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ffs messed up my Russian geography. Meant to say Vladivostok instead of Murmansk.
people think women not getting the evening slot is to do with sexism. no its not. its because of matches like this where a player takes a beating and its all over in less than an hour. there would be plenty more womens matches in the evening slot here if women played bo5 like the men
yes it's online and I agree with your point about tuning in having been told on 5Live that the tennis "is on Live right now on 5live sports extra", only to tune in and hear the jingle yet again. this happened the other day at 2:30 p.m. so. I tuned in only to hear later that coverage wouldn't start until 4 O'clock.
Always wondered how different the accents become as you move across Russia and if they differ wildly, in England you only have to go to the next city and it's like a foreign language with how strong their dialects can be, and we're tiny country in comparison.
Jun 4, 2026 -- 3:01PM, Des Pond wrote:
yes it's online and I agree with your point about tuning in having been told on 5Live that the tennis "is on Live right now on 5live sports extra", only to tune in and hear the jingle yet again. this happened the other day at 2:30 p.m. so. I tuned in only to hear later that coverage wouldn't start until 4 O'clock.
Sports feeds are a disgrace. No reason why they can't be within 1 second of real time like RUK horse racing tracks. I think TNT is about 20 seconds behind live, unfathomable.
The best live feed you can get is the odds, without even trading you look at the odds and you even know when someone has just double faulted.
Mirra prone to go walkabouts, and this is a massive occasion...
not shrewd of Mirra to go and get a big lead. Now the crowd is massively behind Marta.
Jun 4, 2026 -- 3:05PM, mesmerised wrote:
The best live feed you can get is the odds, without even trading you look at the odds and you even know when someone has just double faulted.
I did this with my friend the other day, predicting a host of BPs whether they would be saved or not 
I don't think we'll ever get back to actual live coverage like we had 50 years ago, sadly, but there's no need for the deliberate built-in delays on terrestrial telly. I suppose it's to allow a delay for bad language or other unscheduled rudeness. Still annoys me though. 
Massive hold that. 3-2* and the crowd going wild could have turned the match upside down for a while.
One of the reasons for intentional delays are things like inappropriate moments or pitch invasions, demonstrations etc, gives directors time to cut away, which is why in football you never see them any more and why women stopped stripping off to run across the pitch with some slogan sprayed across her, which is a great shame.
Jun 4, 2026 -- 3:08PM, Des Pond wrote:
I don't think we'll ever get back to actual live coverage like we had 50 years ago, sadly, but there's no need for the deliberate built-in delays on terrestrial telly. I suppose it's to allow a delay for bad language or other unscheduled rudeness. Still annoys me though.
Terrestial tv was great. Close to live pictures for lots of sport. 2 decades later and delays increased exponentially
I'm old enough to remember Erica Roe. They wouldn't let that happen now, or at least you wouldn't get to see it.
Remember reading this on courtsiding a few years ago
"The courtsiders always are a few seconds ahead of the scoreboard, they get privileged information," he said.
"If the ball goes high up and it is obvious it will land out of the limits of the courts, the point cannot be put on the scoreboard but the courtsider will send the result before it is made official."
To find those courtsiders, the FFT have several people walking through the stands to detect any suspicious activity.
"A courtsider does not watch the match the same way any other spectator does. They do not react to the points, and they often have a device they use to transmit the results," said Lhospitalier, who added some courtsiders also used wires connected to the inside of their shoes to avoid being detected.
"They tap with their left or right foot depending on who scores the point," he detailed.
Every year, Lhospitalier's team kick out about 30 courtsiders from Roland Garros.
BLACK LIST
Lhospitalier declined to disclose how many people are hired to identify the courtsiders as he wants the number to stay confidential to avoid the illegal gamblers to adjust.
The FFT's work starts before the matches, however, with another team looking at online betting sites to 'check the odds' and detect anything suspicious.
"It helps us target some matches and put more resources on one specific court," said Lhospitalier, who is also helped by France's gaming police, the Tennis Integrity Unit and Macolin, a European platform fighting against manipulation of sports competitions.
"We also go through the deep (invisible) web to check the odds on the dark market," he said.
"The courtsiders always are a few seconds ahead of the scoreboard, they get privileged information," he said.
"If the ball goes high up and it is obvious it will land out of the limits of the courts, the point cannot be put on the scoreboard but the courtsider will send the result before it is made official."
To find those courtsiders, the FFT have several people walking through the stands to detect any suspicious activity.
"A courtsider does not watch the match the same way any other spectator does. They do not react to the points, and they often have a device they use to transmit the results," said Lhospitalier, who added some courtsiders also used wires connected to the inside of their shoes to avoid being detected.
"They tap with their left or right foot depending on who scores the point," he detailed.
Every year, Lhospitalier's team kick out about 30 courtsiders from Roland Garros.
BLACK LIST
Lhospitalier declined to disclose how many people are hired to identify the courtsiders as he wants the number to stay confidential to avoid the illegal gamblers to adjust.
The FFT's work starts before the matches, however, with another team looking at online betting sites to 'check the odds' and detect anything suspicious.
"It helps us target some matches and put more resources on one specific court," said Lhospitalier, who is also helped by France's gaming police, the Tennis Integrity Unit and Macolin, a European platform fighting against manipulation of sports competitions.
"We also go through the deep (invisible) web to check the odds on the dark market," he said.
It's annoying because with streaming it can be done without delay, I remember I think it was 2006 Olympics which had minimal delays of TV's online platforms, but that did not last long and online viewing from tv companies has not been a good option since.
my favorite is when this courtsider sat with a laptop hidden under a blanket. Guards noticed something suspicious and accused him of being a perv who j e r k e d off while watching women's tennis. He accepted the fine for that as it was much smaller than he would have got for courtsiding.
According to legend, once at the Australian Open, a courtsider at a women’s match was tapping his phone underneath a towel in his lap. Security approached him with a more disturbing type of disdain than usual: Several spectators had suspected him of masturbating to the players on court.
“Enjoy getting your rocks off to women’s tennis, huh?” the security guard said. Somewhat bafflingly, the man thought it would be as bad to admit to courtsiding, so he accepted the charge, paid a $560 fine, and was given a 24-hour ban from the grounds. In the end, being an admitted public masturbator resulted in a far shorter ban than being an admitted courtsider, which would have kept him out for the rest of the tournament.
“Enjoy getting your rocks off to women’s tennis, huh?” the security guard said. Somewhat bafflingly, the man thought it would be as bad to admit to courtsiding, so he accepted the charge, paid a $560 fine, and was given a 24-hour ban from the grounds. In the end, being an admitted public masturbator resulted in a far shorter ban than being an admitted courtsider, which would have kept him out for the rest of the tournament.
https://longreads.com/2018/09/03/losers-lunch/
If I'm having a trade, I'll listen on AM/MW while watching the delayed pics. It spoils the experience to an extent, but it's the nearest I can get to apprehending the actual event in real time. But streams and internet radio are useless unless you're just listening for pleasure.
Surely for reputational reasons you'd take the courtsiding charge , how could he be content to be known publicly as someone that does that instead
Jun 4, 2026 -- 3:20PM, TheCarambaExperience wrote:
According to legend, once at the Australian Open, a courtsider at a women’s match was tapping his phone underneath a towel in his lap. Security approached him with a more disturbing type of disdain than usual: Several spectators had suspected him of masturbating to the players on court.“Enjoy getting your rocks off to women’s tennis, huh?” the security guard said. Somewhat bafflingly, the man thought it would be as bad to admit to courtsiding, so he accepted the charge, paid a $560 fine, and was given a 24-hour ban from the grounds. In the end, being an admitted public masturbator resulted in a far shorter ban than being an admitted courtsider, which would have kept him out for the rest of the tournament.
24 hour fine only
I once had a strange experience of watching an Arsenal match on Sky at home I think around 2004 as we were closing in on the league, we were attacking in the game but our next door neighbours, with all their windows wide open, made a sudden explosion of cheering noises ..as Arsenal scored, fk knows how they were getting faster pics but it ruined the moment even though we went ahead very strange to watch what you thought were live pics, but actually know a goal had already gone in and you're just waiting for it to happen, you end up passively cheering, as if you were watching MOTD already knowing the result.
very strange to watch what you thought were live pics, but actually know a goal had already gone in and you're just waiting for it to happen, you end up passively cheering, as if you were watching MOTD already knowing the result.
I think it's fair to say, Marta froze today on the big occasion.
I backed Andreeva with a fairly modest stake because it had a sort of Sod's Law inevitability to it because of the political situation. Should've had a more substantial bet in hindsight, but still.
Haven't got a clue about the next match, but a small back of Chwalinkska for fun.
We're looking at the realistic possibility of an all Russian final, the first in a slam final since the invasion.
yes mes. kostuk like a rabbit in the headlights. spent too much energy on politics although you cant in any way blame her for that.
shnaider should win of course, but how many times has a player swung freely in a match they werent supposed to win, won, and then played the next match that they were supposed to win, tightened up, and lost. chwalinska has been playing with house money since the first round really having come through qualifying
Jun 4, 2026 -- 3:37PM, Des Pond wrote:
I backed Andreeva with a fairly modest stake because it had a sort of Sod's Law inevitability to it because of the political situation. Should've had a more substantial bet in hindsight, but still.
Nice bet. 1.7x Kostyuk was somewhat suprising
'Two sporting legends here'
As everyone wonders who these two people are
Never seen or heard of the female Cyclist before
As everyone wonders who these two people are
Never seen or heard of the female Cyclist before
Kostyuk did have a 2-0 h2h over Mirra and that was recent and current tbf with one being on clay
Both lefties today
Chwalinska is 31 / 12 against lefties at all levels, (17 / 10 on clay)
Shnaider is 19 / 14 at all levels, (9 / 6 on clay)
Chwalinska is 31 / 12 against lefties at all levels, (17 / 10 on clay)
Shnaider is 19 / 14 at all levels, (9 / 6 on clay)
The reality is as much as I rate Shnaider, she didn't so much beat Saba, saba lost it, the same way Sinner didn't lose to fake Cerundolo, Sinner lost it, one because of the heat, the other because of the wind.
yep saba beat herself in a remarkable collapse that was almost unremarkable bearing in mind her previous
Shnaiders forehand was on fire for large parts, which I think contributed to the Saba collapse.
When was the last time current doubles partners ended up facing each in a slam final? which is what could happen with
Mirra/Shanider? if it's ever happened before.
Mirra/Shanider? if it's ever happened before.
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:22PM, mesmerised wrote:
When was the last time current doubles partners ended up facing each in a slam final? which is what could happen with Mirra/Shanider? if it's ever happened before.
gotta be Serena vs Venus?
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:22PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:
There's a sprinkle of Su-Wei Hsieh about Maja.
Is that 'not even Su-Wei-Hsieh knows what Su-Wei-Hsieh is going to do next'
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:26PM, TheCarambaExperience wrote:
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:22PM, mesmerised wrote:When was the last time current doubles partners ended up facing each in a slam final? which is what could happen with Mirra/Shanider? if it's ever happened before.gotta be Serena vs Venus?
yeah Wimbledon 2008.
it's a Russian song so that might be a problem, but if not for that they should do this chant/song for Chwalinska.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalinka_(1860_song)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalinka_(1860_song)
how do go from this:
04-May-2026 W75 Saint-Gaudens Clay QF 113 180 Jessika Ponchet [FRA] d. Chwalinska 4-6 6-3 6-2
to being in a winning position at a Slam semi one month later?
04-May-2026 W75 Saint-Gaudens Clay QF 113 180 Jessika Ponchet [FRA] d. Chwalinska 4-6 6-3 6-2
to being in a winning position at a Slam semi one month later?
Maybe she was just tired of travelling the world staying in Air B&B's, will be dining out in 5 star hotels after this.
It's the sort of completely random run to a semi that you would never even put counterfeit money in, like with Boisson last year, it does literally make no sense to go from that to beating top 20 calibre players match after match
Women's at RG often gives us one of these random semifinalists. I remember 2020 had Zidansek. That SF line-up just as random as the one this year. It had a Iga, but she was unknown before that run.
oh yeah of course 2021 was the really random one.
But 2020, where Iga won, was a bit random as well. Had Podoroska in the semis.
I keep confusing 20 and 21 cause both were a pendemic blur and then you had stuff like Euro 2020 and Olympics 2020 taking place in 2021.
But 2020, where Iga won, was a bit random as well. Had Podoroska in the semis.
I keep confusing 20 and 21 cause both were a pendemic blur and then you had stuff like Euro 2020 and Olympics 2020 taking place in 2021.
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:51PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:
Andreeva 1.4x busto ! (Erika)
must suck to have to work when your sister has the biggest win of her life.
Wimbledon should have somehow taken place in 2020 rather than creating a hole in it's history, but because they were randomly insured against a pandemic of that nature, they never bothered trying.
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:57PM, TheCarambaExperience wrote:
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:51PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:Andreeva 1.4x busto ! (Erika)must suck to have to work when your sister has the biggest win of her life.
Might have been happy to take the loss to watch the final live...
I don't think 2020 was that random, Podoroska was random but the other semi did have two slam finalists, one winner
actually Collins final came after, Kenin won Aussie before, what a random winner Kenin was
Jun 4, 2026 -- 4:57PM, mesmerised wrote:
Wimbledon should have somehow taken place in 2020 rather than creating a hole in it's history, but because they were randomly insured against a pandemic of that nature, they never bothered trying.
yeah Serena robbed of her last realistic chance. Hard to see who would have stopped Novak that year.
Kenin's won just 3 out 13 matches this year, 9 round 1 losses, and a qualification loss, only 27 years old
We would probably already have Novak on 25 if that Wimbledon took place
He won the 2 before, and the 2 after, robbed of 5 in a row, didn't want him to match Federer (nap)
She's an odd one, goes on bad runs like this, and then will go and have some good results again. Rinse and repeat. Has been like that since her big win in 2020.
and 26 mes if he hadnt been a massive tool and belted a line judge at the us
or 27 if the Aussie mugs didn't stop him coming down under, which also could have made it 5 in a row
Not sure what the solution should have been because the tour only resumed late July/early August. So no time to have it there as US Open took place in August and then RG booking the September/October slot made that slot also not possible. How late in the year can you even play on grass?
I wonder if he regrets missing out on some great chances due to not getting vaccinated. Probably not as I can see him as the type of person proud of sticking to his guns.
28 if he hadnt mugged against istomin in aus
29 if he hadnt got injured at wimbledon against berdshyte
30 if he hadnt played one of the muggiest clay matches of his life at the french against cecchinato
and theres probably more. hes had more than enough chances to run down the all time record even without the wimbledon that was cancelled and the aussie open he was banned from
29 if he hadnt got injured at wimbledon against berdshyte
30 if he hadnt played one of the muggiest clay matches of his life at the french against cecchinato
and theres probably more. hes had more than enough chances to run down the all time record even without the wimbledon that was cancelled and the aussie open he was banned from
You'd could have got rid of qualification for a start but maybe even that wasn't needed, and just start with the main draw, it was possible to have kept the original slot and re-start the tour earlier than they did, lockdown ended in mid may, - other sports were being played after that, the Premier League restarted mid June, Wimbledon was due to start end of June.
Been a fairly high quality match so far, especially in contrast to the last one.
With a domestic league it's a completely different set-up than a tour with international tennis players. It's not like AELTC can just override decisions on the tour resuming late July just so they could get their flagship tournament in. Plus it wouldn't be ideal to just have players start cold at Wimbledon after being off since March. Some warmups like they did at USO would be needed.
But like you say their insurance made it easy. Would be interesting to know how they would have handled it differently if not for that. Maybe consulted with other Slams and done USO in late August, Wimbledon in late September and RG in late October.
But like you say their insurance made it easy. Would be interesting to know how they would have handled it differently if not for that. Maybe consulted with other Slams and done USO in late August, Wimbledon in late September and RG in late October.
least surprising thing ever caramba. like i said see it all the time. big win followed by a flop and as mes said, shnaider didnt really win saba just completely imploded. its always easy to play well when theres no pressure and shnaider was under absolutely no pressure against saba it was a free hit. this on the other hand is absolutely not. chance to make a slam final and the favourite to do it which she would have known going in
by the same token though, pressure now goes on to chwalinska. a set away from a slam final when she was losing to ponchet recently which is nuts
Whilst all that may be true, if they did not have any insurance for that slam, there's no way they would have allowed a big black hole in their finances, that would have cost them hundreds of millions, no business if they can help it would allow for that, they would have somehow got it on when it was scheduled even if it meant losing some big players who didn't want to come or whatever, but they just made no effort as they didn't need to.
When that Morillo didn't go Shnaiders' way in the tie break when she was 3-1 up, that was the PONR, adjusted my position there. And that drop shot from the baseline from Maja showed how confident she is, even though it was returned, the winner from that was unreal.
another bagel in the decider from Diana coming?
Market always short-sighted when it comes to this. Thinks it's Berrettini all over again.
that's brutal if whatever it is is going to affect her in the match of her lifetime.
the likes of Sabalenka will get more chances but Maja might only get this one.
If this goes to a third set, then you really would have to worry about Maja, those strappings, which I know a lot of players have, are optics that will also start to spook people as well into thinking she may physically start to crumble
Her movement was fine, just a tactical medical time out to get some rest and the market never seems to understand T.M.T.O's.
must be a great job working 3-6 minutes a day rubbing someone's legs
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