Should England take the underperforming S Gerrard to the World Cup?

Hope James Milner gets a fair crack at it

Hopefully Capello will pick players who are performing well for their clubs. No room for Stevie**in the squad for me.

capello talks a good game about pickin players on form but ive yet to see it. continues to pick the same old names in his squads that havent played well in donkeys. ie upson, bridge, gerrard etc

ha ha ha a joke.

lolworthy thread of blind hate

After the performance last night defo not what a load of sh!t... but if the manager doesn't take him there would be uproar....

Watched last night here in Brasil on ESPN Liverpool v Unirea and the Brasilian people just laughed at how many times he lost the ball

Deako
Brasil

He has been shocking all season long , injured / doesnt like Benitez ?

Gerrard at even 10% of his ability is better than anyone you can name to replace him at 100% of their ability.

dont be stupid you co7uld name three players to play better on the left wing than gerrard

Gerrard is good at strolling around. So is Beckham. They could stroll through any match, and probably will. ;)

people dont know things about football or dont like liverpool

Mehmet j mook. England.

Ukmalllia 19 Feb 16:11
Gerrard at even 10% of his ability is better than anyone you can name to replace him at 100% of their ability.

not quite sure about this, any thoughts?

fisher man

just think for yourself instead of asking others.

sorry forgot to put my name and location at the bottom of my previous post like deako does.

Mehmet J Mook
England

Current form is huge imho

Carrick is a much more effective player and will bring mor eto the table of the team. Gerard and Lampard too similar. I'd play neither tbh

Ukmalllia 19 Feb 16:11
Gerrard at even 10% of his ability is better than anyone you can name to replace him at 100% of their ability.

:^0 utter garbage pmsl

Ukmalllia 19 Feb 16:11
Gerrard at even 10% of his ability is better than anyone you can name to replace him at 100% of their ability.

Probably the most disrespectful statement only a deluded scouser stuck in the 1970s could say

'Diamond' Joe Quimby 21 Feb 13:47


Current form is huge imho

Carrick is a much more effective player and will bring mor eto the table of the team. Gerard and Lampard too similar. I'd play neither tbh

you are calling other peoples opinions garbage,look what you wrote!!! Carrick is a much more effective player and will bring more to the table.

No he isnt and no he wont. Utter utter total tripe!

Carrick is a more effective player than Gerard.
He controls the pace of a game better, is a better passer etc..
Carrick is in good form, Gerard is not.
Carrick is used to being part of an ambitious successful team.

The myth that Gerard is world class is another myth like Torres being the best striker in the world that Pool fans like to believe.


Explain how you believe in facts how Carrick is not a more effective player than Gerrard.

Gerrard was abysmal at the last world cup. During qualifiers he has been average. Where is this world class player you talk about?

Maybe you have mixed him up with Alonso who is a genuine world class player. Funny how Pool have gone downhill since he left. Surely with the main man in midfield still, they shouldn't have gone downhill that much, but they have.

capello talks a good game about pickin players on form but ive yet to see it. continues to pick the same old names in his squads that havent played well in donkeys. ie upson, bridge, gerrard etc

100% correct

antwalsh 21 Feb 14:45
Ukmalllia 19 Feb 16:11
Gerrard at even 10% of his ability is better than anyone you can name to replace him at 100% of their ability.

Probably the most disrespectful statement only a deluded scouser stuck in the 1970s could say

It's what you call..a FACT.

The fact is that Liverpool have been utter gash for the last few years and the hype of Gerrad carry's on..... other players don't get the chance, because they are celebrity's nowadays footballers (sponsorship deals worth £m)...it wouldn't be good for the manager to drop them.mainly about sponsorship .... look at the players that play constantly well week in week out with little or no sponcership but work there goolys off on the pitch... look at the foreign players playing over here ,you do not see any of the top so called English players going to Italy,Spain,Portugal because they are technically inferior to these players from these country's including Brasil ...I watch Brasilian football and most of the players here not even in the National team would play at the highest level in Europe that is why more and more are now starting to get dual nationalities to play in europe.

Which player would you take in his place?
This only mho
Deako
Brasil

What a stupid thread, Gerrard would walk into any side in the world.

Yet again watching from Brasil ...people just laugh at Gerrard yet again what ALOAD OF RUBBISH world class NOT...just seen him pass ball forty yards to no one!!!

Will not perform yet again if they take him!!!!

Deako
Brasil

Yet another sheit display was Capello watchin if he was don't take him to the world cup teach him a lesson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He played his usual brilliant game last night, and is on course for the World Cup. He is world class.

Don't believe anything I post.

gerrard is one of the true world class players that england have in

their squad . the time to be on form is at the world cup not 3 months

before it.

So your telling me he will get better in the next threee months your havin a laugh... :^0
IMHO not never.. gone !!!
Brasil
B-)

Gerrard "world class"

:^0 :^0 :^0 :^0 :^0

One of the funniest things I've ever read on here!

Gerrard has always been crap for England but he gets selected anyway, I don't see how anything will change this time round, lol

Yet again this underperforming "superstar" rofl....should not go to world cup but no manager has the balls to drop him even for Liverpool ....sponcers money talks ...

Come on someone tell me who would they take in his place ..even Lampard doesn't deserve to go IMHO....but yet again the english game is void of talented players due to the infux of all these foreign players. Young players not given the chance to play at a higher level....
tell me who they are ?
What will the excuses be when we get knocked out ?....

Brasil
B-)

its a good job your opinion doesnt matter. No lampard or gerrard :)


Mehmet j mook
England.

What a joke he is the amount of players between him and the goalkeeper and what does he do ....world cup no IMHO please Mr Capello give someone else a chance with better form than this overrated player

johnnyrant 25 Feb 21:40
most ridiculous thread I've ever read. Get rid of your pathetic club bias. Any tiny chance Eng have of winning the WC will be with Gerrard playing in the team.
He could play full back, central midfield, forward playing in the hole or wide midfield, and be the stand out player in any of these positions. He would be best deployed in central midfield or in the hole, but that is another story

that is the biggest pile of horse manure ive ever read.. the two men who know more about his abilities than any of us on here, capello and benitez trust him with nothing in the centre of midfield.. and at international level and the highest level of club football, he isnt clever enough to play in the hole. thats why he constantly comes up v short against the best sides in england and in europe..

gerrard wouldnt be the best player at his club side in almost any position and as for england? he hasnt had a good game for his country for a long long time. prob 5 years, not for an alleged world class player who supposedly has so much impact. its nothing to do with him being a liverpool player but talking over rated players like him up is stupid. id rather have four carricks or barrys in my midfield than four gerrards.

Gerrard plays for a club who will probably finish sixth in the Premier league. Why?
I expect Rooney will spend much of the World Cup in midfield trying to shore it up.

Although Gerrard has had a poor season, he is one of 3 players in the England squad that can win a game on his own. His current form has been patchy to say the least but like any world class player he can pull something special out of the bag.

when was the last time the useless fker pulled anything from that bag against united, chelsea, arsenal, city or even spurs..  against anyone any good int he champs league.. and for england..

you cant keep living in the past with players like him.. legs look they have gone a bit to me and he isnt the most skillful..

id have adam johnson or esp joe cole there anytime

One player that I'am impressed with of late is this lad Bale very good left foot,very quick,good athlete and would be in my squad for sure,now that G Barry is a doubt.

But still would not take Gerrard ...but Capello hasn't the balls because of sponsers not to take him....but who would be in his place.

Blupper thought he was english silly me!

Could be handy in any bar room brawl thou!

Anyone who says Gerrard should not be in the squad and start is either trying to get a reaction from pool fans or severely deluded. That is all.

why is that... i couldnt realkly give a fk about the scousers when it comes to england..

facts are that your hero gerrard hasnt played well, never mind greatly, and especially not consistantly so for england for 5 years plus..

if you annot see it then fair enough..

Gerrard is not my hero by any means and I'm not even English I just think he's one of your better players.

he hasnt been one of englands better players for 5 years and if you can remember when he was, especially in an england shirt feel free to enlighten me.. im not being sarcastic please prove me wrong..

Your 'argument' betrays you Morrissey. You're a sad Manc fan probably secretly wishing G.Neville gets in the squad instead. Clearly none of this happened in the parallel universe you exist in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDZoZFkd1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRED_L8LDs4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWy30zH0FxY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czjtXt1vZyw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2RudnkQ68U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIiW9WDxO5M&feature=related

as a liverpool fan i have to say that gerrard has been well below par this season. but to say he is to be dropped is jsut stupid he is a player for the big stage and can win a game on his own. also to say that he has been poor for england for a while again i have to agree but how many games has he played in his correct postion in midfiled with a holding midfielder behind him instead of playing left midfield. if lampard was to   play left midfield for england we would say how rubbish he would have played for england over the last few years.

if england are to win this world cup they are going to need players who can do something special even well they and the team are playing bad and i think england only have 2 players who can do this rooney being 1 and gerrard being the 2nd.

im a Pool fan and i dont think he should be in the Liverpool side

i cant be bothered to watch all of that johnnyrant..

tell me whatgames they are from and the score and gerrards impact in them ta... especially for england...

he hasnt been good for england on a consistant level for at least 5 years

and this about him winning games on his own.. tell me when he last did that against a top side for engladn or liverpool.. and ill include all games against city and spurs in that list too given they finished 7th this year

ok i gave in and looked at them.. so two goals against coratia in a 4-0 win in which lampard also scored two.. a cuople of goals from 4 years ago and one against macedonia?

so what.. im not on about just the goals scored at home against average teams.. im on abuot general play.. where yuo can say tht he dragged england off their arse and led them to glory.. he isnt alone ni being overrated so its not a liverpool thing.. but for england/ he hasnt been any good for a long time.. cant even get in his rightful and fav position.

Yes

All i hope is that liverpools shocking season...will prove to be a god send, when it comes to gerrards perfomance in the world cup.
Hes not had a hard season, his head dropped as soon as he knew pool had no chnce of winning anything. The one time where he had a chance of silverware in the europa semi final against ath madrid in the second leg, for the first 60 minutes he ran the show was by far and away the best player on the pitch.
so in my opinion its a fresh gerrard coming into the world cup, hes going to be hungry for success and wanting to impress..so for him not to go to world cup is just ludicrous. hes world class when he wants to be.

^ thats a bit of faint praise for Gerrard.

He is fresh because he quits when the going gets tough.

yer a bit of a worry why he faded in the later stages of the game...the whole team has done it all season.

gerrard is a flat track bully who has NEVER performed well or great consistantly against united arsenal and chelsea.. which is why united fans dont really rate him as high as they do the likes of lampard and essien (especially essien) and fabregas etc...

he hasnt ever taken a game against us by the scruff of its neck and dominated it. he has been ok and done some good things but torres for the last two seasons has been much better against us than gerrard ever has been.

he has never been world class against the VERY top opp in england or for england. and i dont think we would miss him in south africa to be honest. wed miss lampard much more and im not a massive lampard fan. (essien pishes all over both in my eyes)

I watched Hull V Liverpool (last match of the season) on Setanta.  Gerrard flicked on a few balls and let the other get on with the attach.  Once or twice he went on a small run.  His pence per mile figures must be horrendous.

On his day he is still one of the best around,and capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck when others are struggling.Not had a great season,but has constantly proved at the highest level in Europe over the last few years,that he can be a huge asset.So yes,course he should go,but like all of them has to prove to the manager he is on his game.

ok serious question now and im not just picking at him i genuinely dont see it..

since liverpool got to a champs league final in 2007 when did gerrard last do anything in the champs league.. im not interested in goals scored.. he is a central midfielder who is allegedly world class and one of th ebest in the world..

so tell me when he last proved this in the champs league.. when did he last have his day against a top side? he was gash in every game this season imo..

living in the past with him.. same as we may be with terry as well who has lost some of the pace he never had.

He has done more in the Champions league than any other English Central Midfield player,maybe Lampard can be compared but you said you aint interested in goals.
If Capello decides his form dont warrant a starting place, and someone else does, thats fair enough.But he has to go, cos on his day he IS one of the best midfielders around.I aint got a problem if say Milner proves the better option or indeed someone else(cant think who)but to not take him would be nothing short of stupid.

he shoudlnt be anywhere near the starting 11 and as for goals.. what have they done for gerrard and liverpool in the chumps league since 2007? nothing.. its not about just scoring when hanging off a great forward...

great midfielders drag their team back from the brink, a greatmidfielder woudl have won the title last season imo...

he isnt a great midfielder and hasnt played well agaianst the top sides for 4-5 years..

Morrissey is spot-on about Gerrard.

We have to accept that the Gerrard who has played like a God for Liverpool the last ten years is not capable of adapting to the demands of International football.

I wouldn't take Lampard, or Barry, to a World Cup either.

he hasnt been like a god for liverpool for the last ten years :)

has been average at best against the other big clubs in england for 10 years and played sporadically well in europe and not that often for england...

I can't really have him as an England player mate, but he has been brilliant for Liverpool, you can't take that away from him. It is not his fault they have fallen short, and are now on the verge of being FINNISH.

im being dead serious.. when was he last brilliant for liverpool against the top sides here or in europe...

thats why i rate players like lampard and fabregas and essien so highly.. they consistantly play well against us even in defeat... abnd always play well against the other top sides when i see them on tv etc

and i dont really rate gerrard.. been missing against us far too many times and doesnt even stand out against us in pish poor liverpool performances, to the point where scousers will point out one off games where he has scored or beenok.. forgetting about games when fletch or anderson have made him look average..

some liverpool players always show against us.. but not him

Out of interest Morrissey what would your preferred England starting X1 look like?

ok here goes... and is conditional on fitness obv

hart/james (dont think there is much between them really)

johnson (gerrard if not him as i stated elsewhere) but i like what johnson can do going forward and its not like the world cup is full of magical left wingers.

rio - still the best we have if fit and has shown that he plays well at major tournies for england
king- can get the rest he needs... and should be in, is fast and decent on the ball and will be a perfect foil for rio

a cole.. with evra prob the best left back in the world, again is proven for his country


barry- proves that he does the job for england and will keep it simple as would carrick..

hargeaves (if fit and picked) is the best midfielder we have, well he was, he can do it all and play in any position. always done well for england especially when picked for big games..

lampard.. grown to be a big fan, let him roam free and the other two can hold. can score obv and is capable of keeping the ball

lennon- is very very quick, if fit he has the ability to run defences ragged  and isnt afraid to get back and help as he will have to and from a starting base of 3 up front he can just stay right hand side and hlep out where needed. milner has also proved he can play here if needs be.

joe cole- with rooney easily the most gifted skillful player england have. can create from nothing and good on set pieces as well..

wayne rooney- the best english player for 30 years, is now scoring the goals a world class forward should as he is the main man and canopen defences up with skill and his passing...

Funnily enough the only change I'd make to that team if everyone is fit (which is a huge if with these players) is Gerrard in for Barry and Hargreaves to play DM.

IF gerrard was to play as well as a lot of ppl on here seem to think he is capable of (im not, i dont think he has EVER performed for england well at a major tournament) then he of course would be a good selection.

i justthink ppl are blinkered to his alleged abilities and how far gone they are...

I thought i was having a sensible discussion here,but its clear this is just complete Utd bias.

See ya later,aint wasting any more of my time!!

Oh,before i go,the comment about Evra was comical enough,but Hargreaves??  pmsl.

oh right i have no anti liverpool bias when it comes to england.. i just want the country to win.. couldnt caRE LESS WHO scores or saves anything..

what i say about england is based on what ive seen players do for england and against top teams...

id guess you are a scouser who cant have a bad word said about your god..  pity though that NONE of them can really answer one simple question

name me five games in which gerrard completely owned united, chelsea or arsenal... not when he scored.. just when he showed this world class ability...

when you can.. and i dont mind you checking match reports etc.. for man of the match awards etc.. come back and tell me..

Its not so much your comments about Gerrard,some of which are correct by the way,but the comment about Hargreaves which made me think their was bias involved,it appears i may have been wrong,and in that case i apologise to you.
And i am not a scouser,although Liverpool are my favourite team,and i have been very disappointed with Gerrard this season.Having said that i know what he is capable of and more importantly so does the manager.
As for bossing the top teams,to be honest those sort of games are rarely bossed by one player and are often involving both teams cancelling each other out,so i think you are being a tad unfair on that point.
Anyway,lets hope he can play at his best in World cup,and if he does it will increase our chances,if not someone else will get a chance,i just struggle to see anyone else that is better.Dont want him on the left though!!

To start with, I agree wholeheartedly to want England to win, regardless of club.

However, Gerrard has to be on the plane.

Morrissey, you point out games between the supposed top 4, in which Gerrard hasnt bossed. Fair enough but tbf, most of these supposed top 4 games disappoint full stop with hardly anyone bossing the show for any of the teams that I have witnessed as they are usally very tight and drab. You, being a Man U fan should know this well enough.

Anyhows, he will deffo play and its time to get behind em and hope they bring it home.

whoever is in that team will get my full support.. always have and will although im seriously against terry being in the team..

however like i said, there are some players who always do well against united, and i rate them highly.. i agree its hard to consistantly play well in those games but the world class ones tend to more than have stinkers..

anyway if you have read enough of tghese threads you know i think england have a much better chance than most on here think and from down under ill be cheering the lads on to the (prob) bitter end :)

in 2009 Steven Gerrard was labelled the worlds best player by Zinadine Zidane.Whilst im not suggesting thats true you would of thought it shows the lad must have something about him.

zidane also said once that paul schoels was th ebst player he ever played against..

and they both work for adidas just for the record ;)

talk about Gerrard not bossing big games in the Prem, Morrissey, is a complete non-starter as I see it. I've not seen any player consistently boss any big game among the once big 4. Added to which, it's far easier for a Utd or Chelsea player to look good when they are surrounded by the world's best. Chelsea are like the Harlem Globetrotters of the Prem in recent years.
Liverpool have been dire this season largely due to Rafa's incompetent transfer dealings which have reduced a once top notch squad (2/3 seasons ago) and slowly eroding it by selling good players and replacing them with inferior players.
This has resulted in an LFC side that is a shadow of what it was, so it has been impossible for Gerrard to make up for the deficiences elsewhere in the side, like the truly dreadful Lucas, when previously he was dovetailing alongside the quality players like Alonso and Hamann.
And I genuinely have not seen Gerrard ever play poorly for England under Capello. He has been more than competent while being asked to fit into a position that is clearly not his optimum. I expect Gerrard to be outstanding for England this summer. Let's return to this thread post-WC...

Rooney aside i cant think of any player that has played consistantly well for England in the last 5 years Gerrard has done as well as anyone else imo

doesnt mean he has been good and if you look at the last two tournaments you willfind players that have been much better... you hjust need to look and take off the blinkers..

johnnyrant you are the only one tht has the same idea about where gerrard should play as we both know he will..

i just think his time has gone to be honest

Judging it purely on what I've seen with my eyes. My recollection of the last WC was Gerrard and Hargreaves were about the only 2 who performed. The rest were well below par. Lampard under Sven was dreadful for an extended period. Gerrard has put in good performances for England during the qualifiers. I really don't see where you're coming from.

just said the same thing myself on the other thread mate just dont get it.

gerrard from the left of midfield is virtually non existant in an england shirt and his primary role is to get in the box and score the odd goal... almost anyone who plays there is hardly used for england either..

i just dont think thats enough at the very top level..

and rooney played well for england until he got sent off in the last world cup.  then again when has he ever let his country down.. other than getting sent off :)

all of englands defence played well in the last two world cups..