US Open Men's Final 2025: Jannik Sinner vs Carlos Alcaraz

We're lucky it's not Ally McCoist

Two sets completely dominated by Alcaraz.
He looked the better player in set 2 as well, but then Sinner got that break and held on to it.

Correct Sir N.C.

He's completely out on his own in that department.

Will Sinner take this to 5 sets? if he does he'll probably go fav again.

Alcaraz playing great though

A 5th set would be excellent.

Alcaraz taking the ball early, and keeping it more tidy than Sinner.

Will Trump present the cup?

He'll challenge the winner to a round of golf.

Sinner needs new PEDs.

This has to be Alcaraz's best ever level right, he's never been just locked in like this all slam, he's not really gone off at any point in any match.

Carlos is the man !! Good night and good luck !!

Sep 7, 2025 -- 10:12PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

Will Trump present the cup?

He will add it to his collection with the Club World Cup in the Oval Office.

only saw the last few games but from looking at the point by point it looks like it was pretty comfortable for carlos

It was, he looked the better player from the beginning.

Well done Carlos.
I don't usually follow much tennis but I did watch quite a lot of this tournament and enjoyed both men's & women's.

Hope  everyone did okay.

if sinner had won we would be hearing how he was 1 point away from a calendar slam for years

It will further play into the theory that if Alcaraz plays well he wins vs Sinner.

Backed Carlos at 2.45 for Roland Garros 2026 and 3.25 for Aussie Open 2026. Hoping to be able to lay off closer to the event.

Sinner didn't really show up today though.

Problem for at least AO is I wouldn't be surprised if Sinner dominates the end of year events, which won't help the Alcaraz price shorten for AO.

But Carlos now being a serve bot, it's going to swing things his way as he already has the dominant h2h without serving like he does these days.

could happen, but at those odds I'll take my chances.

It still will depend how much he has left in the tank for the rest of the season, he's played a lot more tennis than Sinner has, and signs up for more random crap like Laver Cup than Sinner.

In theory he can extend the #1 lead quite a bit given he only really turned up for Bejing for rest of year last year, and even his AO QF you expect him to improve upon. It's hard for Sinner to really gain significant points outside of just playing a lot more, he didn't Paris Bercy last year for example, but he's got Shanghai and WTF's to defend, then AO start of next year, it will be hard to gain on that.

Speaking of signing up for random crap. What the hell is that artwork at the top of the Six Kings Slam website?

https://www.visitsaudi.com/en/riyadh/events/six-kings-slam

Sep 7, 2025 -- 10:38PM, TheCarambaExperience wrote:

But Carlos now being a serve bot, it's going to swing things his way as he already has the dominant h2h without serving like he does these days.

Spot on. Wonder if it stops Sinner playing his best too which we saw today.

Good for their rivalry though that we are still none the wiser !

Incredible tournament all round though, thoroughly enjoyable and two brilliant champions !

Lol I forgot about the no minors crap in the Australian markets :)

Do you want to bet on Ksenia Efremova for the AO?

Sep 7, 2025 -- 10:42PM, edy wrote:

Speaking of signing up for random crap. What the hell is that artwork at the top of the Six Kings Slam website?https://www.visitsaudi.com/en/riyadh/events/six-kings-slam

The entire budget spent on prize money. Nothing left for good artists or good AI. Or even photos.

When is the big Saudi event that's been getting announce "soon" for the last 6 months going to be announced.

Soon.

Stuff like Kings Slam is also makes it a lot less likely that these guys load up on more events, I'm sure the ATP events that get done by this are happy (Basel/Vienna are the big losers I think).

They still need to soothe existing 1000 event owners that they are introducing a 1500 category just for the Saudi Arabia event and are hence taking away some shine from the 1000s.

Switzerland will never have another Roger Federer if there is no opportunity to do ball boy duties for Carlos Alcaraz in Basel.

The 1000 events are already doing a good job of that by mostly insisting on going to 2 weeks, eg. I think Canada is going to keep losing big time if they maintain this years schedule. The top players are going to turn up 2 weeks after Wimbledon, play Canada, Cincy, USO, just not going to happen, and Canada will be the loser cos by all reports the new Cincy upgrades are amazing and the players love it.

Will be even worse in Olympic years too.

Madrid/Rome already has the thing where players seem reluctant to play both fully too, so again someone loses out. This year it was Madrid.

£5M $ to the winner today

At least Canada and Cincy are only three weeks combined. Not four weeks like IW&Miami and Madrid&Rome.

Isn't it $6m to the winner of the King's Slam!

Yes

Sep 7, 2025 -- 10:51PM, edy wrote:

At least Canada and Cincy are only three weeks combined. Not four weeks like IW&Miami and Madrid&Rome.

In theory this makes it sound better, in practice it might be even worse in terms of getting players to play, because it's the IW/Miami schedule condensed to 3 weeks.

The schedule this year is madness where R1 of Cincy is like same day as Canada Finals, who on earth is going to want to play like 12 matches in about 15 days that close to USO? No-one.

I think it's mostly conditions that work against Canada and Cincy. IW and Miami are nice and chill. Maybe a bit too windy at times, but mostly comfortable. Especially Cincy is almost always uncomfortable conditions.

Players didn't really like and play full-throttle in Cincy in prior years either.

you mean the tanked because they had a wedding to attend?

Yes, but that was before Ben Navarro's super new upgrades making it all nice for the players. Cincy was seen as one of the worst Master 1000s for facilities in the past, no longer the case.

The magic of a paintjob and some flowers.

$260m gets you some real nice paint.

Sep 7, 2025 -- 10:44PM, n88uk wrote:

Lol I forgot about the no minors crap in the Australian markets :)

If a minor reaches the final, then all bets on this market will be voided. This market will be suspended at the point it is known that a minor will be in the final.

yeah this is so muggy. So if I bet Sabalenka to win the whole event and she wins the event by beating Hannah Klugman in the final, my Sabalenka bet is voided

It's 17 and under right minor, not 18.

I still remember this year when all the markets at AO involving minors were suspended for ages and we weren't sure if they'd settle them (but they did in the end).

For the purposes of this market, a minor is anyone under the age of 18 at the beginning of the first match of the Main Draw of the tournament.

I'm not really aware of many 17 year olds likely to do anything, there's a few 18, I had to check on Jovic, but she turns 18 in December.

anyway, there's a proper market so we don't need to get involved with this muggy market.

This year you had Andreeva about 5th fav outright and a minor :).

yeah, no threats amongst the 2008 born and younger for the upcoming AO.

unless Mirra draws Emerson Jones and Emerson gets such confidence from beating Mirra that she goes all the way to the final.

As far as I can see they highest ranked player who will be under 18 at AO is Emerson Jones who will get a WC, beyond that, I can't see anyone qualifying, not even sure the others will even be ranked high enough to make qualifying.

Same for men, so there's only going to be 1 minor in the entire draw unless Australia have any others to give WC's to.

They might give Sonobe something given it's the Pacific Slam.

Medvedev might win another match at a slam then.

Don't think Sonobe can compete in the men.

Speaking of Medvedev, when Sinner was close to being bageled, it reminded me of the last time he was bagled, and it was to MedHead back in 2021 at the tour finals, near 4 years, had to look up the last time GOATcaraz was bageled, that was against Tsitsipas Aug 2021

think it's safe to say we've seen the last time both will ever have been bageled.

You could clearly see tonight that Jannick was playing the man and not the ball, making early double faults, low 1st serve % and silly unforced errors he normally wouldn't make. He has psychological problems with Carlos, a bit like Federer did with Nadal for so long when their h2h ended up being very lopsided for a long while, something like 20-9 before Fed went of a winning run by getting him on a load of hard courts and then Rafa complaining he wasn't playing enough clay events anymore sneaky fed

Will the Djokovic diehards start to target Alcaraz soon as he will now be seen as the bigger threat to overtake their hero's slam count? They've been very mad at Sinner lately.

Sinner served very poorly, which is the reverse of what happened at Wimbledon where Alcaraz served very poorly, Sinner was under 50% 1st serves in for the match, very hard to beat Alcaraz with that number alone.

The Djoko diehards already switched once, they were initially on the Alcaraz is overhyped train. I'm old enough to remember PavyG claiming Rune would win more than Alcaraz and wondering why he didn't get the media attention Alcaraz did. They switched heavily after Sinner started owning Djokovic, his drugs ban, Alcaraz gifting Djokovic a few wins, and being the only realistic player to stop Sinner.

I suspect many will just become Alcaraz fans, because they're too far down the anti-Sinner path now, which is annoying because these people are annoying.

Really if your concern is Djoko's records as it will be from their pov, they need a 3rd guy badly. Cos so currently Alcaraz/Sinner are on 6/4. But it's easily conceivable that they could win about 90% of the slams over next 5 years, in fact if anything on the face of it it looks probable, and they will still be in their 20s in 5 years time.

Caramba, is your flag Erika Andreeva pregnant?

Whilst Novak has done well to reach all 4 semi's this year, let's be honest, apart from Carlos in Oz, he's beaten a load of mugs, he was sub 1.4 to win the first four rounds at all 4 slams, it's more a damning indicment on the rest of the field even prime Zverev couldn't knock him out at Roland Garros.

It's literally mission impossible for him to beat Sinner or Alcaraz in the best of 5 now, let alone back to back, it's the modern day equivilent of doing that back to back against 2 of the big 3 in their prime, and how many times did that happen, can only remember Berdych doing at Wimbledon 2010 the losing to Nadal in the final, course we all know outside of slams about one of the greatest runs of all time, Nadalbandian 2007 Madrid Masters, even then, it's too hard to see Novak beaten them back to back in a masters at his age.

They're already setting records in terms of you've never had the same slam final played 3 times in a year. Honestly expect it to be at least 3 again next year, the only real thing stopping these finals seems to be injury. I'm not sure we've ever seen a gulf this wide between the top players and the rest and it's all happened so quickly relatively in a few years.

That's the point though mes, the rest of the field are mugs. Djokovic has beaten a number of guys who are meant to be the next guys this year, Zverev, Fritz, these are the next best players.

Sep 7, 2025 -- 11:39PM, edy wrote:

Caramba, is your flag Erika Andreeva pregnant?

A young Djokovic beat #3 Murray, #2 Nadal and #1 Federer in QF, SF and F of 2007 Cincy.

yeah, the gulf is the biggest I've ever seen between the best and the rest, said early outside hope Fonseca may come into it, or he may be another hype job.

Sep 7, 2025 -- 11:42PM, TheCarambaExperience wrote:

Sep  7, 2025 -- 11:39PM, edy wrote:Caramba, is your flag Erika Andreeva pregnant?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOMDgosijpP/

Sorry, was Canada 2007.

Novak doesn't count as he's a big 3 player, or became one

Doesn't look pregnant on the other pics.

And Roddick, not Murray....it's late.

Might only be a little pregnant. She is also still signed up for tournaments.

I hope someone else does come out of nowhere and wade in between them, as they two reaching every single slam final will be boring

Niels McDonald.

So as it stands, Novak is just gonna have to accept that he just can't break Margeret Court's record

Rune might become good once Aneke stops constantly blowing smoke into his face to make him sick and tired.

Joker needs to hang up his racket.
Barring injury, these two will have too much for him.

Sep 7, 2025 -- 11:48PM, mesmerised wrote:

So as it stands, Novak is just gonna have to accept that he just can't break Margeret Court's record

Correct.
However, that comparison is just so ridic.

Rune has the worst stamina of any player ever. Literally any 5 setter you expect him to lose, and once you starting seeing it going 4 you expect it too.

How is Stefan Djokovic coming along? Will there still be time for him to come to the rescue in 2034 or will it be too late?

Yes, ban Aneke!

Just realised Alcaraz has now won 6 slams at the age off 22 and 4 months, that's 2 more than Nadal at the same age and 5 more than Federer and Djokovic

amazeballs, and people laughed when I said he'd reach 30, should have said 40

Rune is just a mental midget, they say the eyes are the window to the soul and you really can see that with tennis players, when the pressure in on, and the camera pans to them, you can see it, Zverev is a classic example, doesn't have the stomach for the fight even though he has the talent.

The dude is out of gas after 2 hours every time, that's his biggest problem by far.

You would too if you had the lung of a chain smoker due to your mum.

but he shouldn't be getting to 5 setters with mugs like Struff, Jarry, Halys and Zhang anyway amongst others like has this year in the slams. Should be dealing with them in straights with his talent. One of the reasons who Sincaraz will be around well into their 30's is they're not spending their time faffing around in slams playing endless 5 set matches, emptying the tank, picking up injuries and feeling burnt out by 30. They are efficient with every shot, Sinner is probably the cleanest hitter of the ball I've ever seen, and unbelievably consistent with it.

It was one of Murray's biggest problems, always taking too long to finish a point, big part of the reason why he lost so many slams finals wasn't because of a gulf in talent, it was because he spent far more time on court by the time he reached the final than Novak or Fedeerer and it showed, especially one year in Australia where he completely fell away in the 5th, as Turnsunov once said, Murray drags you into a littleswamp and you drown yourself in unforced errors, good tactic in off matches, but in every match it's not.

People always said Federer moved effortlessly on court, truth was every single chance he got he went for a winner so even if the opponent returned it was easy for him to be in a good position, Murray always went for build up play and would take forever to finish a point and thus he was credited with 'variety'.

All depends on Carlos' body & motivation.
Imagine, if he wins just 1 slam a year for 16 years he'll be on 22.

Classic Carlos.
https://x.com/SkySportsTennis/status/1964829193599844742