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TGMTEL
06 Aug 19 10:33
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I've noticed that matches involving the following players are not offered on the exchange:
Nedelko
Gabashvili
Any other ones?
And is it "allegedly" justified in both cases? Nedelko I've seen some very dodgy markets for so that doesn't surprise me. What about Gabashvili?

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By:
TGMTEL
When: 07 Aug 19 10:21
I see Gaba's match is on the exchange today. So a mistake today, a mistake yesterday (his 1st rd match wasn't offered) or do they just don't offer 1st round matches involving him?
By:
doridoru
When: 07 Aug 19 14:17
Nice fix today with Coppejans
By:
TGMTEL
When: 07 Aug 19 18:33
Back to not offering Gaba tomorrow it seems (they've put up markets for all other 3rd round matches where match-ups are known).
By:
Angoose
When: 07 Aug 19 18:35
You may be reading too much in to this, beware of confirmation bias.
Missing matches may simply be due to incompetence.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 07 Aug 19 19:15
I'm leaning towards offering him today was due to incompetence. Not offering three of his matches in the span of a week can not be a coincidence. Anyway, I have emailed them to hear what they have to say on the matter.
By:
Angoose
When: 07 Aug 19 21:11
Possibly, let us know what they say.
By:
edy
When: 08 Aug 19 11:31
I noticed something like this at the back end of 2018 at the Futures. I think it was at the Dominican Republic Futures. There was one player whose matches were always missing, but since I'm not entirely sure who it was, I'd rather not just say a name of who I think it likely was. It did look curious to me and I was thinking to myself if Betfair had blacklisted his matches.
By:
SabineIsGOAT
When: 09 Aug 19 10:14
definitely interesting that gabash match isn't available, they don't miss out matches often
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 10:43
Gaba won today and is now in the QF of the Challenger tournament in Manerbio. It did intrigue me how a former world no 43 is now hovering around at ~400 in the rankings so I looked up his results for the recent year. What's been going on, has he been injured a lot? It turns out he has actually played a full year (70 matches) since August 2018, won more than he has lost, but not made any big runs in tournaments (QF here and there are his best results), and only picked up a few points here and there and therefore not climbed the rankings. Record over this timeframe is 40 wins 30 losses. Hasn't played any top 100 players. Against the top 200 he is 4-1, so he is better than his ranking suggests. That being said, he's far away from the main tour and Slams so Betfair most likely doesn't need to worry about him showing up there anytime soon.
No word from Betfair yet btw.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 12:14
Betfair offering his QF later today Shocked
So that's R1 not offered, R2 offered, R3 not offered, QF offered for this week.
Maybe they have his phone tapped and knows if he's gonna fix or not on that particular day.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 13:13
They removed it Laugh
Do they read this message board? Hi Betfair Happy
By:
edy
When: 09 Aug 19 13:31
How do we know it wasn't because of Berrettini, King and Arnaboldi?
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 13:35
Because all their other matches were offered this week. Well, with the exception of Berrettini because he only had that one match against Gaba.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 13:43
They also must have high thoughts of Gaba's fixing skills if they thought he was gonna be able to organise something in the two hours between his 1st and 2nd match today.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 17:48
After not getting any response from Betfair I asked again, and this time I did get a response.
Unfortunately, it was completely useless.
"Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered and they are not required to offer any further explenation.
Kind Regards,"
Gaba is in the SF tomorrow btw.
By:
Angoose
When: 09 Aug 19 18:00
Basically, they told you to mind your own bleedin' business Shocked
By:
SabineIsGOAT
When: 09 Aug 19 18:01
If they don't have the SF available tomorrow that's very fishy
By:
Angoose
When: 09 Aug 19 18:06
When the boat comes in ?
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 18:22
Hello. What is Betfair’s policy regarding offering tennis matches on the exchange involving Teymuraz Gabashvili? I have noticed they are often not, presumably because of match fixing suspicions. For instance this week, his R1 match was not offered, his R2 match wasn’t and looking at schedule tomorrow it seems his R3 match tomorrow won’t be. So what gives?
And are there other players whose matches will not be offered on the exchange?
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Hello. I haven't heard back regarding this.
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BF: Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered and they are not required to offer any further explenation.
Kind Regards,
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Hello.
Well that’s a little disappointing. I was hoping for a more useful answer than that, especially after having waited two days for it, especially from VIP customer service. I wasn’t really asking for an explanation either, I was asking what the policy on offering his matches is, since Betfair offers some of his matches, but not others, and it would be helpful to know.
But since you have not offered 3 out of his 4 matches this week, I will assume that you have blacklisted him then, and that the one match offered was a mistake.
I am also not complaining about this. In fact I think it’s even commendable that you sacrifice some revenue in form of commission if you do it in order to protect the integrity of the sport and to protect customers from placing money on markets that might not be on the up and up. I just wish you could communicate what you are doing in a better way instead of giving vague replies like the ones you just gave me.
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BF: While I do completely understand where you're coming from, unfortunately as I stated, it does depend on the Traders, we are unable to provide any further information as to why or why not we do not offer specific markets or games.
I do sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, especially for the vague reply, however unfortunately there's not much further we can tell you.
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What is the purpose of this service if you can not answer questions? Rather than customer asking something and you saying "We don't know. It's a decision made by the traders", a more sensible approach would be that if customer asks something that only traders would know the answer to, you take the question, you then ask the traders, and once you have heard from them, you reply to the customer with this information if possible. When you don't give answers, customers will have to make assumptions and guesses and those might not be correct.
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BF: Kindly note that it's not that we don't know or that we can't ask the traders, however it's that the Traders and ourselves are not obliged to give out such information regarding your query.
I apologise once again if that's not what you want to hear however unfortunately there's nothing further we can do.
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I can see why you don’t want to say why, I really don’t see why you can’t confirm that you are not offering his matches though. But based on recent evidence I will have to assume that that is the case and that the one match offered involving him this week was a mistake.
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BF: I do sincerely apologise however as stated, we are unable to provide any information regarding this as we are not obligated to.

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By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 18:23
^that's the whole thing. as you can see they are very hush-hush about it.
I would be very surprised if they offer his SF tomorrow.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 18:26
I see now I made an error in my initial message to them, should have said R2 was offered, but don't think it made any difference to how they replied.
By:
edy
When: 09 Aug 19 19:16
Can't wait to bet on Lorenzi tomorrow.
By:
TGMTEL
When: 09 Aug 19 19:19
Ssssssssssssssshhh!
By:
TGMTEL
When: 10 Aug 19 16:29
His match was offered today. So for the week that's R1 not offered, R2 offered, R3 and QF not offered, SF offered.
Also, this comment stood out for me "Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered". I am asking about the exchange and they mention traders? Probably just a case of misunderstanding/cluelessness from helpdesk person. If not, it sounds like admitting they have traders working the exchange.
By:
doridoru
When: 10 Aug 19 16:44

Aug 10, 2019 -- 4:29PM, TGMTEL wrote:


His match was offered today. So for the week that's R1 not offered, R2 offered, R3 and QF not offered, SF offered. Also, this comment stood out for me "Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered". I am asking about the exchange and they mention traders? Probably just a case of misunderstanding/cluelessness from helpdesk person. If not, it sounds like admitting they have traders working the exchange.


Obvious they have traders, that's who shuts the exchange down when they make a big mistake

By:
TGMTEL
When: 10 Aug 19 16:51
Yes, but we are not supposed to know that, correct? It would raise all kinds of integrity questions if they were to admit that.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 19 16:57
I thought that was done by suspend monkeys in their Gibraltar HQ.
By:
doridoru
When: 10 Aug 19 17:26

Aug 10, 2019 -- 4:57PM, edy wrote:


I thought that was done by suspend monkeys in their Gibraltar HQ.


Monkeys?

REPORTED

By:
Angoose
When: 10 Aug 19 17:54
Barbary apes, not monkeys.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 19 18:41
While I acknowledge that barbary apes is a commonly used name, it is also a misleading name. They're monkeys, not apes.
By:
Angoose
When: 10 Aug 19 19:21
Tell Wikipedia Cry
By:
edy
When: 12 Aug 19 08:28
There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?
By:
edy
When: 12 Aug 19 08:29
But Nedelko is listed in Meerbusch.
By:
edy
When: 12 Aug 19 08:35

Aug 12, 2019 -- 8:28AM, edy wrote:


There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?


Pinny is also missing exactly one first round match from Portoroz.

By:
edy
When: 12 Aug 19 11:50
Reboul has some sort of trouble with his movement, but his opponent is a local waiter Sad
By:
edy
When: 12 Aug 19 11:52
Think he's close to cramping
By:
edy
When: 12 Aug 19 11:53
local waiter messed that one up
By:
TGMTEL
When: 12 Aug 19 11:59

Aug 12, 2019 -- 8:28AM, edy wrote:


There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?


oh no. Match was listed earlier. So I would think all matches are put on the exchange by default, then when someone remembers to check the blacklist Gaba's matches is taken away. Or it's up to trader if they want to keep it or not. All we can do is speculate since they won't give us an answer.

By:
TGMTEL
When: 12 Aug 19 12:00

Aug 12, 2019 -- 8:29AM, edy wrote:


But Nedelko is listed in Meerbusch.


OMG. And offered in-play as well.

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