20 certainties if fit for World cup squad. who will the other 3 be?

2 of 3 will go out of lennon, theo, swp

I agree but if Lennon's fit he's a certainty imo. I think Cappello will probably stick with Walcott as the other one but wouldn't be as certain.

walcott should be first on the list

Who is Brown?

Surely not Wes?

Yeah Wes Brown was a certainty until he got injured. Obviously now there are doubts but I did put barring injury. We are lacking in options at right back and Brown has the advantage of also being cover at centre back. It's clear from previous squad selections that Cappello wants him in.

Robben.

I can only count 8 definites in your list.

Baines, Lescott, Walcott

SWP, Young

Cole J (if Ancheloty gives him some games to end of season)

darren**

Brown useless can't see what anybody sees in him !

Clockwork, so tell me which 12 players i've mentioned may not go and what odds you are offering on each of them not going.

You said certanties, not who may go. Probables might have been a better word, but even then some of the selctions appeared flawed.

Beckham only does walk on parts now ...... a bit like the famous director Alfred Hitchcock in his films. No footballing reason to bring him.

David Beckham is still the best we've got as a right sided player. His delivery can be the difference in tight games. Id pick him ahead of walcott swp and lennon, to me its blindingly obvious.

leave them all at home.they have no chance

Clockwork, you still haven't mentioned any names. Who do you think is not going? Or which of my names do you believe is a flawed choice?

Green, James, Hart.
Brown, Johnson, Terry, Ferdiand, Upson, Cole,
Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Lennon, Barry, Milner.
Heskey, Crouch, Defoe, Rooney.




Keepers all probables - no definites.
Brown
Terry
Upson
carrick
Beckham (even prior to injury, which is a blessing)
Lennon
Barry
Heskey
Defoe

Only definites for me are:

Johnson
Rio
Cole
Lampard
Gerrard
Milner
Rooney
Crouch

Green, James, Hart.
Brown, Johnson, Terry, Ferdiand, Upson, Cole,Jagielka, Baines
Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard,Cole, Lennon, Barry, Milner, Walcott
Heskey, Crouch, Defoe, Rooney.

anyone that thinks lennon isnt a certainty if fit is an idiot. Well we all know clockwork is one anyways but still

England 1966 v England 2010 ..... age

Gordon Banks 28
George Cohen 26
Ray Wilson 31
Nobby Stiles 24
Jack Charlton 31
Bobby Moore 25
Alan Ball 21
Jimmy Greaves 26
Bobby Charlton 28
Geoff Hurst 24
Martin Peters 22

Average 26.0


Robert Green 30
John Terry 29
Wes Brown 30
Stephen Warnock 28
Joleon Lescott 27
Steven Gerrard 30
Frank Lampard 32
Michael Carrick 28
Aaron Lennon 23
Wayne Rooney 24
Jermaine Defoe 27

Average 28.0


England 2010 is an old team. No good for a high altitude World Cup.

England seem a bit short of players at the back this time:
Terry looks slow. Brown too.
Warnock; Baines; Shawcross; Jagielka; Cahill lack internationals.
Cole; Ferdinand; King are crocks.

The midfield looks a bit aged
Gerrard 30; Lampard 32.
Lennon and Agbonlahor are needed to freshen the team.

Average age of Italy 2006 and Brazil 2002 would have been 28 or above imo.