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brain dead jockeys
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seems he hasnt gotten the jab and wont get it either..........cant imagine the event with out him...........but what about the french and wimbledon requiring a jab as well? novak could be derailing his career here...........
wimbledon will be his best chance of no 21........no competition on grass.
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Report SamuelMertensBertens January 10, 2022 1:39 AM GMT

Jan 9, 2022 -- 7:17PM, Giuseppe wrote:


i suppose they do well at the olympics


only Summer olympics. Only 3 medals at the 2018 winter olympics.

Report SamuelMertensBertens January 10, 2022 1:39 AM GMT
Novak's 3 year ban will be over by then.
Report brain dead jockeys January 10, 2022 1:56 AM GMT
given the amount of cases in australia - 100,000 on sunday - some players seem certain to test positive........given novak has been stuck in that not so nice hotel......he might get the thing again
Report Journeyman January 10, 2022 3:31 AM GMT
From the Guardian

Refugee lawyer and the founder of Human Rights for All, Alison Battisson, said if Djokovic won on Monday the government should respect the court’s decision rather than “seek to wriggle around by finding another way to cancel his visa”.

“What we do know, however, with our dealings with the department of home affairs is that is often not the case,” she warned, citing three instances she had won in the federal court only for the minister to find a fresh reason to cancel a visa.

Battisson suggested it would be “extraordinary” if the court decided the case in time for the Australian Open deadline as it was hearing “a visa issue not a playing tennis issue” and other urgent cases took weeks – at a minimum – to be resolved.

Battisson argued Djokovic was experiencing the “draconian” way Australia runs immigration appeals which were “stacked against” the applicant in detention without access to documents.

Former immigration department deputy secretary, Abul Rizvi, said he would be “surprised” if the government cancelled Djokovic’s visa again in the event the world No 1 succeeded on Monday.

“They’d have to find another reason or it would be contemptuous of court,” he said.

Rizvi said it was “possible” Djokovic might not have a result by the deadline but “his lawyers will argue that he can’t be left in detention while the judge cogitates on it”.

A spokesman for Andrews told Guardian Australia: “As the matter is before the court, it is not appropriate to comment at this time.”
Report Giuseppe January 10, 2022 3:52 AM GMT
is "cogitates" a real word?
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 10, 2022 3:56 AM GMT
I'm learning so many new words tonight.
Report lurka January 10, 2022 12:07 PM GMT
Glad he won. Hopefully he wins the thing now and cements his status as No.1 panto villain in world sport.
Report lurka January 10, 2022 12:43 PM GMT
Reckon his test result was fabricated too. When he got it in 2020 he isolated for 14 days once he got his result. No way he'd publicly meet with kids the day after receiving a genuine positive imo.

But none of that has anything to do with the case because the test result has been accepted by the govt. The Border Force and government have acted shabbily towards him and it's more about political grandstanding than the health of Australian people. Looking at the hordes of his unmasked supporters gathering around his car, they've probably caused the virus to spread more in Aus than djokvic would even if he didn't have it recently. Made a bit of an árse of themselves and it's backfired. I'd be surprised if they go further with it but their attitude hasn't really been driven by logic at any stage.
Report Journeyman January 10, 2022 2:52 PM GMT
So happy for Novak.

The city centre looks insane though, pepper spray released on the crowd, cops going full on 'Judge Dredd'.

Stay safe Melbourne.
Report brain dead jockeys January 10, 2022 4:49 PM GMT
lurka........i was thinking the same re his fans swamping the car.......he will need to be under strict security to prevent getting covid.......do these fans actually want to give it to him cause if he gets it HES OUT......kyrgios has tested positive...
no way will the aus minister deport him now....it will look like a banana republic given the judge has ruled.
Report Giuseppe January 10, 2022 4:50 PM GMT
masks have little impact on transmission, especially outdoors

cases actually went down in the UK after they lifted the mask mandate in the summer
Report knavesmire007 January 10, 2022 4:52 PM GMT
I am sure Aussie teenage lads are far more interested in what the internet has to offer than going out to play tennis...same goes for American lads.Tennis is nowhere near as strong or competitive as it was pre-internet.Nadal,Djokovic have been playing in an era with no upcoming young challenges.Same goes for Snooker.UK Kids don't play the game very much nowadays.The senior players have it easy.
Report Wesdag January 10, 2022 6:27 PM GMT
There's more to come with this story.

Stay tuned.
Report Journeyman January 11, 2022 12:19 AM GMT
Rafa has weighed in, Fox reports

“Regardless of whether or not I agree on some things with Djokovic, without any doubt, justice has spoken,” Nadal told Spanish radio station Onda Cero on Monday.

“They have said he has the right to play in the Australian Open and I really believe that is the fairest thing if the issue has been resolved, which seems to be the case.”

“On a personal level I would prefer that he doesn’t play,” Nadal said, laughing.

“Selfishly speaking for our sport, the best players being on the court competing is much better than that them being anywhere else.”


Sports reporter Phil Lutton wrote on Twitter: “Would it not now look petty and vindictive for the Federal Government to evict the world number one after he just won an appeal?“

Australian doubles champion Rennae Stubbs told Channel 10’s The Project the entire saga doesn’t reflect well on the Australian government.

“It is an extraordinary moment, not only in sports internationally, but Australian sports, and really it doesn’t shine a great light on the Australian government, on the procedures that we’ve had to deal with through the last 12 months, really, between the states and the federal government – and it’s really outshone itself in this argument,” she said.

Stubbs said the Immigration Minister “has to be really careful” as he weighs up whether to cancel Djokovic’s visa again

“He does pose a threat to Novak of not being able to come back to Australia for that amount of time ('the personal power of cancellation' / three years) and that could really threaten his grand slam total going forward, because he has at least another three to four years of good tennis left in him or great tennis left in him,” Stubbs said.

“It doesn’t shine so brightly on the Australian federal government right now after this decision today.”
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 12:26 AM GMT
"at least another three to four years of good tennis left in him or great tennis left in him"

that's a bit optimistic surely?
Report Journeyman January 11, 2022 12:34 AM GMT
Federer should have won Wimbledon just a month before he turned 38!

Novak has a few years in him yet.
plus think how motivated he'd be to win all the other slams for the three year 'cancellation' period.
Report brain dead jockeys January 11, 2022 2:33 AM GMT
this is the last year novak will play in aus open cause their med exemption criteria will not include "having a recent covid infection" going forward......thats for certain........you will need a reason such as being allergic to the vaccine........novak will never get the vaccine..........french open may do the same........currently new york do not allow pro atheletes to compete without the vaccine.........hes in serious trouble.......he will win wimbledon 2022 - no one else can play on grass - that could be it.........this whole epsisode may spur rafa on to win a couple of more slams.........he might end with the most........cant believe im saying this.
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 2:39 AM GMT
surely covid will be gone by this time next year

if it isn't questions will have to asked about vaccines and the idea of mandatory vaccines
Report Journeyman January 11, 2022 3:25 AM GMT
Rafa winning the most in that scenario would be meaningless.

The whole value of the 'who wins the most' becomes meaningless as soon as a fully fit Novak is not allowed to play

As Muzza says 'this whole thing is terrible for tennis'
Report lurka January 11, 2022 5:29 PM GMT
A few journalists looking into the test certs that he gave the aussies now. Aside from the dodgy story about the tests and not isolating it seems they've done an amateur job in making them look legit and the dates and sample numbers don't tally. Looks like his negative test was done before his positive and the positive was done 26th Dec and then backdated to 16th. Initially the positive test QR code when scanned showed a negative and this was changed to positive shortly after this was discovered. The results website has a timestamp built into the URL address and they forgot to change that and it tallies with the above dates.

It seems likely that he has both lied and committed fraud/forgery here. The Aussie Minister can revoke his visa and has a very good reason to now. It is not a given that he will be banned for 3 years on top of that but he would have good reason to ban him too. It would not be good for the tournament or future tournaments and the future of the AO generally if he does that. But if the media keep pushing this it will be very hard for the Aus govt to ignore.
Report Wesdag January 11, 2022 6:42 PM GMT
Yep, something's brewing imo. All seemed a bit too convenient.
Report A_T January 11, 2022 6:50 PM GMT
Tennis Australia seem to have gone AWOL. Not only did they lie to Djokovic about what constituted a medical exemption but seems they may have falsified his travel documents. God they must have been desperate to have him in Melbourne.
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 9:49 PM GMT
"It seems likely that he has both lied and committed fraud/forgery here. The Aussie Minister can revoke his visa and has a very good reason to now."

are they going to get involved in determining whether a serbian test cert is legit or not?
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 9:49 PM GMT
based on a media story?
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 9:49 PM GMT
opening a can of worms i would imagine
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 9:50 PM GMT
i think they've madde their point by now

they made it very clear they didn't want him and tried to stop him playing
Report Latalomne January 11, 2022 9:53 PM GMT
Whatever the truth is, it's clear he's been a bit of a c&#t at least once in all of this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59958662
Report lurka January 11, 2022 10:13 PM GMT
Who says they have to get involved in anything? The Minister has discretion to revoke his visa. He can look at all this and the failure to isolate and join the dots if he hasn't already. Only going to happen if the media keep the pressure on tho imo.
Report Giuseppe January 11, 2022 10:20 PM GMT
yes but he will have to justify it, he will ahve to get involved in the specifics of his test hi cert etc

its a big risk and could get messy
Report Latalomne January 12, 2022 9:58 AM GMT
Whoever's advising him would do well to tell him to button it, IMHO.  Every time he opens his mouth, the hole keeps expanding in different directions.
Report Pilsudski January 12, 2022 10:37 AM GMT
Not only is he an arrogant xxxx,he’s a liar and a cheat.What else has he covered up over the years ?
Report Wesdag January 12, 2022 12:02 PM GMT
PEDs?

Suddenly turned into superman since 2011.

Prior to that, he was as weak as p iss.
Report Platini January 12, 2022 12:28 PM GMT
Report Platini January 12, 2022 5:17 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HliNLBvLV0M

Laugh
Report Des Pond January 12, 2022 6:27 PM GMT
When asked for his opinion on the matter, Andy murray said: " I really don't think it's good for tennis,. I think it's really bad." Wow, thanks for that staggering insight, Andy! Sad  Even his ultra lightweight brother would struggle to come up with anything less perceptive and more meaningless than that. If that's the best he can come up with, why even bother asking him?
Report bobweenit January 12, 2022 7:59 PM GMT

Jan 12, 2022 -- 4:37AM, Pilsudski wrote:


Not only is he an arrogant xxxx,he’s a liar and a cheat.What else has he covered up over the years ?


He slipped your M0m 1 ? Heard he has a penchant for the ladies.
Humble guy is Novak just a will to win and confidence in his own beliefs dont make him arrogant
All u whining mugs moaning about a few white lies he told to get ar0und this totalitarian bs are the same types that actually got your phone out and tracked and traced ExcitedLaugh

Report bobweenit January 12, 2022 8:05 PM GMT

Jan 12, 2022 -- 6:02AM, Wesdag wrote:


PEDs?Suddenly turned into superman since 2011.Prior to that, he was as weak as p iss.


Dont u do y0ur research he just stopped buying Warburt0ns , simples bruvWink

Report Wesdag January 12, 2022 8:20 PM GMT
Visa getting cancelled again Thursday.
Report Angela Rebecchi January 12, 2022 9:29 PM GMT
Market seems to think so. Where are you seeing this news?
Report Giuseppe January 12, 2022 9:40 PM GMT
it shouldn't affect the market though should it?

"If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void. For the avoidance of doubt, qualifying is not considered part of the tournament"

does start a tournament mean hit a ball?
Report Angela Rebecchi January 12, 2022 9:47 PM GMT
It will affect the market as Daniil and Alex and the rest will be shorter without Novak. Daniil has moved in quite a bit in the last few hours. So someone seems to think Novak is in a spot of trouble still.
Report Wesdag January 12, 2022 10:02 PM GMT
Journos with govt contacts.
Report lurka January 12, 2022 11:13 PM GMT
Yeah there are a few stories in the Aussie papers about it today quoting 'sources' and saying that Djok's lawyers have been making submissions to the govt behind the scenes and the govt are leaning towards deporting him.
Report lurka January 12, 2022 11:14 PM GMT
It's more of a political decision tho than a question of what is the right thing to do.
Report Angela Rebecchi January 12, 2022 11:15 PM GMT
Can't see it myself. Would actually be amazed if he was deported. 1.5 on Smarkets to play looks a superb bet.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 12, 2022 11:55 PM GMT
how is the liqiudity there now?
how much do you think it would have been on Betfair if there had been a market?
Report Wesdag January 12, 2022 11:55 PM GMT
Tbf, he's told more lies in the last 3 weeks than even Boris could manage.

Aussies would look like mugs if someone could so blatently lie & remain.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 13, 2022 12:39 AM GMT
Paul Sakkal @paulsakkal
·8m
Djokovic decision likely this afternoon - #AO2022 draw around same time

Lawyers will prob appeal a deportation. Court process could drag into next week if fed court unable to sit Friday

Hawke has shut himself off from wider govt

https://theage.com.au/national/australia-news-live-novak-djokovic-visa-saga-continues-as-star-apologises-for-attending-interview-after-positive-test-covid-19-cases-continue-to-grow-across-the-nation-20220112-p59nr8.html
@Gallo_Ways

@theage
Report wisewords January 13, 2022 1:13 AM GMT
Djokovic vs. Hawke
Report bobweenit January 13, 2022 1:42 AM GMT
Wisew0rdz says let Nole run free!!!
Report brain dead jockeys January 13, 2022 1:57 AM GMT
i sense a deportation.........
Report Journeyman January 13, 2022 2:32 AM GMT
Don't agree with Navratilova equating being out of a tournament for pulling a hamstring with Novak's situation.

If you're injured you're not potentially going to win the event, if you're fit and ready to play but sent home for political reasons then you're not being allowed to win the event.
(thus the eventual 'winner' is only effectively winning the 'without Djokovic' market. IMHO!)

But the die is almost certainly cast now, we shall see. I just want to see the man play.
Report Journeyman January 13, 2022 4:04 AM GMT
What he did was rash, going to an interview and breathing the omicron on a journalist's face. Of course that is the case, he knows it's the case. Ana Brnabić has made it clear he'll be disciplined Serbian style when he gets home for the rash behaviour.

But it shouldn't be relevant to whether he plays in the event when he has won his court case. It's two separate things.
Report brain dead jockeys January 13, 2022 4:14 AM GMT
aus open draw postponed.........is joko getting booted?
Report Journeyman January 13, 2022 4:42 AM GMT
Neil Breen from 9

While Djokovic could still get the chance to compete in front of "amazing fans", Breen is reporting the Serbian could be removed from Australia before the end of the tournament due to the timing of the chaotic saga.

"There is word the government will cancel Novak Djokovic's visa today – and that will lead to this scenario," Breen wrote on Twitter.

"His legal team will file an injunction, which will be heard tomorrow.

"Djokovic will be drawn to play in the Australian Open as top seed.

"Injunction will be granted. Case heard next week.

"He will then play, meaning he could be thrown out mid-tournament if court upholds Immigration Minister's decision.
Report Journeyman January 13, 2022 4:50 AM GMT
^
This would tie in with why the draw is still taking place. Still a mess!
Report Pilsudski January 13, 2022 10:53 AM GMT
Wesdag at 23:55……..Johnson or Becker ?
Report mafeking January 13, 2022 2:16 PM GMT
looks like australia are looking for even more ways to make themselves look a total laughing stock Confused
Report Journeyman January 13, 2022 2:45 PM GMT
If he was thrown out today then going by the timescale Neil Breen's calculated he would play what 3 or 4 matches once the injunction was granted and the case was being heard.

From a betting point of view this would obviously have opened up interesting opportunities for players in Novak's quarter.

However that doesn't seem to be happening.

If he was to lose a match before Hawke makes his decision that would solve the issue of having to throw him out mid tournament.
I'm not suggesting anything that crazy is what they're hoping for here, but at this stage anything is possible.
Report Latalomne January 14, 2022 8:18 AM GMT
Well done, Alex Hawke.
Report Pilsudski January 14, 2022 9:28 AM GMT
Well done indeed.
Report lord skywalker January 14, 2022 11:19 AM GMT
"Djokovic's lawyers have called the decision "patently irrational" and say they will appeal."   the absolute arrogance of novak, lies on the travel forms breaks serbian covid rules then says the aussies are behaving irrationly, what a tool!!!
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 14, 2022 12:29 PM GMT

Jan 14, 2022 -- 2:18AM, Latalomne wrote:


Well done, Alex Hawke.


but did he leave too much time on the clock?

Report phil mack January 15, 2022 10:42 AM GMT
good on Australia , rules are rules , get vaxed or F... off back to Serbia
Report knavesmire007 January 15, 2022 12:02 PM GMT
Australian border force will decide if you are allowed into the country,not the biased in his favour, Tennis Australia.
Report Giuseppe January 15, 2022 4:30 PM GMT
"rules are rules"

don't the rules allow for medical exemptions?
Report breadnbutter January 15, 2022 9:50 PM GMT
Djoko prob doing a lot of damage to the antibody status v vaccine status argument.

Looks like he wasn't positive in Dec and won't want to prove it through a test, if he was he could prove he had covid has  antibodies and doesn't need vaxxed and is not a health threat but it won't go down this road.

It has been steered away from natural  resistance from prior infection for a while now with no real proof of antibodies from vaccine either.

They want another level of control via vax passport, just a backdoor ID card.

Odds novak had covid in Dec are very high imo.

He must of been promised it wouldn't get challenged.

Hope he can recover mentally and get back on track as looks like it's over here, what are rules for his travel to France/UK/USA????

To my thinking if you can prove via a test you have antibodies then I don't see why a vaccine is needed,expecially for elite sports people.

Fitter than a butchers dog, the risk from vaxx to risk from covid changes imo, fit people under a certain age should never have been jabbed, kids as well, no way.

Anyway best for punting if novak is either in or out, maybe nae use imo.
Report Journeyman January 15, 2022 10:30 PM GMT
Not long to go now.

A couple of fairly relevant updates from Chip Le Grand's report for The Age

Djokovic’s fate, which will be decided by the Federal Court on Sunday, no longer turns on whether he should have been given a medical exemption to play in next week’s Australian Open and whether, on the basis of the documentation he had, he should have been allowed to cross the Australian border.

As far as Immigration Minister Alex Hawke is concerned, those matters are no longer in dispute. In a stunning series of concessions that form part of the government’s high-stakes legal strategy, Mr Hawke accepts that Djokovic has a medical reason for not being vaccinated, came here with a valid exemption and posed a low risk of either getting or passing on the virus while in Australia.
He has abandoned all grounds on which Djokovic’s legal team had amassed a mountain of scientific and other evidence – all of it still untested – on which to defend his right to stay in this country.
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If it is inclined to take Mr Hawke’s concessions at face value, Tennis Australia may even be tempted to claim vindication.
It can point to the fact that the minister now accepts that the decision of its independent medical panel to award Djokovic a medical exemption on the grounds of a recent COVID-19 infection was consistent with the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation’s guidelines.


Full article here
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis-australia-on-the-sidelines-but-not-off-the-hook-20220115-p59ogu.html
Report Journeyman January 15, 2022 11:42 PM GMT
Almost 30 minutes into the stream and it's evident that this is all coming down to whether Hawke can demonstrate

'The mere presence of Mr Djokovic in Australia might foster anti vax sentiment'

Paul McNamee nailed the crux of this, (I know this was posted elsewhere earlier)

Reminder ribbon Paul McNamee
@PaulFMcNamee
·
15h
I (perhaps thankfully) have commitments the next few hours. This case will turn on whether Djokovic may increase anti-vaxx sentiment given his high profile. There’s a strong perception he’s an anti-vaxxer but, problem is, he is not. I trust the court to view it dispassionately Folded hands

Wood has pointed out that Novak's most recently expressed views include that

1 - admits he is no expert
2 - he has an open mind about it
3 - wanted to choose what was best for his body
Report Giuseppe January 15, 2022 11:47 PM GMT
bread nu butter

might be wrong but i don't think it can be proved you had covid or not through an antibody test
Report Giuseppe January 15, 2022 11:58 PM GMT
"There’s a strong perception he’s an anti-vaxxer but, problem is, he is not"

interesting twist!
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 16, 2022 12:18 AM GMT
"There’s a strong perception Rafa Nadal's an arse-picker but, problem is, he is not"
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 12:19 AM GMT
Exactly Giuseppe I think it's going to be absolutely pivotal.

McNamee also laterretweeted this c/o SFC_Debs

Australian Lawyers Alliance has given Novak Djokovic its support in his appeal against the cancellation of his visa.
Spokesman Greg Barnes SC said 'One of the most dangerous aspects of the Djokovic matter is the preparedness of the federal government to deem someone to be a risk to public order simply on the basis of what it perceives his views might be.;
This is Orwellian and it is deeply troubling in a society supposedly committed to freedom of speech and freedom of thought'


Interesting that Woods said earlier in the current stream that Hawke had the opportunity to check with Novak what his current views are but didn't do so.
Report brain dead jockeys January 16, 2022 12:37 AM GMT
no idea what will happen........by the way......medvedev has a dream draw
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 12:50 AM GMT
Lloyd (for govt) is focussing on what Hawke is entitled to infer as a response to Wood pointing out that Novak's current position had not been sought out.

The word 'infer' being used repeatedly.

Pointing out Novak is not vaccinated as of January 2022.
Lloyd says 'It's open to infer that Novak could have been vaccinated if he wanted to be / the minister is entitled to assume that it was his choice.'

Says he fact that he may change hie mind one day doesn't make the minister's inference invalid.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 1:10 AM GMT
Lloyd says Hawke's concern is Novak fostering anti-vax sentiment not just among anti-vax community but all Australians.

Interestingly Lloyd now broadening Hawke's concern beyond anti-vax to anti-mask behaviour (ie when Novak went on Instagram to talk about his regret that he didn't cancel the interview with the L'Equipe journalist after testing positive).

Adds that Hawke inferred that Novak's presence in Australia would cause people to emulate this anti-mask behaviour.

Points out that people use high level athletes to promote ideas and causes. Says we're not inferring Novak is actually 'advertising' this behaviour but his connection to a cause has a comparable effect.
Report Angela Rebecchi January 16, 2022 1:11 AM GMT
It is a disgraceful position though. If this was their view then they should have made this an unequivocal red line before entering the country, no exceptions or exemptions.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 1:18 AM GMT
Absolutely. I think it's wild.

I was assuming this would come down to a mix of the legal and the political.
I didn't in a million years think that after Novak winning the first case and the visa being revoked again they would just concede the legal side and suddenly rest everything on demonstrating what Novak's views are (based on inference without consulting Novak) and what effect this would have on the Australian public.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 1:46 AM GMT
Lloyd finished up by saying the minister is aware that there are consequences for his decision and that Hawke is aware of unrest, effect on good health and good order, and was aware of the protest the day after court's decision.

Refers to 'this notion of Political issues. This is not a minister that is not thinking the consequences of a cancellation decision or a non cancellation decision.'

Court will adjourn till 1.30 UST+11 ie 2.30 UK time
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 1:52 AM GMT
Clarification.

Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
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24m
^To clarify, the government lawyer seemed to be referring to protests/unrest earlier in the week, not yesterday's demonstration.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 3:01 AM GMT
We're back !!

Lloyd saying Novak would have to establish that if Hawke considered the thing he did not consider (consulting Novak about his current views) then there would be a reasonable possibility of a different result.

Lloyd saying that Hawke had taken a broad spectrum of considerations into account (eg public health, good order, potential for protest in response to a decision)

Also saying there is no evidence that Novak would have said anything that would have made a difference if his views had been sought.

'The incremental drop of thought on what was already a substantial pool of thinking could not have made a realistic difference to the outcome.'
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 16, 2022 3:15 AM GMT
Lloyd done.
Wood saying he will just make a brief reply.
We might have a decision soon.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 3:16 AM GMT
Lloyd saying if Novak won the Open it's an example for young and not so young fans of tennis.

Lloyd refers twice to vaccination rate being low in Serbia. Refers to Novak having become an icon for anti-vax groups.

He adds that in the same way that Novak associates with a whole range of products which does well for those endorsements. Rightly or wrongly he is seen to endorse and anti-vax view and this is what leads to the healthcare consequences.

'The knowledge of his perceived, historical and unanswered views could be seen to contribute to those issues.
That is all that is required for the minister to make the inference'
(that Novak is an influence to those who look up to him not just in advertising but in political and other roles'

Now Wood to reply
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:24 AM GMT
he might incite anti-vax and and anti-mask sentiment

God forbid
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:24 AM GMT
Aussie government looking ridiculous
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:25 AM GMT
could Novak maybe be asked not to discuss vaccines and masks as part of a deal to let him stay?
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:29 AM GMT
"Adds that Hawke inferred that Novak's presence in Australia would cause people to emulate this anti-mask behaviour."

does this guy understand how little masks stop trnsmission?

medical experts in the US now basically admitting short of an N95 mask is useless
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:29 AM GMT
medical experts in the US now basically admitting ANYTHING short of an N95 mask is useless
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:31 AM GMT
that's the great irony here

vaccines and masks are not stopping trandmission

the whole basis for Novak (and all Aussies) to get vaccinated and to wear a mask is flawed
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:33 AM GMT
"The knowledge of his perceived, historical and unanswered views could be seen to contribute to those issues."

Novak being deported for beliefs he has never actually stated

let's a new one surely
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:33 AM GMT
that's a new one surely
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 16, 2022 3:34 AM GMT
woohoo they're done.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 16, 2022 3:35 AM GMT
so now judges need to come to a decision.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 3:39 AM GMT
Wood -

Unreasonableness can be used to depricate the process by which a process was reached.

Assuming for the purpose of discussion that his decision might galvanise antivax activity. As soon as you accept that the minister had clearly identified this and linked this appropriately to the public interest. If one attributes awareness to the minister of the BBC article it becomes perverse/unreasonable for the minister not to do something with that awareness.
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 3:41 AM GMT
Timescale for decision - 'Later this afternoon'
Wood had said 'If the court were persuaded we would seek an order within 30 minutes'

It did seem that all involved were pretty keen to crack on with the whole thing
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:41 AM GMT
will this be the end of it all tonight, one way or the other?

any further options for Novak or Hawke if they lose?
Report Giuseppe January 16, 2022 3:43 AM GMT
Novak is in police custody in the meantime, is that correct?
Report brain dead jockeys January 16, 2022 3:45 AM GMT
novak was in his lawyers office for this
Report Journeyman January 16, 2022 3:47 AM GMT
He's in detention same place as before I think. that dodgy hotel with the flower paintings.

More clarification from Ben.

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Basically, because of this fast approaching #AusOpen deadline, the court plans to basically say today/tonight if Djokovic has won or lost his appeal, and then at a later time they would articulate specific reasons for that decision.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 16, 2022 3:53 AM GMT

Jan 15, 2022 -- 9:41PM, Giuseppe wrote:


will this be the end of it all tonight, one way or the other?any further options for Novak or Hawke if they lose?


If Novak loses he's out of the Aussie Open. From what I understand this being a full court the decision can't be appealed (that's why Team Djoko wanted to move on from just one judge, because those decisions can be appealed). But I don't know if there's some loophole around that or that Hawke can just cancel his visa again.

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