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By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:20
Horts, I DON'T LAY all under 1.5 runners.

Only those that open on the board at 2/5 or less.

BIG DIFFERENCE.
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 04 Apr 10 18:21
I understand that the opening tote price is misleading especially at the smaller tracks....but I have seen horses open 1/9 on the tote and they are 4s plus on here...my question was at what price would you be laying to return a profit....and as for laying all 1.5 shots no matter what (Horts) I just cant have this unless I am wrong on how that returns a profit in the long run...

Just asking the questions, not having a shot at anyone to offend..
By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:23
You continue to miss my point.

That's okay it's not for everybody.

You are dead wrong about you comment re "smaller tracks". This happens with alarming frequency at the major venues. But only if you are paying attention.

GL this evening.
By:
Ten Joe Bean
When: 04 Apr 10 18:24
Hi T C, can you explaint what you meant by PP? Thanks.
By:
Rowan86
When: 04 Apr 10 18:25
WO R2

Backed the 1 at 7.0 as well. Trainer has good record with layoffs.
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 04 Apr 10 18:26
Ok TheCan....I do understand you but my question is you lay BF prices and not Tote....and I say again I am not trying to offend just trying to see how you can be make a profit laying all tote opening 2/5 or less shots on here when the price may clearly be not 1.4 on BF at that stage...
By:
elpode
When: 04 Apr 10 18:27
#3 for me @ wdb
By:
Horts
When: 04 Apr 10 18:27
lot of money for the 2 at Wood
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 04 Apr 10 18:28
btw I never have ay joy at Woodbine...think it is the bingo type numbers at the bottow of the screen that throw me..
By:
Rowan86
When: 04 Apr 10 18:28
I guess what Canadian means is, that Betfair punters consistently factor the 2/5 price tote price in too much, and this consistently creates value whatever the price?
By:
HERBERT76
When: 04 Apr 10 18:28
If 80% lays are successful it won't matter what the price on BF is.
By:
Legs11
When: 04 Apr 10 18:28
#4 Major Speedball, W2W winner @ WD. GL all.
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 04 Apr 10 18:29
Herbert of course price on BF matters....but at 80% you do have plenty of room to work with..
By:
elpode
When: 04 Apr 10 18:30
booom :-)
By:
Rowan86
When: 04 Apr 10 18:31
Any price up to 5.0 would be OK, ignoring commission with an 80% strike rate.
By:
HERBERT76
When: 04 Apr 10 18:33
that's true but as long as odds on it wont mean much.
By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:37
My last word on this:

Everyone is treating this like it's a "random event". It's NOT. It's well planned, professionally orchestrated by those who pull off this stunt time and again with impunity (ie, regulators and judges looking the other way)

The runners they decide to do this with and manipulate public perception usually LOOK like a standout on paper, that's what makes the deception believable. They are usually well backed on BF as well. None of these, it's 1/9 on t0te but 4/1 on BF. None.

Just pay attention to it and keep some stats of your own, you'll be able to see (and profit) behind the curtain soon enough.
By:
lastmove
When: 04 Apr 10 18:39
2nd at gulf. dutching the 9+5 and a place back of the 6
By:
in the groove
When: 04 Apr 10 18:39
7 for me at gulf

gl
By:
Rowan86
When: 04 Apr 10 18:39
Well done at Woodbine Elplode.
By:
elpode
When: 04 Apr 10 18:40
Thx rowan - hows trix?
By:
stewarty b
When: 04 Apr 10 18:42
Hi lads, excuse my ignorance, (hungover) what won the big race at Santa last night please?
By:
Rowan86
When: 04 Apr 10 18:42
I'm not too bad thanks. Has betting been going well for you? I gave it a break for a while.
By:
Bluenose
When: 04 Apr 10 18:43
walofs
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 04 Apr 10 18:43
OK TheCan we will leave it at that..friendly discussion only wanted...as I say I was interested in stats in relation to BF prices..as we lay at those prices...GN to you and I enjoy discussing issues with you but please leave references to "Curtains" to one side..as it sounds like you are trying to belittle my argument..
By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:44
stewarty b, the runner you were asking for input did. I hope you backed it.

;)
By:
Kirty1011
When: 04 Apr 10 18:45
Good evening all... well full to the brim on a cracking Sunday roast just popped open a nice cold lager and have the Santa / Sunland cards all filled out and ready to roll..

Happy Easter and the best of luck to everbody this evening...

In roast spud heaven here.. :)
By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:46
The "curtains" comment was not in any way connected to your post, or an attempt to belittle your points. It was my attempt to express to others on here that "all is not what is seems" in the markets.

Sorry, if I offended, not my intention.
By:
OVERSEAS
When: 04 Apr 10 18:47
No problem TheCan.....
By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:48
evening kirty

HAPPY EASTER mate
By:
elpode
When: 04 Apr 10 18:49
Rowan86 04 Apr 18:42
I'm not too bad thanks. Has betting been going well for you? I gave it a break for a while.

Not too bad of late mate - been doing okay @ santa
By:
19-6
When: 04 Apr 10 18:49
8 at Woodbine for me.
By:
guru m
When: 04 Apr 10 18:49
gulf result?
By:
All In
When: 04 Apr 10 18:49
GU result?
By:
elpode
When: 04 Apr 10 18:49
happy easter kirty - hope you didn't place them 2 bets earlier?
By:
Kirty1011
When: 04 Apr 10 18:50
Cheers TC... just going back over my selections whilst waiting for Sunland.. Good luck this evening..
By:
Rowan86
When: 04 Apr 10 18:50
Nice one Elplode.
By:
thecanadian
When: 04 Apr 10 18:50
elpode

Happy Easter to you too

bets of luck this evening
By:
elpode
When: 04 Apr 10 18:50
Going with the #8 @ wdb - a lot of bad donkeys here and this 1 seems to be the bast of a bad bunch
By:
Kirty1011
When: 04 Apr 10 18:51
eplode I did but that is what happens sometimes.... could have got out in running but hey ho.. Good luck fella.
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