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Menelaus
11 Jul 12 21:31
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I prefer you as carlos

The original carlos. You know, the waste of time, impossible to read, one syllable, nonsensical, utterly stupid carlos, who showed up on this forum out of nowhere to post gibberish and throw insults at you. The carlos that you were the only who understood and "spoke his language". The carlos that even our resident clown, who is fluent in clownland language, expressed bewilderment on what that mug was talking about.

That carlos

The same one who at first thought what I had to say on here made sense, although he hadn't stepped foot on this forum before, but then just a matter of a few short days he was hurling insults my way, despite myself not acknowledging any of his posts. You know, the one that gave you the chance to shout "even carlos clued in"

That carlos

You know, the carlos who underwent a magical transformation in a matter of a handful of posts, going from someone who posted unreadable, predominantly monosyllabic incomprehensible rubbish, to someone who all of a sudden put sentences together and asked semi-intelligent questions. The carlos who stopped talking in tongues and started posting in english, and amazingly all of a sudden had an interest in money printing, inflation and interest rates of all things. Who knew.

That carlos

The same on who you were at arms with trading posts full of expletives and insults when he first showed he face on here, but virtually a few short hours later you were in a lovers embrace, happily "agreeing" and bothering to write short novellas answering his questions with nary a bad word to be found

That carlos

You know, the carlos who put up those pre-fabricated questions to give you the chance to put up those pre-fabricated answers in a poorly disguised effort to show that you are not all fluff and no substance and gain some respect on here

That carlos

Yes, I definitely prefer you as carlos, the original carlos, the dumb as a bucket of nails carlos, that carlos. Because by the time I'm done with you here, the carlos persona that you are posting under will sound intelligent by comparison and certainly a lot less pathetic.
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Report chatlame July 11, 2012 9:47 PM BST
You have humour. Carlos is a sunny shining guy. End of discussion...
Report Whippet July 11, 2012 10:29 PM BST
meltdown alert LaughLaughLaugh
Report chatlame July 11, 2012 10:46 PM BST
See Bergmans' "Persona" at Youtube and say what you think.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 11, 2012 11:53 PM BST
Melly

You know they have stages in the cycle of grieving. Do they have stages in the cycle of meltdowns and what stage are you at when you start thinking different people are one and the same?

The really funny thing is that when carlos first came on and he thought you were the daddy he accused everybody else on the forum of being me because they were giving it you. He couldn't understand why so many people would think you were a knob. Now he knows.

Wait a minute. Are you sure you aren't carlos? No hang on. You are Mr Ben. ExcitedExcitedExcitedExcited Can I have a go at that pipe when you've finished with it?

Don't tell me. You've got me just where you want me. LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 12:25 AM BST
One minute you have "cut the line". The next your basic pysops tells you that it is time to, "move on". Yet here you are once again pacing up and down wearing out the river bank pleading for my attention. I still don't know whether to be flattered or apply for a restraining order. This isn't sexual is it? I'm very broad minded each to their own and all that but I am happily married. To a woman. Sorry.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 12, 2012 12:47 AM BST
Menelaus' only other persona is that of a fluffy bunny wabbit.
This forum is reserved for his alter ego the pit bull.
Report Mrben July 12, 2012 3:24 AM BST
omg.What a pathetic plea for help.

melly you are so dee through.its because you so thick in the head.

as stated by others- you like carlos because he thought you were making sense.Then, after  a day or two, he came to his senses and saw you for the total dimwit aszhole you are.

I say plaudits to carlos.Instead of stickng to  a badly flawed opinion ( your specialty by the way}, he saw the error of his ways, admitted it and rejected your preposterous position on all things.

The entire forum see thru you now melly, you have posted rank stupidity for too long.The game is up.You should resign and  get back to the inmates forum at your asylum.

In others  words_ I'll spell it out for you dumbasz--- fk off.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 11:56 AM BST
That went well for you Melly. Are you ready to throw the towel in yet?
Report Menelaus July 12, 2012 12:23 PM BST
Here's where you were wrong:
1. You lost your patience. I was suspicious of carlos since day one. The tiiming of his appearnce, where he knew exactly where to find you although you're not a regular here, the gibberish to hide behind were all red flags. Therefore, I ignored his drivel although acknowledging his posts insulting you would have been beneficial to me. I totally ignored him. You got frustrated and changed the "bad cop, good cop" routine a lot sooner than you should have.
2. The passive and active use, the stylistic use of the word "question" and what it was trying to accomplish is identical in your posts and his. Well, your posts basically. You can hide behind the gibberish, but you can't hide how you think.
3. The personality revealed in your comical "why printing doesn't lead to inflation" fable is identical, I don't mean very close, I mean identical to most of carlos's posts. The guy asking the question had an identical personality to the guy asking it. Can I bet on that probability?

Your pathetic attempt to "bring in reinforcements" and deceive would probably work on most clueless mugs as evidenced by other posts on here. You probably forgot in your haste to "score points" that I started in the mind manipulation business and then economics, not the other way around. Retired teachers don't know that, the guys who work out of Court 4, Orange Zone, at Langley VA do.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 1:46 PM BST
You need to man up buddy. I can't have you falling apart on me like this when I have so much more whup ass to unleash. Consequently, I need to throw you a life line to stop you drowning in your own self pity.

My suggestion is that you do what you did when I first came here. You went outwith to the politics forum. So do the same thing again and go to the boxing forum. It also doesn't have a lot of traffic so you will probably only need to go back a few pages to see me and carlos going at it like two ferrets in a sack.

Then come back and let me know what you think then.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 1:48 PM BST
Langley? LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

You are Clarice Starling and I claim my £5. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 1:49 PM BST
But I only want payment in gold or beans.  LaughLaughLaugh
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 12, 2012 1:53 PM BST
I think we might just have tipped into the twilight zone here.
I'm starting to wonder now that the spooks from Langley, VA might even be monitoring this forum.
After all you've gotta keep an eye out for one of your ex work colleagues.
I personally now am going to keep a look out for any suspicious drones circling over my home neighbourhood.
Report Menelaus July 12, 2012 3:01 PM BST
Those shadows you keeping chasing on here, well, as it turned out............they are your own.

I will keep my promise lthough, by the time I get done with you, carlos will sound like a genius. I'm half way there........
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 3:07 PM BST
I'd say you are more than halfway to where you are going.
Report Menelaus July 12, 2012 3:14 PM BST
I rung a bell, look who showed up salivating.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 3:19 PM BST
Yes but it was in your own head and the din from the reverberation of bell clanging on the inside of empty skull was enough to wake me from my afternoon slumber. What do you want? Are you needing some change for a cup of coffee?
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 12, 2012 5:41 PM BST
EO wouldn't you just love to debate all this personality switiching stuff with Menelaus but to take a page out of Woody Allen ( that is from Annie Hall), don't you have to dash as you are expected back on planet Earth ?
Report Eeternaloptimist July 12, 2012 6:20 PM BST
Bless him. If he wasn't already damaged goods then he is now. Who would have thought that the man who complains about diversion would stoop so low? Laugh
Report Whippet July 12, 2012 8:18 PM BST
what is funny is that whilst melly goes around accusing the entire forum of being against him, he actually has his own sockpuppet called the australian (or some sh1t like that), that he uses as someone to agree with, and give some credibility to his posts (at least he did until that account got banned). I guess it is about the only poster that does agree with him. Laugh

infamy! they've all got it in for me!Laugh
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 12, 2012 9:11 PM BST
Just a minor correction here Whippet, I do believe the poster in question was called the Canadian.
We don't want to offend unnecessarily all the contributors from down under, now do we ?.
After all Menelaus has assumed that role unequivocally.
Where all this leaves all the contributors from Canada, I really have no idea though.
Grouped in with Menelaus, whether they like or not ?
What a horrible thought !
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 2:44 AM BST
The original carlos. You know, the waste of time, impossible to read, one syllable, nonsensical, utterly stupid carlos, who showed up on this forum out of nowhere to post gibberish and throw insults at you. The carlos that you were the only who understood and "spoke his language". The carlos that even our resident clown, who is fluent in clownland language, expressed bewilderment on what that mug was talking about.


Sometimes I'm on d iPhone so it is difficult to write well if ur in a hurry anway.  Were looking for advice and think content is far important than grammer etc etc. So bit of a cheap jab dnt u think
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 2:48 AM BST
The same one who at first thought what I had to say on here made sense, although he hadn't stepped foot on this forum before, but then just a matter of a few short days he was hurling insults my way, despite myself not acknowledging any of his posts. You know, the one that gave you the chance to shout "even carlos clued in"

some of ur posts are not bad. I have not insulted u at all. Just called u stupid and an idiot simply because some of things u were saying made no sence.
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 2:50 AM BST
You know, the carlos who underwent a magical transformation in a matter of a handful of posts, going from someone who posted unreadable, predominantly monosyllabic incomprehensible rubbish, to someone who all of a sudden put sentences together and asked semi-intelligent questions. The carlos who stopped talking in tongues and started posting in english, and amazingly all of a sudden had an interest in money printing, inflation and interest rates of all things. Who knew.

This is not true and u know it. My posts are as consistant as can be. Lol. Ur thinking is weird
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 2:52 AM BST
The same on who you were at arms with trading posts full of expletives and insults when he first showed he face on here, but virtually a few short hours later you were in a lovers embrace, happily "agreeing" and bothering to write short novellas answering his questions with nary a bad word to be found


Lololololololololololllllo. U r so thinking along the wrong lines
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 2:56 AM BST
You know, the carlos who put up those pre-fabricated questions to give you the chance to put up those pre-fabricated answers in a poorly disguised effort to show that you are not all fluff and no substance and gain some respect on here


This is exactly y u r an idiot and I called u 1 before. I asked a question and was willing to discuss it with any1 who wanted a disscussion including urself. Yet eo was tge only 1 who wanted to discuss so be it. And it was a ritional disscussion unlike most of outlr previous 1s
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 3:04 AM BST
Yes, I definitely prefer you as carlos, the original carlos, the dumb as a bucket of nails carlos, that carlos. Because by the time I'm done with you here, the carlos persona that you are posting under will sound intelligent by comparison and certainly a lot less pathetic.


See this is exactly wat I mean. U think me and eo are the same person. Or u think we have thought up some consiparacy and off all the people it be against you. My god this is maddness.

See u think me and eo have a link or could be the person. U seem so sure of somethink u only believe. U feel it. Ur dying to say ur 100% sure of it arnt u.

See u think, it's good to think but not in a situation wen some1 knows and knows for a FACT. Do u understand wat I'm saying. Me and eo know, ur thinking, assuming believing etc etc


U just mad cause u tell it like it might be and I tell it like it is
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 3:04 AM BST
Yes, I definitely prefer you as carlos, the original carlos, the dumb as a bucket of nails carlos, that carlos. Because by the time I'm done with you here, the carlos persona that you are posting under will sound intelligent by comparison and certainly a lot less pathetic.


See this is exactly wat I mean. U think me and eo are the same person. Or u think we have thought up some consiparacy and off all the people it be against you. My god this is maddness.

See u think me and eo have a link or could be the person. U seem so sure of somethink u only believe. U feel it. Ur dying to say ur 100% sure of it arnt u.

See u think, it's good to think but not in a situation wen some1 knows and knows for a FACT. Do u understand wat I'm saying. Me and eo know, ur thinking, assuming believing etc etc


U just mad cause u tell it like it might be and I tell it like it is
Report carlos monzon July 13, 2012 3:07 AM BST
By the way take it easy. I would never ever dream of insulting u.

U raise some interesting points sometimes, points I would realy like to discuss with u.

By the way u havnt answered any of my questions
please do wen ur free
Report Menelaus July 14, 2012 10:28 AM BST
If the same person gets exposed as the sick and pathetic mind behind two posters and all the hypocrites on here don't call him out on it, does he make a sound?
Report Eeternaloptimist July 14, 2012 11:01 AM BST
Melly

It's all in your mind. Which is all rather ironic really. The man who claims to be able to get inside peoples heads and make them do his bidding is now looking into the shadows convinced that people are lurking there. I set you a challenge of going to the boxing forum and checking it out. An honourable man would have done so, returned and apologised.
Report Menelaus July 14, 2012 2:45 PM BST
I don't think you clued in yet.

A con stops being a con the second it's exposed.

Trying to perpetuate the con after it has been discovered is, well.........how shall I say, a fool's errand. In your case a pathetic fool's errand.

Your pathetic little game has backfired. Get over it.





























































Stick around though, I enjoy washing the floor with you.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 5:30 PM BST
Irregardles of whether posters are or are not using different chatnames in their efforts to expose the rantings and ravings of Menelaus as being neither novel nor original, I think the real point is that they are succeeding slowly but surely.
His posted views are simply regurgitations of time worn criticisms of the fiat money system.
There is a loud and vociferous camp of detractors of this system, and they simply continue to update their opinions to reflect current times. At the moment they're just throwing the new type of credit derivatives into the mix, and once again are concluding that this makes everything different to all times past.
You either are in their camp or you are not.
If you are, then you will always be investing as if there is not going to be any tomorrow.
If you are not, then you will be investing for the next boom whenever there is a crash, and for the next crash whenever there is a boom.
I'm in the camp opposing Menelaus and his prophets of doom, simply because it's the only positive way I can personally see how to live my life and enjoy the moment.
I may come unstuck, who knows, but I don't go to bed every night worrying about it all, as it would seem Menelaus does. I take sensible protective precautions like everybody tries to, but that's all.
Btw does anybody else think, like me, that Menelaus is actually showing serious, worrying signs on here of becoming totally mentally unhinged.
He's sounding more crazed by the minute.
Report Menelaus July 14, 2012 7:46 PM BST
That's a whole lot of white space to say nothing.

This forum has truly turned into an insane asylum. We have BOTTY who is now posting under the moniker of FROGGY and who was a leading man in the Specials forum with particular expertise in the X-Factor still striving to be heard on here while saying nothing, we have the new chap(s) from the Boxing forum who all of a sudden are experts in economics and both "think" the same way, we have benny the clown who's still the pinnacle of stupidity in any forum, we have the polyahole from NZ who only asks questions but is always afraid to give an answer, and last but certainly not least, we have the chap who decided to denigrate himself by spending the rest of his times on his knees. Quite a cast of characters (and I mean that in every sense of the word)...........and as clueless as ever.
Report Whippet July 14, 2012 7:48 PM BST
I'm trying to work out what psychiatric illness melly actually has. A sociopath perhaps? He meets a lot of the criteria.

Perhaps someone who has worked in psychology, psy-ops for example, could enlighten us all? Laugh
Report Menelaus July 14, 2012 8:49 PM BST
I rung a bell, you showed up salivating two whole minutes later.

You'd be able to figure all this stuff out if you didn't spend as much time, scratch that, all of your time on your knees.

P.S. What the feck do I have to do on here to wake you up that you are intellectual dwarfs participating in a mind bending experiment? Even handing you a program with the plot in advance doesn't seem to have worked.
Report Whippet July 14, 2012 9:35 PM BST
melly seems to have a strange obsession with calling me gay and giving out ****s.

Either he is a repressed homosexual, or more likely, he is trying to repress memories of having to perform "acts" on his uncle and/or father when he was a child. Perhaps this is where all his obvious personality disorders stem from?
Report Whippet July 14, 2012 9:35 PM BST
melly seems to have a strange obsession with calling me gay and giving out ****s.

Either he is a repressed homosexual, or more likely, he is trying to repress memories of having to perform "acts" on his uncle and/or father when he was a child. Perhaps this is where all his obvious personality disorders stem from?
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 9:37 PM BST
You know the really serious implications of Menelaus' obvious seriously unbalanced approach to apparently everything that doesn't quite fit into his little cubbyhole of intellectualism, is that he apparently holds down quite a senior executive position in a " leading" player in the City.
Now that is a bit of a worry to me.
What sort of potential disasters could that be leading some investors into ?
A very dangerous puppy he is.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 9:43 PM BST
Btw Menelaus keeps insisting on talking about theoretical knowledge of economics as some form of intellectualism.
As they say, economics is not even a science, rocket or otherwise.
If you can read and write, you are pretty much able to follow and understand the economic debate, and make a reasonable informed judgement on what you do and do not agree with.
Menelaus seems to have a bit of a problem with the do not part of this last sentence.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 14, 2012 10:05 PM BST
It's only when you realise that Melly is a narcissist that it all falls into place. You will get more interaction with a brick. He doesn't have any interest in the thoughts of anybody else because he has all the knowledge he needs. He will screen out anything which is inconvenient and latch onto anything which reinforces his views however implausible.

My considered view is that he is clearly suffering from small willy syndrome.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 10:58 PM BST
To Whippet
Don't worry about it.
After all he could call you worse. A friend maybe ?
This **** analogy stuff is all just part of the old fashioned lingo in the City to indicate being macho, or talking the talk and walking the walk. Means nothing.
It's perhaps just as well Menelaus doesn't suspect any poster on here as being female, or else we would then get all the predictable misogynist stuff too.
The man's a parody of everything that is wrong with all these misfits who still see themselves as Masters of the Universe, despite all their failures as not only investors but also as normal functioning members of society. Pretty amazing they do still exist.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 11:00 PM BST
Btw EO I did like your desciption of you and Carlos going at it on the boxing forum like " two ferrets in a sack ".
A lovely turn of phrase that.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 14, 2012 11:17 PM BST
I don't know if you ever watched Deadwood (if you didn't I'd recommend it) but it was the verbal equivalent of the big fight at the end of the second series. Brutal stuff. Every time I crawled out of the ring he dragged me back in to give him another pasting. That dude is nearly as crazy as Melly.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 11:19 PM BST
A small word of advice to all on here.
You will note that I essentially always talk over Menelaus and not to him.
I find that in talking about him in the 3rd person helps enormously in taking his posts as merely personal points of views, being expressed by just one of many so-called pundits in the financial sector.
He's a good read if taken in conjunction with all other equally valid points of view, accessible in all areas of the media.
He's neither totally right nor totally wrong.
Just another person trying to find his way through a maze of contradicting facts and figures.
I just wish he would tone down the I'm God factor a bit.
Try either completely ignoring him or start posting around him.
It would be interesting to see what happens if more did what I'm doing.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 14, 2012 11:23 PM BST
No I'm afraid I haven't seen that series ( it's a TV one ?).
I don't catch much TV at all , apart from news and sport.
But I get your point.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 14, 2012 11:34 PM BST
I must confess that I enjoy the cut and thrust of the debate and I do learn things along the way. Even from Meltdown.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 15, 2012 12:34 AM BST
Well I am happy to leave the cut and thrust of debating to you ( after all you're far better at it than me ).
I am happy to sit on the sidelines and enjoy it all.
Just hope you don't start kicking a man when he's down.
That I wouldn't like to see happen to anyone, even Menelaus for all his obnoxious character flaws.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 15, 2012 12:38 AM BST
I agree. I am also beginning to think it is time to back off a man who is clearly under serious strain. He might not know when he has had enough but sometimes you have to do the humane thing.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 15, 2012 12:40 AM BST
Oh that should help, I don't think.
Red rag and all that ?
Report Eeternaloptimist July 15, 2012 12:42 AM BST
Maybe but as long as I leave him alone in the field.......
Report Eeternaloptimist July 15, 2012 12:42 AM BST
And wave it from the next one. Wink
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 15, 2012 12:43 AM BST
Then it becomes animal cruelty ?
Report Eeternaloptimist July 15, 2012 12:49 AM BST
He is going to have steam coming out of his ears when he reads this exchange. I can't begin to imagine the boiling rage which a man of his stupendous ego must feel at being pitied and ridiculed in equal measure. In fact I'm going to bed now and I'm staying under the covers until the tornado has passed. It may be some time.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 15, 2012 12:53 AM BST
Well he doesn't read my side of things for starters. That in itself should get his imagination into overdrive.
Btw while you're under the covers, perhaps you should also stay there till the tornado of inflation has passed too ?
Could be a very long sleep. Better take some provisions with you.
Report Mrben July 15, 2012 7:33 AM BST
come guys, we are nothing compared to melly.

here are some of his CLAIMED achievements

french villa owner

porsche owner

ceo of boutique mergers and acquisitions company

125 pounds a pop lecturer at LSE

kilo's and kilo's of gold hidden in his floorboards

advisor to seth klarman

diner at per se new york where he is regarded as a celebrity by the head chef ( his name escapes me}

world champion expert on hyperinflation

world champion expert on fiat $$$$

undisputed golden turkey on betfair financial forum- worldwide ratings

psyops operative

insider to FBI orange room 4


and thats just what I can remember off the cuff.

no one here can compete with that.CrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazy
Report Menelaus July 15, 2012 10:58 AM BST
This calls for a halfwit cartel group hug
Report Eeternaloptimist July 15, 2012 11:28 AM BST
It's bringing a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat to think that all you have is Norman and Hilda. Do rats do group hugs?
Report Whippet July 15, 2012 12:33 PM BST
Could be a very long sleep. Better take some provisions with you.


I've heard liquor chocolates, tampons and baked beans are good. LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report carlos monzon July 16, 2012 1:53 AM BST
Melenius take it easy.

Eo is just messing with ur head.

He could prove u wrong very easily. All it takes is a copy and paste job.

So let it die.

If anything eo has a right to think me and u (melenius) r the same person.

I accused him of exactly the same as wat ur accusing him off.

I can't believe I was doing that for so long. I was so sure I  was right.


And y won't u believe me melenius i have always sided with u for obvious reasons.

I'm not sure u understand this but eo does
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 16, 2012 2:53 AM BST
Clear as mud.
I'm getting very confused here.
Is EO supposed to be you or are you supposed to be Menelaus or is EO supposed to Menelaus who is supposed to be you who is supposed to be EO.
Got it ?
I must be punch drunk or something .
Report Eeternaloptimist July 16, 2012 11:47 AM BST
It's simple. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist July 16, 2012 11:48 AM BST
Melly is deranged.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 16, 2012 11:52 AM BST
Anyway the explanation is this:

carlos and I have had some right old ding dongs on the boxing forum. I could bring them up to disprove Melly that we are one and the same but where would be the fun in that? The amusing thing which carlos references is that when Melly and myself were going at it and the likes of Mr Ben et al were chipping in and giving it to Melly, Carlos thought that they were are also versions of me.

So in short. You don't exist. None of you. In fact now I think about it. How do I know I exist? I think therefore I am. Wink Or do I?
Report carlos monzon July 16, 2012 8:07 PM BST
Here's a good read. Will make me look like a bit of an idiot but I guess we all have an idiot in us.

Realy good read, must say I found it a bit funny.

How can melenius think exactly the same as me. Lolololol.

Check it. Here goes
Report carlos monzon July 16, 2012 8:25 PM BST
Take it apart then. Line by line.

U tell me that u can take it apart, then tell me wats the point. If ur gona make that type of comment, then wats the point of saying u can u can take it apart.

It's like me saying I can win a million on ere, and prove it. Then wats the point.
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 19:09  
I trained at the very same gym sugar boy malinga trained at when he fought eubank and benn. I spent quite along time watching mcracken, woodall, wally swift spar for over a month. I never missed a day.

Malinga, mcracken, paddy lynch had some very very interesting points even at that time. Somethings I couldn't understand at the time which I understand totaly right now.

And yes of course ino wat ur gona say u dnt believe me and it's all bull. Is that right. Ok cool. Put ur money where ur mouth is.

I'm willing to meet u and provide proper proof of benn sparing malinga, eubank, wally swift, woodall and a few other amatuars at Birmingham city abc. And u can see me on the ring apron watching.

Do u wana meet up at a boxing show with a few regulars on the forum. Then I'll put this subject beyond doubt.

Make it worth my while. Let's have a 2k wager on it. If u want more I'm up for it. I won't accept anything under £1500 bet. As it's not realy worth it for me.

And the regular users on this forum I class as duke, owl, sj, toby, ecarli.


Just bet me 2k and I'll pay the other guys £100 expences for there troubles
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 19:13  
Oh yeh the meeting can take place at a dinner show. Not at a pro show where there is no tables.

U can choose a high profile amatuar show, say the aba finals, schoolboy finals, aba finals or nabc finals.   

Take ur pick mate
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 19:24  
I have at least 7 sparing sessions of benn vs henry Wharton and benn v lou gent.

Benn couldn't even win a round  v henry Wharton and had wars with lou gent. I'll bring that to the table.

There is noway in the world benn could have outpointed henry Wharton if u watch the sparring. And it wasn't a unfit benn, they were weeks and Days before some of his early fights. Time and dates on videos.
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 19:33  
U think it's good that the ref allowed him to hit him in the back of the head all night.

U think it's ok that benn was given a long time to recover, unfairly.

U think it's ok that the guys in this state, worrying about pennies.

U think it's ok.   Look at the direll fight, froch hit direll with 7or 8 punches in the back of the head and no1 cared. It's f00kin dangerous u t wat, regardless of who u want to win.

Of course direll was holding and running a bit too much for my liking but u CANNOT allow punching in the back of the head. Deduct points, disq direll, but do not alow punches to the back of the head.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     06 Dec 11 19:35  
Carlos,reading your posts with interest,you mentioning wharton reminded me of when he fought fidel casro at york,he was given the decision and iv seen some dodgy ones,but this was unbelievable!!
he got hammered and i cant remember exactly who he was supposed to fight next but the judges made sure he got his next payday
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 20:38  
Wats that gotta do with anything
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 20:44  
Dnteatyellowsnow
false teeth man.

How many titles do u need man. F00ks.

I can't respond to u anymore.

Y argue with me, if u can't compete. Y dnt u go watch a few fights on utube or summit.

I'll have to put u on ignore. Uv got nothing sensible to say. No proof.

All u want is a cussin match.

I realy ain't interested anymore.

All d best
tobermory     06 Dec 11 20:56  
The last poster was obviously a different person Carlos , just asking a question
carlos monzon     06 Dec 11 21:06  
Y would u say that for certain tobes. Same style of writing.

And it wasn't a question tobes.  He was telling me summit.


He was telling me summit that has nothing to do with the subject i was talking about.

Henry Wharton loses to fidel Castro.

It's like me telling u benn lost 3 amatuar contests.

And wat.


Totaly insane responce
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 02:23  
Well you asked for it and you are going to get it. Again:

How on earth can a man who is out on his feet in aba final and a number of his early fights suddenly come up with endless stamina.

Two points immediately spring to mind. A generic one and one specifically relating to Benn. The first question is like asking how can someone run a marathon in three hours and then a year later run it half an hour quicker. He must be on something right? WRONG. It is called training. Something which people can do to address deficiencies in most areas.

Specifically relating to Benn he started his pro career as an out and out banger. He wanted to take your head off with every single shot and with most of his opponents it worked and he simply didn't need to build his stamina up. Then he ran into Watson and that fight showed him that he couldn't simply march through people who were at or near world class. It was no coincidence that in his very next fight he reined it back to make sure he got the rounds under his belt and this was the first time he had even been longer than 7 rounds as he went 10 rounds. But the bottom line is that when Benn went to war he remained suspect in the stamina department. Exhaustion finished him off in the first Eubank fight and had McClellan not likely been suffering with cerebral bleeding he would probably also have finished off the exhausted Benn in round 8.

So that is 1 down.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 02:55  
Look at Benns eyes against mcellen. That wasn't normal for him. The guy became superhuman that night. Wen mcellen hits u, u stay hit.

The man was possessed that night, his chin was unreal, his stamina was excellent and the man was relentless.

Y on earth was he knocked out with a jab vs Watson. And it was only the 6th. Strange heyyyyy.

Lets start with the last one first here and I'll start with a simple question. If you push a man to his very limit and he is completely exhausted and then you hit him with the same force as you would if he was fresh which punch would be more likely to trouble him? The fact is that Benn thought that if he hit Watson hard enough he would go and when that didn't happen he just kept on doing it. Watson had a simple but effective game plan. He help an open glove up over his face so that Benn's punches were cushioned and he waited for Benn to punch himself out. Is that a term you are familiar with? I wonder? Such a man is then very vulnerable to any punch. You can push such a man over.

Benn's chin wasn't unreal that night. McClellan knocked the motherfrucker through the ropes and when he got back up after being given a 20 count he looked like he might limbo dance. What happened that night is very similar to what happened to Benn against Watson. Benn was facing a man who in the previous few years had carried all before him. In four years and numerous bouts he had fought a total of 19 rounds. The furthest he had been in that time was 5 rounds. He was smoking mothefruckers in their boots and that is what he was going to do to Benn. The point is though that he had been doing it at middleweight, this was his first fight at super middle and such was his disdain for Benn's strength as a fighter who had been fighting at 168 for years that McClellan came in at 165. There was never any evidence that G Man could or would do it at the higher weight until he actually did it. Look at how McClellan reacted when the ref allowed the fight to continue. From being someone who pre fight wanted to kill his man he was now imploring the ref to stop the fight because he had already put so much effort into his assault and the tank was running low.

The other things were characteristics which Benn often displayed. He was always relentless. As I have shown sometimes too much so. It wasn't a case of being possessed. He was all but down and out in the first round and McClellan simply underestimated Benn, virtually punched himself out, missed a lot and wasn't prepared for a long fight. Benn's comment post fight is very pertinent, "they brought him over here to beat me up". A proud man was fuelled by raw anger at the effrontery of people dismissing him so easily and when he actually got through the sticky patch he was always going to give it his all. Which didn't stop him being exhausted and nearly out in round 8.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 03:06  
I mean look at the interview straight after the fight. He wanted to have a go at anybody, even harry who helped him get through the ropes.

How on earth can u have so much agression in u after uv had a fight like that. Ok the adrellenian is pumping whilst the fight is going on. But 10 minutes later his still going crazy.

Guy fought with 2 broken hands v doug dwit as well.

This guy was on flo jo drugs

I don't recall Flo Jo ever mugging the track side interviewer. Benn was overtaken by the moment. He had come through a life or death struggle in which nearly everybody had written him off and he had thousands of people screaming his name and he was buzzing. Different people react differently. Ali beat Frazier in Manilla and nearly fell asleep in his soup at the post fight banquet in his honour. The man who was stopped boogied the night away regaling a crowd ssinging with his band.

Lets look at this using a process of logic. We all agree that steroids are obviously a problem in the sport. What you are suggesting is that they turned Benn into a homicidal freak who would have carried on fighting all night and chasing the security guards out of the arena. Well okay. If that is the case then clearly this would be the case for all those other guys on the juice. They would be eating microphones and dry humping the legs of the interviewers left, right and centre. Generally that doesn't happen. The fact that it was an isolated incident with Benn suggests that it is either something peculiar to the man or to the occasion and not the roids.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 03:12  
Y did he put this down to hypnosis. Y hasn't any other fighter since put so much emphasis on it.

It was all Collins went on about in his fight against Eubank and it really spooked Eubank out.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 03:13  
I'm done with this bum again. Shooting fish in a barrel would present more of a challenge.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 03:15  
Come to think of it carlos that was quite an irrational outburst earlier against the yellow snow fella. Go easy on them roids man. They will turn your brain to mush.






































































Maybe someone should have told him when it might have helped.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 10:50  
sorry carlos monzon,i have obviously interupted an argument.! i was only mentioning the wharton fight as it was one of the worst decisions i ever saw! heres me thinking this is a forum!
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 13:00  
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 10:48  
Does anybody remember the incredible shows they used to put on when PPV first started? First class main events with stellar support cards. Which boxing fan wouldn't have paid for it? Rope the dopes with promises of fillet steak and a little way down the line you can feed your captive audience on chump burgers. Oldest trick in the book. Unless of course you trust Square Deal Warren.


Look at the times old man. Wake up at the same time as eo do u.

Ur 1 thick idiot arnt u.

Lololololololol. Ur responces r very well written, but the  content is totaly irrelevant to the subject. Lololol. 

I'm not gona reply to u if ur not gona post under the same user name.

If u wana see the sparing sessions, I'm sure duke, owl, sj etc would be interested.

I'll happily pay them £100 eachfor there expences if u bet me.


See ur just mad cus u tell it how it might be and I tell it like it is.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 13:14  
Are you mad or just punchy. Lets be clear here, I think you are nothing but a ccock with a big mouth and an over inflated sense of your intelligence. This false teeth fella has been nothing but courteous to you. This is the post which you took exception to:

Carlos,reading your posts with interest,you mentioning wharton reminded me of when he fought fidel casro at york,he was given the decision and iv seen some dodgy ones,but this was unbelievable!!
he got hammered and i cant remember exactly who he was supposed to fight next but the judges made sure he got his next payday

How anybody in their right mind would think we are one and the same is beyond me.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 13:17  
lol,you have got me mixed up with the other chap,like i say you reminded me of that fight when you were writing about wharton! I know it had nothing to do with what you were arguing about,but like i say,i thought it was a forum!
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 13:19  
And so on to the issue. You begged me to to rebut your shiite line by line and when I do it you spit your dummy out on some phantom pretext. What a bellend you are. Anyway, it's all there and people can make up their own minds whether they are persuaded by reasoned argument or swivel eyed rantings. You are free do what you usually do and smear yourself in shiit and tell everyone that it is chocolate. Just don't get too mad if people politely decline your offer of a lick or it may be the straight jacket and scrotal clamp again. Don't say you haven't been warned chump.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 13:21  
falseteeth

Don't sweat it. I've given the guy a few pastings in debate and it has resulted in his complete derangement. If you think it has been bad thus far wait until they try to reduce his medication.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 13:26  
mmmmm,ok mate,i will leave you two to "slug it out",i think i"ll stick to reading the posts(some knowledgable folks on here) for what its worth though on Benn,im a bit naive but didnt they have drug testing when he fought Mclellan?
owl4life     07 Dec 11 13:38  
Benn never had his drug test cos he collapsed through exhaustion on the way to the dressing room.
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 13:39  
Lololololololol
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 13:46  
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 13:14  
Are you mad or just punchy. Lets be clear here, I think you are nothing but a ccock with a big mouth and an over inflated sense of your intelligence. This false teeth fella has been nothing but courteous to you. This is the post which you took exception to:

Carlos,reading your posts with interest,you mentioning wharton reminded me of when he fought fidel casro at york,he was given the decision and iv seen some dodgy ones,but this was unbelievable!!
he got hammered and i cant remember exactly who he was supposed to fight next but the judges made sure he got his next payday

How anybody in their right mind would think we are one and the same is beyond me.



Errrrrrrrrrrmmmmmm.  It's cus neither of have posted for over 12 hours. And wen u do it's within 2 mins of each other. Wat are the odds of this. Nearly 500/1.

Obviously it's just chance ain't it
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 14:01  
carlos,its just a coincidence,i dont know whats started your twos animosity and i cant be arsed to look back at old posts!,i just like talking about boxing and iv just not bothered posting before much.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 14:03  
Wat are the odds of this?

If it is nearly 500-1 then that would be about the same odds as you laying a glove on me in our debates. By the way, it is a good job you aren't an odds compiler chump. For starters people tend not to post overnight but more importantly the other fella posted this morning at 10.50 and I returned to the thread at 13.14. So where you get your neither posted and then within 2 minutes from I don't know. Well maybe I do. As Roy Castle might have sang, "medication, oh oh, medication, medication, that's what you need.........". 

Game, set, match and carlos bursting into tears yet again. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
Report carlos monzon July 16, 2012 8:35 PM BST
Ooops. There it is again. 2 minutes. There must be some greater significance. Alien abduction. That's what it is. Crop circles and crazy alien motherfruckers sending electro waves into what is left of carlos' brain to find out what he is thinking. Do they understand, "dribble, dribble, beans, oops, shiit meself again."? But more importantly does it have some wider meaning? They gotta know them pesky green men. Quick carlos get your tin foil hat on. INCOMING.
Eeternaloptimist     07 Dec 11 14:09  
He's onto his 19th nervous breakdown and I'm just warming up.
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 14:12  
Cool down eo. Ur too hot for me. Far too hot.

I have been destroyed once again. Lolololol
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 14:27  
carlos,did a boxer called neville brown ever train at that gym? he used to live near me in derby and he was hell of a nice bloke.i know it was between him and woodhall who went to the olympics one year.he used to do a circuit training class at david Lloyds in derby and train a few pros after .i used to watch em spar and he was still fit as a fiddle 7 years ago
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 14:47  
Y is it u only post wen eternal optimist posts. How very strange. Must be my imagination once again.

Y is it u only ever post on the politics forum in support of eo.

R u his shadow.

Have u ever done shadow boxing before. Lololol
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 14:49  
By the way Glenn Catley trained at our gym, wen Neville seen that he ran off
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 17:07  
I'm so sowi I offended u.

Yeh Neville did train at our gym, but like I said wen he saw Glenn cately he did a runner. He ran so fast he broke bolts record and I timed it as I was there and the distance was exactly 100 meters as I also measured it.

I think he ran 9.54.

I told him he should get into the blocks and become a sprinter but he said he needed glenn cately instead of the blocks so he could maximise his sprinting  ability.

All in attendance thought he was on roids.

By the way mate I'm going down the gym right now as iv heard Bruce lee is down there teaching wyn chun. Mike Tyson,  evander holyfeild, mayweather r all down there taking lessons. U should pop down.
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 17:25  
By the way false teeth man, the gym where u watched  Neville brown train, did u ever see lennox lewis train there, i'll tell u he is one hell of a nice bloke and he used to live near me at one point. It was out of him and Briggs who went to the olympics. He used to do a lot of circuit training at one stage in my gym and then started working for hbo as a commentator. And his still fit as a fiddle.

Sowi mate at 1 stage I thought u were eo. My mistake. Appoligies.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 17:59  

carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 18:07  
Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle the cow jumped over the moon, it's a cadburys waat button u tool.


Uv never boxed in any shape or form, yet u used watch Neville spar with a few pros he used to train. Strange, didn't know u could just walk in and watch sparring sessions of world class boxers for free. Ur a very knowledgable bloke I see.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 18:08  
was that to me or the other imaginary bloke? and i think u may be fibbing anyway!!
carlos monzon     07 Dec 11 18:16  
Iv been Reading your posts with interest. 

How many times as e o started off a sentance like that. At least 7 times.

And by the the way ur doing well, ur 1st post u started of with a capital letter. After I pointed out u have a similar style of writing to eo, uv not used a capital letter at the start of any of ur latter posts.

Ur learning mate. Now u defo dnt sound like eo.

Off to the gym now to see jack johnsson in training.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 18:19  
hes dead u fool
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     07 Dec 11 18:45  
i would hardly call neville brown world class! one or two pros from burton on trent used to come in after the circuit for mainly pad work.It was in the small gym in David Lloyds,-not the big names that you are mentioning but for a normal bloke that likes boxing it was good to watch! I may not be as knowledgable as some of the people on here but iv been watching it for over 40 years and i think i could hold my own in a decent conversation.You got me mixed up with the other bloke and now you are resorting to sarcasm,well like i said go and **** yourself and hurry up,- you might be late to hold the spit bucket
Eeternaloptimist     08 Dec 11 00:38  
carlos

How about you address the issues I raised? I told you I would rebut your bullshiit line by line and I did. Now either be a gentleman and accept that you may have called it wrong or come back blazing and I'll put you back in your box.
Eeternaloptimist     08 Dec 11 00:39  
falseteeth

I don't recall you ever posting on politics. Of course if carlos had any evidence you had done he would be jumping up and down about it. Obviously he made an error again and wants it to be dropped.
neilwarnocksfalseteeth     08 Dec 11 14:58  
(But starting threads and making insulting comments  to some1 who hasn't insulted u is plain and  simple wrong). Posted this morning! sounds a bit like do as i say not what i do eh?
Eeternaloptimist     08 Dec 11 17:13  
To be fair to carlos he insulted you because he thought you were me and we have given each other plenty of stick so I'm not too bothered what he wants to call me. It helps that he is clearly barking bad.
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Lolol. It's a cracking read that. Good old fight mate. 15 full rounds. I think we did a bit more dnt u eo. Maybe it's knocked us both for 6, it was such a tough 15 rounder.

Melenius please read. Wat a coincidence
Report carlos monzon July 16, 2012 9:03 PM BST
Menelaus     16 Jul 12 05:56  
@ the all fluff and no substance chap


Feck man, I'll have to give you your props, you made a whole bunch of nonsense almost sound like you knew what you were talking about there.



I'm on my way to Zurich for a brief meeting and back. In the meantime, here's your open book test/assignment, to help you understand that economics is a science not a romance novel.

POST the empirical evidence that supports your statements and it's source. If you don't know which statements among all the fluff you posted I mean, let me be precise. Explain exactly WHAT data they looked at (post the numbers or charts and where they came from) that convinced them that recovery was taking hold. Surely they didn't just deduce that or pull it out of their a$$. Then again, perhaps they did

I'll be back later to mark your paper.




P.S. Please stop the carlos charade. I enjoy slapping you on the face with a dead fish, because you're so stupid. But when you become so pathetic it makes me feel guilty.


Had to copy and paste after that 1
Report Menelaus July 16, 2012 9:31 PM BST
The lady doth protest too much
Report carlos monzon July 16, 2012 9:50 PM BST
U will admit ur wrong will u.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 16, 2012 10:29 PM BST
Wrong? Melly? Hell will freeze over.
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 2:54 AM BST
I dnt know wat it is but people tend to agree with eo for some reason, rightly or wrongly, weather they understand it or dnt. But they seem to agree regardless.

I just had to prove to u I'm not eo.

It's simply because i'm a straight up geza. Eo could have done the same but obviously his just messing with ur head.

Dnt take it so personal mate.

U make some cracking statements which r a joy to read.

Then u make the most stupid comment like gold won't go over $2000 dollars by the end of the year. Come on mate, ease up. Gold was like $1800 a couple of months ago so u can't say never can u. Especialy with all the uncertainty surrounding Europe etc etc

I may not know about the gold Market like u know it, but my opinion is it's gotta a very good chance to exceed 2k.

However I'd say gold is 1/4 to remain below 2k and 4/1 for it to exceed.

Prety sure it will be close to 2k come January. How close, within 300$ of2k I'd say
Report Menelaus July 17, 2012 7:06 AM BST
Guess who put up the most posts on here the last few weeks?

If you said the clueless mugs who went from being more interested in upper cuts, jabs, crosses and hooks, and having never posted on here before, to the clueless mugs who are now all of a sudden more interested in interest rates, quantitative easing, money supply, money velocity and inflation you'd be right. And they showed up on here at the same time. And the more they post, the more the gibberish vanishes, and the use of english and the questions asked are remarkably the same (except since I pointed it out, it seems carlos went back to ape sh1t crazy again).

What an amazing coincidence. Where can I lay those odds?

No one said you didn't co-exist on the forum for the intellectually challenged…..eeeer…..sorry, I meant the boxing forum.

No one said you weren't pulling the same sh1t over there. No one said the charade didn't include "ding dongs" on the boxing forum to complete the act.

The pattern you followed was identical when you first both appeared on here, only to become bosom buddies a handful of posts later.

What I am saying is that you tried to pull this pathetic rubbish on this forum and got called on it. Posters on here, ones with a functioning brain, (which is just about everyone except benny the clown) know that, it's just that some of them decided to embrace hypocrisy to comfort themselves from all the beatings they've suffered on here. You'll know who they are in a minute when the try to "drown" this post with their usual drivel as soon as it appears.

To be fair though, instead of one sick mind behind this charade, there could be two sick minds behind it. It's possible that you are twin brothers with the same sociopathic tendencies, suffering from the same small-pecker syndrome, desperately trying to boost your identical worthless self-esteem. It's very unlikely, the twin brother part, but I admit possible. 

You are a pathetic sick feck. The only thing worse is an exposed pathetic sick feck.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR July 17, 2012 7:31 AM BST
I think you've got him very confused EO.
Twisting away like good old Chubby Checker.
Must be really doing his concentration in at work though.
I sure hope he isn't taking his eye off the ball there, you know advising his clients on how to get their accounts in order for the imminent end of the world.
Pressure, pressure.
Well I'm off for a sunny little swim now. Toodle pip.
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 5:18 PM BST
Melenius r u ok mate.

U seem very very down.

U sound like me v eo here.

I think u need to read the copy and paste job. Dnt think uv read it.

U r sounding more like me than eo ever has.

I'm starting to wonder r u me. Brother r we twins
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 5:20 PM BST
The pattern you followed was identical when you first both appeared on here, only to become bosom buddies a handful of posts later.


Lolololol. Eo u listening
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 5:23 PM BST
What I am saying is that you tried to pull this pathetic rubbish on this forum and got called on it. Posters on here, ones with a functioning brain, (which is just about everyone except benny the clown) know that, it's just that some of them decided to embrace hypocrisy to comfort themselves from all the beatings they've suffered on here. You'll know who they are in a minute when the try to "drown" this post with their usual drivel as soon as it appears.


So where r the people with a functioning brain. R supporting u in secret. Giving u funding or summit. How much r they giving u £125 here and there
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 5:29 PM BST
To be fair though, instead of one sick mind behind this charade, there could be two sick minds behind it. It's possible that you are twin brothers with the same sociopathic tendencies, suffering from the same small-pecker syndrome, desperately trying to boost your identical worthless self-esteem. It's very unlikely, the twin brother part, but I admit possible. 


First we were the same person.

Now we could be twins.

Wats next, eo is my grandad or summit.




Can't u take the fact that I dnt agree with some of the thing u say.

Eg I agree with alot of wat u say, some not.


R u the same person who accused me of insulting behaviour toward u????

Take a look urself.
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 5:30 PM BST
I think I owe falseteeth man an apology
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 5:37 PM BST
Question to eo???

Y does this guy sound so much like me. Shocking.

Does any1 who argues with u end up going crazy.

It must be some mental technique ur using.

Not sure wat books uv read but I'm sure eo has been Reading some books which focus on mentality. As obviously uv sent a few people mental.

1 technique iv noticed is u use alot is u argue ur point well, using persuasive language in a well wriiten way without insulting the opponet, then wen he gets into it and debates going neither here or there u put a few swear words in which makes the other guy lose the plot.

Am I right. Just taking notes for the future
Report Eeternaloptimist July 17, 2012 6:50 PM BST
It's called basic psyops Carlos. I can thoroughly recommend it. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist July 17, 2012 6:59 PM BST
An honest answer carlos?

The short answer is I like debating, I have a talent for it and I don't like losing. It doesn't mean I'm right though.

The longer answer is that I come from the bottom but genuinely did academically well when I decided I wanted to take my shot at the title. I didn't bullshiit you when I said I was a non practising barrister but I come from humble origins. So I have a foot in both camps. I'm like Hagler: I can box to beat the banger and I can bang to beat the boxer. I'm also pretty honest and gracious enough to concede a point in a debate where I think it is fair. The reason why I will always beat someone like Melly in a debate is my adaptability. He has dug his trench and he will live or die there. Consequently, he will keep eating it if he has told you it is caviar even if he later finds the tin that it came out of and it says dog food.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 17, 2012 7:01 PM BST
Melly

One lacuna in your theory. My natural home is the politics forum. Carlos has posted a couple of times on there but hardly ever. Carlos' forum is boxing and I occasionally post there.
Report carlos monzon July 17, 2012 8:00 PM BST
I certainly believe u now wen u say u r a barrister.

The job suits ur personality down to the ground
Report Eeternaloptimist July 17, 2012 8:07 PM BST
Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbut barristers are a bunch of self centred, pompous, egotistical baastards who love the sound of their own voice........... LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Mrben July 19, 2012 11:16 AM BST
On a warm summer's eve
On a train bound for nowhere
I met up with the gambler
We were both too tired to sleep
So we took turns a-starin'
Out the window at the darkness
The boredom overtook us, and he began to speak

He said, "Son, I've made my life
Out of readin' people's faces
Knowin' what the cards were
By the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind my sayin'
I can see you're out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey
I'll give you some advice"

So I handed him my bottle
And he drank down my last swallow
Then he bummed a cigarette
And asked me for a light
And the night got deathly quiet
And his faced lost all expression
He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Now every gambler knows the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"

So when he finished speakin'
He turned back for the window
Crushed out his cigarette
And faded off to sleep then somewhere in the darkness
The gambler he broke even,
but in his final words
I found an ace that I could keep

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

You've got to know when to hold 'em
(When to hold 'em)
Know when to fold 'em
(When to fold 'em)
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
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