What's the best bet of the World Cup in your opinion?

Spain

Argentina at 10s

lay england every match

i wondered how along it would be before a pathetic anti england answer popped up.

It is not a pathetic response to advise laying England. They are third in the betting, but not 3rd in FIIFA rankings, or in World Cup records. They are overbet and must be a lay for the outright win.

My suggestion is two equal bets on Italy and Germany, both at about 14s.

Germany at 13.5/1 and Italy at 14.5/1 ..... better than England at 6.8/1.

Nigeria 180, not a terrible price for a team from Africa with a decent squad of players such as Taiwo, Yobo, Yakubu, Martins, Mikel

England are good value....only lemmings would think otherwise.

I am not a lemming. Very unkind words. I'm hurt.

And I've watched eleven World Cups on television, all matches.

Kinscem apart from a back to lay why do you fancy germany and italy?

The germans dont look anywhere near good enough to win a world cup.
Italy havent improved since four years ago, theyve just got older with no superstars coming through.

History and value is your answer

Laying England in the outrights.

The Germans have a young experienced team (excluding Ballack and Klose). They prepare better than most, and they go there to win. They are searching for a goalscorer atm.

I know the Italians were poor in qualifying, but they are are a major power.

Everyone is having orgasms about Spains, but you saw recently that in club competitions their classy midfield play can be nullified. In the 2006 World Cup they were also on one of their big unbeaten runs (25 games?), led France 1-0, then France put three past them and knocked them out. Ok, we all want to see a Brazil / Spain final but be realistic.

England are a quarter-final team, last time they had no attack, this time they have no central defence (Ferdinand; Terry). And the attackers have fitness problems: Rooney; Lennon. If they get into July Lampard will be 32; Gerrard 30. Gerrard is not going to make an impact over seven games imo.

Traditional semi-finalists Argentina; Brazil; Germany; Italy will be thereabouts as usual. Between them they have won 14 of 18 World Cups (Uruguay 2; England; France).

People tip Spain; Chile; Netherlands; Serbia. Its better to take good prices about proven tournament teams.

England's price is skewed by patriotic money and hope, not a realistic assessment of chances.

I know the past World Cups is not present form. Some teams go in hope, some go expecting to win.

jair1970 29 Apr 20:19


History and value is your answer





In that case then just back Brazil and Argentina as no europeans have won outside of europe.

In Spain in 1982 Italy drew their three group matches, and qualified above Cameroon, who had the same points and goal difference. Italy had scored more 2-2 against Cameroon 1-1.
Then Italy beat Brazil, Argentina, and West Germany, and won the World Cup.

In USA in 1994 all four teams in the Italy group had the same points (4) and goal difference. Italy went throught on more goals scored, Norway went home.
Italy got to the final (beating Spain on the way), and lost the final on a penalty shoot-out.

They won it in 2006, beating Germany in the semi-final.

Italy can play like a pub team, get throught their group, and progress where others fold on the big occasion.

England 12 World Cups; 1 win; 1 semi-final; 6 quarter-finals; 1 round 2; 3 round 1.

Brazil 7 finals; Italy 6; Germany 7; Argentina 4. = 24 of 36 finalists in the 18 World Cup finals.

Of the 22 finalists starting at 1966 those four teams supplied 17 of 22 finalists (England 1966, France 1998; 2006, Netherlands 1974;1978 are the other 5 finalists since 1966).

Anyone who says any of those four teams is going to the World Cup without a chance might be right. I prefer to back them.

All you are telling me is history, nothing about the current team?

Thats how I pick horses. Form.

We will see in July if it is Serbia; England; Spain; Ivory Coast in the semis.

Theres no substance to your analysis. Its not relevant form if Italy won the world cup in 1982 and made the final in 1994 Rossi and baggio wont be playing. You are backing teams purely on previous world cups not current form or players! If they played 11 italian postmen would you still back them?

Great post Rampage! lucky you did that because I was just about to back Uraguay!!

You dismiss my analysis. Ha. Come on the postmen.

FIFA rankings 28/04/10

1 Brazil 1611
2 Spain 1565
3 Portugal 1249
4 Netherlands 1221
5 Italy 1184
6 Germany 1107
7 Argentina 1084
8 England 1068
9 Croatia 1052
10 France 1044

According to the FIFA ratings ,Portugal are the value bet

portugal :^0

and argentina a big lay then

You would be NUTS not to back BRAZIL.

kincsem - That might be the biggest load of rubbish ive ever read on the betfair forum.

Englands price is skewed because of patriotism?....why havent bookies offshore got England at bigger prices then?

And that stuff about "world cup form"....really, the mental health act of 1983 springs to mind...get help mate.

kincsem 29 Apr 20:37
The Germans have a young experienced team (excluding Ballack and Klose). They prepare better than most, and they go there to win. They are searching for a goalscorer atm.

I know the Italians were poor in qualifying, but they are are a major power.

Everyone is having orgasms about Spains, but you saw recently that in club competitions their classy midfield play can be nullified. In the 2006 World Cup they were also on one of their big unbeaten runs (25 games?), led France 1-0, then France put three past them and knocked them out. Ok, we all want to see a Brazil / Spain final but be realistic.

England are a quarter-final team, last time they had no attack, this time they have no central defence (Ferdinand; Terry). And the attackers have fitness problems: Rooney; Lennon. If they get into July Lampard will be 32; Gerrard 30. Gerrard is not going to make an impact over seven games imo.

Traditional semi-finalists Argentina; Brazil; Germany; Italy will be thereabouts as usual. Between them they have won 14 of 18 World Cups (Uruguay 2; England; France).

People tip Spain; Chile; Netherlands; Serbia. Its better to take good prices about proven tournament teams.

England's price is skewed by patriotic money and hope, not a realistic assessment of chances.


utter bullshyte./.. look at books all over the world for me and then tell me if betfair is still the best price out there... if its not you wont find anyone offering much bigger. its not just about patriotic money because if it was odds all over the world would mirror the difference..

england have a decent squad and team with a top class, world class even, manager who will make sure everything is right on the day for the team he selects.

im not saying england will win or are really a backable price but you have to be stupid to say its patriotic money keeping the price down.

and before everyone says that other teams are miles better 'value' and then name about six others.. who are these teams scheduled to play in the world cup draw?

holland and portugal for me even if niether wins it they will be entertaining to watch
also having bets on england each game and restaking winnings till semis if they make it that far

Lay England to get out of their group.

Spain to win easy peasy!!!

fifa rankings mean jack sh!t...

Spain v Brazil World Cup Final.

lol ^

Lay fav of every match.

Lay England we have got no chance.

BRAZIL ARGENTINA final

18.5

The Gambler 18 29 Apr 18:04
Nigeria 180, not a terrible price for a team from Africa with a decent squad of players such as Taiwo, Yobo, Yakubu, Martins, Mikel

Are you joking did you see them in the African cup, will be lucky to get out of the group stage - truly awful team

Lay South Africa in the opening game vs Mexico.

i agreee totally with kinscem, myself will be backing Germany, Italy and Argentina split total bet on each

^ are you sure. :| Subsequent posters have proved I'm mentally deranged. ;)

Anyway, it's the greatest free show on earth and I'm going to enjoy every minute.

brazil

i thought it was just a one word answer?

the 50,000 hookers comin to town

The best bet has to be Slovakia to beat New Zealand in the group match. Yes I know it's only 8/15, but I've got it priced up at 1/3, so a value bet IMO.

At club level, the UEFA rankings are quite accurate. You can succesfully predict UEFA/Euro cup matches based on those rankings.

If you take this (ranking) logic further, the value bets ought to be Portugal and Holland.

Especially Holland with a few 'form' players in Ch League final (Robben , Sneijder..).

South Korea 7/2 to defeat Nigeria.

SPAIN WILL WIN

argies and brazil.bet south american winner 5/2ish a money printer

SPAIN WILL NOT WIN

South Korea to beat Nigeria bet of the tournament?????

Its the last group game you fool one team could just need a point to go through and park the bus in front of goal.

World Cup / Top Goalscorer 2010 Lionel Messi Back 10233597574 28-Feb-10
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The man is a genius!

just lay england every match

Think Germany are very big price at 14s, good ew bet.

Spain 4/9 to beat Switzerland.

Brazil to beat N Korea. Whatever the odds are!

south korea to beat greece

Laying England, obviously.

Not every day you get to lay a 16s chance at 7s. Thanks mugs ;)

Englands a 16s chance?

Another lemming...ready to fall off the cliff.

Back Serbia and lay off when get through group and next round

Very interesting stuff, Kincsem. I approach it in a similar way.

ace high your thr leeming if u think england can win it

Serbia

argentina, england and spain to win their groups, 2.52! lump and bump!

Lay Spain all the way from Quarter finals onwards, sure to qualify for quarters.Chile, Switzerland and Honduras shouldn't provide too much of a test, and the available 5.3 should be shaved to 3.5.

ace high your thr leeming if u think england can win it

Im afraid you are the lemming.

One of the dullards who repeat the same mantra again and again when it comes to England..."no chance", "bottlers", "should be 50/1", "patriotic money"..yadda yadda.

If you take an objective look at it, England are worthy of being in the top 4 in the betting, regardless of whether they end up winning it or not.

i think u live on a different planet

OK - let's take an 'objective' look at England's chances.

Firstly, let's analyse the group from which they obtained qualification. It was total pants. The only conceivable danger played most of their important matches without their two best players, both injured by disgusting tackles in our kick-and-rush league.

It may also be worthwhile to take an 'objective' look at our likely team. In goal, we have...well, who do we have? We don't know, really. What we do know is that whoever is in goal, they are not very good. James, Green, whoever, they are so far short of world-class it is laughable. Our likely right-back simply does not carry out even the most basic defensive tasks to Championship standards. Our two first choice centre-backs are a crock and a carthorse. Our back-up centre-backs are so rancid that Ledley King, the crock of all crocks, may go to the World Cup. Our left-back is a decent player, admittedly, but he's not fit. Our second choice left-back will be in America trying to get into Kim Kardashian's knickers when the tournament kicks off, leaving us the splendid choice of Leighton Baines or Stephen Warnock should Cole not make it, or suffer any recurrence of his injury.

So, as a 7/1 chance, our midfield must be good. Except of course, that it isn't. It is likely that our two central midfielders will be Gareth Barry and Frank Lampard. Both would be beaten in a sprint by Douglas Bader, and were overrun to the point of embarrassment by Egypt last time out. Then of course we have the great Steven Gerrard, who has had two good games for England in ten years and over seventy bad ones. We do have a decent right-winger, but he has hardly played all season, and still hasn't had the operation that his chronic groin injury requires, and is thus susceptible to further problems at the World Cup. All the back-up midfield players likely to be selected by Capello are sadly even worse than the rubbish he will put on the pitch as first choices.

We do however have two top-rate centre-forwards. Unfortunately, only one of them will be picked, and Capello will stink out the entire tournament by picking Peter Crouch or Emile Heskey to partner him.

Add the usual tiredness after a long-season, our history of missing every vital penalty we've ever taken, and our record of one major semi-final in forty-four years and what do you have? A country kidding itself, and a layer's dream.

OK - let's take an 'objective' look at England's chances.

Firstly, let's analyse the group from which they obtained qualification. It was total pants. The only conceivable danger played most of their important matches without their two best players, both injured by disgusting tackles in our kick-and-rush league.

It may also be worthwhile to take an 'objective' look at our likely team. In goal, we have...well, who do we have? We don't know, really. What we do know is that whoever is in goal, they are not very good. James, Green, whoever, they are so far short of world-class it is laughable. Our likely right-back simply does not carry out even the most basic defensive tasks to Championship standards. Our two first choice centre-backs are a crock and a carthorse. Our back-up centre-backs are so rancid that Ledley King, the crock of all crocks, may go to the World Cup. Our left-back is a decent player, admittedly, but he's not fit. Our second choice left-back will be on a beach in America when the tournament kicks off, leaving us the splendid choice of Leighton Baines or Stephen Warnock should Cole not make it, or suffer any recurrence of his injury.

So, as a 7/1 chance, our midfield must be good. Except of course, that it isn't. It is likely that our two central midfielders will be Gareth Barry and Frank Lampard. Both would be beaten in a sprint by Douglas Bader, and were overrun to the point of embarrassment by Egypt last time out. Then of course we have the great Steven Gerrard, who has had two good games for England in ten years and over seventy bad ones. We do have a decent right-winger, but he has hardly played all season, and still hasn't had the operation that his chronic groin injury requires, and is thus susceptible to further problems at the World Cup. All the back-up midfield players likely to be selected by Capello are sadly even worse than the rubbish he will put on the pitch as first choices.

We do however have two top-rate centre-forwards. Unfortunately, only one of them will be picked, and Capello will stink out the entire tournament by picking Peter Crouch or Emile Heskey to partner him.

Add the usual tiredness after a long-season, our history of missing every vital penalty we've ever taken, and our record of one major semi-final in forty-four years and what do you have? A country kidding itself, and a layer's dream.

OK - let's take an objective look at England's chances.

Firstly, let's analyse the group from which they obtained qualification. It was total pants. The only conceivable danger played most of their important matches without their two best players, both injured by disgusting tackles in our kick-and-rush league.

It may also be worthwhile to take an objective look at our likely team. In goal, we have...well, who do we have? We don't know, really. What we do know is that whoever is in goal, they are not very good. James, Green, whoever, they are so far short of world-class it is laughable. Our likely right-back simply does not carry out even the most basic defensive tasks to Championship standards. Our two first choice centre-backs are a crock and a carthorse. Our back-up centre-backs are so rancid that Ledley King, the crock of all crocks, may go to the World Cup. Our left-back is a decent player, admittedly, but he's not fit. Our second choice left-back will be on a beach in America when the tournament kicks off, leaving us the splendid choice of Leighton Baines or Stephen Warnock should Cole not make it, or suffer any recurrence of his injury.

So, as a 7/1 chance, our midfield must be good. Except of course, that it isn't. It is likely that our two central midfielders will be Gareth Barry and Frank Lampard. Both would be beaten in a sprint by Douglas Bader, and were overrun to the point of embarrassment by Egypt last time out. Then of course we have the great Steven Gerrard, who has had two good games for England in ten years and over seventy bad ones. We do have a decent right-winger, but he has hardly played all season, and still hasn't had the operation that his chronic groin injury requires, and is thus susceptible to further problems at the World Cup. All the back-up midfield players likely to be selected by Capello are sadly even worse than the rubbish he will put on the pitch as first choices.

We do however have two top-rate centre-forwards. Unfortunately, only one of them will be picked, and Capello will stink out the entire tournament by picking Peter Crouch or Emile Heskey to partner him.

Add the usual tiredness after a long-season, our history of missing every vital penalty we've ever taken, and our record of one major semi-final in forty-four years and what do you have? A country kidding itself, and a layer's dream.

OK - let's take an objective look at England's chances.

Firstly, let's analyse the group from which they obtained qualification. It was total pants. The only conceivable danger played most of their important matches without their two best players, both injured by disgusting tackles in our kick-and-rush league.

It may also be worthwhile to take an objective look at our likely team. In goal, we have...well, who do we have? We don't know, really. What we do know is that whoever is in goal, they are not very good. James, Green, whoever, they are so far short of world-class it is laughable. Our likely right-back simply does not carry out even the most basic defensive tasks to Championship standards. Our two first choice centre-backs are a crock and a carthorse. Our back-up centre-backs are so rancid that Ledley King, the crock of all crocks, may go to the World Cup. Our left-back is a decent player, admittedly, but he's not fit. Our second choice left-back will be on a beach in America when the tournament kicks off, leaving us the splendid choice of Leighton Baines or Stephen Warnock should Cole not make it, or suffer any recurrence of his injury.

So, as a 7/1 chance, our midfield must be good. Except of course, that it isn't. It is likely that our two central midfielders will be Gareth Barry and Frank Lampard. Both would be beaten in a sprint by Douglas Bader, and were overrun to the point of embarrassment by Egypt last time out. Then of course we have the great Stevie Me, who has had two good games for England in ten years and over seventy bad ones. We do have a decent right-winger, but he has hardly played all season, and still hasn't had the operation that his chronic groin injury requires, and is thus susceptible to further problems at the World Cup. All the back-up midfield players likely to be selected by Capello are sadly even worse than the rubbish he will put on the pitch as first choices.

We do however have two top-rate centre-forwards. Unfortunately, only one of them will be picked, and Capello will stink out the entire tournament by picking Peter Crouch or Emile Heskey to partner him.

Add the usual tiredness after a long-season, our history of missing every vital penalty we've ever taken, and our record of one major semi-final in forty-four years and what do you have? A country kidding itself, and a layer's dream.

sorry about the quadruple posting. Dunno what happened there.

utter garbage of course.. typical england knocking.. qualify in a superb fashion after the mclaren debacle (two losses against essentially the same team and outplayed in both games) and is because the group is easy.. blah blah blah

england arent the best team in the world by any means but your simplistic attitude and reasoning means nothing..

no doubt you will say were only 7s because of patriotic money as well :) please do and make me laugh even more.

englands midfield (potentially) of lennon (fit again) barry lampard and gerrard (unfortunately) or milner (hopefully) matches up well enough and has enough variety to trouble all midfields.. it wont overrun spain or brazil with their passing and technique your right but against anyone else (especially if cole and johnson are burnign up the wings from left and right back) they will be more than enough. there is goals in it and more than enough pace where it counts the most even if gerrard is cutting in from the left and havign pot shots which is all he can do.

and whether crouch or heskey or carlton cole or whoever up front they have all prved that they can play with rooney and leave him to it, and he has proved on all fronts, domestic, champs league and for england, he is up to scoring goals..

england are RIGHTLY third favs in the betting all over the world. not just with UK books. this is down to the potential squad, havign oneo f the worlds great players in great form up front, a world class manager taking charge, a fairly easy draw to the semi finals... numerous reasons..

i would be shocked if england didnt reach the semis..

and england would beat germany if they finished second as well. poor team on paper and on the pitch.

morrissey, you're right about Rooney, but do you truly believe a midfield with milner barry and lampard in it matches up well against the best teams in the world? Truly?

does it really have to

did any of the greeks team by defence, mid, forwards match up

seriously,.. did any of the italians depts match up on paper? nope and nope... its about how the collective plays and none of those itialians or greeks are the best in their positions either...

i just think its easy to knock england, name the last time an england team was turned over in a bad way by ANYONE in any tournament. you will have to really think because it doesnt happen. even when brazil beat us a few years ago we were unlucky not to go in at half time 1-0 up and we were far from humiliated.

semi finals with some ease i think and then we have a chance.. if ppl dont think so then they really dont understand football, knock out football and betting.. and im not having a dig at yuo personally.

You are right of course, we rarely get turned over badly. We just get beaten, over and over and over again, because we do not pick the right players, and because we do not know how to keep the ball.

Anyway, good luck with your bets.

ill reverse your question..

do you really think the greeks or italians overpowered ppl with possession? great technique and 60%+ ball ownership like some teams might?

i just think ppl look too deep into it and look too far back. look at what is in front of you and how they qualified and we had players missing and injured in qualifying..

look at the draw, really really do you think england wont win the the group and then really do you not think england wont go through the next two games fairly comfortably.. the aussies are ok but nothing special and then is it second in group a or even first.either way we shuoldnt be worried and will be decent favs for both games..

imo and i shall check thr draw prop at some point.. we are about the right price.. we dont need to win every game and the aussies could be harder than the game after imo.. if brazil and spain were in the same side of the draw id honestly think we were slightly overpriced..

tuckyboy
You are right about the centre-backs. Most of the defence is a bit iffy. What will probably happen is England will coast through the group stages, but will ship goals when they meet the real contenders.

whats your evidence that england will ship goals to any of the main contenders? im not being stupid here or havign a go just whats your evidence.. we have NEVER been battered in a world cup in recent times. we rarely lose by more than one goal or penalties..

i just dont see it and think its just obv anti england sentiment but good luck

My comment that England might ship goals due to a weak defence did not mention previous World cup performances.   That was your slant on my post.

My guess is this England defence is not very good, especially at centre-back.  And the two main men in midfield, Lampard and Gerrard are old.

gerrard will be shipped out on the left away from the main action, do you not think capello will have a plan to protect his defence? seriously?

and a fit defence of johnson
rio
terry (although id prefer king)
ashley cole

is as good as anything in south africa. johnson isnt the best defender i agree but the rest.. top class if king plays. and in front of them will be two holding midfielders i think.. with lennon on the right and gerrard on the left (ratehr have milner) bombing for4ward