduced his club form at International level. They lost 6 games in the qualifiers, including a 6-1 in Bolivia.
Holland will get out the group, are a bigger price, will probably do a typical Holland; play attractive football, score plenty of goals, then get knocked out in the quarters/semis. I recon they'll be flying in the group matches though, and the price will crumble a few points.
Back to your question...... IF Argentina reach the Semi's I recon you will be laying them off at 100/30, that's assuming the favourites, Spain and Brazil are still in the tournament.
Can you really trust Maradona as manager? Egotistical mentalist. The most unstable manager in the modern history of International football. Veron starts. Gutierrez starts. Cambiasso and Zanetti left at home. Riquelme refuses to play for him. Messi has never reproduced his club form at International level. They lost 6 games in the qualifiers, including a 6-1 in Bolivia.
Holland will get out the group, are a bigger price, will probably do a typical Holland; play attractive football, score plenty of goals, then get knocked out in the quarters/semis. I recon they'll be flying in the group matches though, and the price will crumble a few points.
Back to your question...... IF Argentina reach the Semi's I recon you will be laying them off at 100/30, that's assuming the favourites, Spain and Brazil are still in the tournament.
Looked at Holland but can't see how price will drop significantly with Brazil lurking in the 1/4s, irrespective of how Holland get there ? Might be wrong and Brazil may limp to the 1/4s and the Holland price is reasonable, but just can't see it.
Around the 100/30 mark was my guess too which gives me a tidy profit on the bet. Ossie A reckons it's their strongest squad since 78 (Kempes et al). Probably talking sh1te but just have a nagging suspicion the team who scrape thru qualifying play a blinder and walk it to semis, then it's anyone's.
A week or so to decide....
Around the 100/30 mark was my guess too which gives me a tidy profit on the bet. Ossie A reckons it's their strongest squad since 78 (Kempes et al). Probably talking sh1te but just have a nagging suspicion the team who scrape thru qualifying play a blinder and walk it to semis, then it's anyone's.
A week or so to decide....
Luckynot
1) IMO your assumption France will win their group is dangerous. They do not score many, start with IMO their hardest two games in group and I could quite easily make case for them not getting out the group never mind not win it.
2) Irrespective of the merits or otherwise of the Argies, the extreme likelihood is that - even if they reach the SFs - they will need to beat Spain in SF and then Holland or Brazil to win the trophy. If we say they would be outsiders in either above scenaria to win both SF and F, say 6/4 and 6/4, that works out at 5.25/1
Of course the above prices may be miles out but - and with reference to Liam's post above - I honestly can't see the Argies being much shorter than 9/2 in event of them reaching the SF and having the above route to winning the trophy.
All about opinions m8, be lucky
1) IMO your assumption France will win their group is dangerous. They do not score many, start with IMO their hardest two games in group and I could quite easily make case for them not getting out the group never mind not win it.
2) Irrespective of the merits or otherwise of the Argies, the extreme likelihood is that - even if they reach the SFs - they will need to beat Spain in SF and then Holland or Brazil to win the trophy. If we say they would be outsiders in either above scenaria to win both SF and F, say 6/4 and 6/4, that works out at 5.25/1
Of course the above prices may be miles out but - and with reference to Liam's post above - I honestly can't see the Argies being much shorter than 9/2 in event of them reaching the SF and having the above route to winning the trophy.
All about opinions m8, be lucky
No way they would be 6/4 to qualify against anyone - probably 11/10 against Spain or Brazil so I would say you could lay off around 7/2 at the semis
If you take 8s now and close the position at that price, you will get just over EVS to get out of the group and then beat IMO France (or whoever is 2nd in their group)then Serbia (or whoever wins their group). I think they will do OK but if I were you I would just lump on them to win the group at 8/15 - very poor group
If you take 8s now and close the position at that price, you will get just over EVS to get out of the group and then beat IMO France (or whoever is 2nd in their group)then Serbia (or whoever wins their group). I think they will do OK but if I were you I would just lump on them to win the group at 8/15 - very poor group
Clarky - I would lay the Argies all day long at 3.2 to lift trophy if I had Spain and Brazil running for me [:D]
thedemps - 8/15 a good price for them to win group and a far more reliable Argy train to be aboard IMO
thedemps - 8/15 a good price for them to win group and a far more reliable Argy train to be aboard IMO
Practically everyone on here is saying the Argies will struggle because of:
Maradonna's managerial inexperience/ poor selection, (picking his "mates"), etc.
Their 6-1 loss to Bolivia (in qualifying)has been brought up umpteen times, too.
Messi's inability to "shine" for his country has also been rattled out.
However, the fact is - they are still a very good side and anything less than reaching the final would be seen as a failure by their country/fans/football authorities.
Forget Maradona's "ways" - when the team gets out onto the pitch it's down to them not the manager. They are an excellent team with a really good pedigree and are one of four or five teams that could win it.
Rant over !!!
Maradonna's managerial inexperience/ poor selection, (picking his "mates"), etc.
Their 6-1 loss to Bolivia (in qualifying)has been brought up umpteen times, too.
Messi's inability to "shine" for his country has also been rattled out.
However, the fact is - they are still a very good side and anything less than reaching the final would be seen as a failure by their country/fans/football authorities.
Forget Maradona's "ways" - when the team gets out onto the pitch it's down to them not the manager. They are an excellent team with a really good pedigree and are one of four or five teams that could win it.
Rant over !!!
bought in before they got to 8's and happy to sit it out. wil trade out when the price looks right and use the cash to lay England when the country gets carried away with them beating Algeria and Slovenia.
But England will already have been beaten by USA when they face those 2 
think that one will be a draw, but wouldnt be surprised if they crash.
I'm on Argentina at 9s (£1000 with SJ) and am laying at 8.0 for free bet. Don't think they can win because of Maradona, but good cover for my Spain (6/1) and England (8/1) bets....
Argentina's recent WC record is poor: 94 - dumped out at last 16 stage; 98 - lost in q/fs; 2002 - didn't qualify from group; 2006 - lost in q/fs.
They haven't won a major 'senior' title since the Copa America in 1993 (Olympic titles do not count).
They had the best team by far in 06, but coach blew it by being to cautious against Germans in the q/f (leaving Messi on the bench and trying to sit on a 1-0 lead).
I watched all their qualifiers and they have been terrible. They have declined massively from 06. It'll need Messi to do a Maradona a la 1986 for them to get anywhere near winning.
They have completely the wrong squad, no tactics or gameplan under Diego... No side fielding Demichelis, Veron and Gutierrez will get anywhere near winning a WC.
They haven't won a major 'senior' title since the Copa America in 1993 (Olympic titles do not count).
They had the best team by far in 06, but coach blew it by being to cautious against Germans in the q/f (leaving Messi on the bench and trying to sit on a 1-0 lead).
I watched all their qualifiers and they have been terrible. They have declined massively from 06. It'll need Messi to do a Maradona a la 1986 for them to get anywhere near winning.
They have completely the wrong squad, no tactics or gameplan under Diego... No side fielding Demichelis, Veron and Gutierrez will get anywhere near winning a WC.
Where can I get the bet of Maradona to be sent from the touchline during the world cup?
In the four-four-two magazine it says it's 14/1.
In the four-four-two magazine it says it's 14/1.
The one shred of hope for Argentina backers is that when they have been a sub-standard outfit in WCs, they have excelled in the tourno - 1986, 1990, whereas when they have played pure, liquid football and looked the d's b's - 94, 98, 06 - they have flunked.
Having seen that storm in Buenos Aires and victory clutched from the jaws of defeat against Peru, maybe Diego is going to have the assistance of God once more having weathered the storm. They have the advantage of an (in theory) easy group, and looks a good draw for them if they manage to top group.
Having seen that storm in Buenos Aires and victory clutched from the jaws of defeat against Peru, maybe Diego is going to have the assistance of God once more having weathered the storm. They have the advantage of an (in theory) easy group, and looks a good draw for them if they manage to top group.
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