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TGMTEL
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I've decided to come up with a little competition where we try to pick the future stars of tennis. This one is for ATP, there is also another thread for WTA. Despite the wall of text it's pretty straightforward.

HERE'S HOW IT WORKS (selection process):
* You get two picks per year and you can make these whenever you like in 2019. At the beginning of 2020 (we will go by UKT), you get another two picks (you can make these picks whenever you like during the year), another two for 2021 etc. After a few years you will have hopefully built up quite the stable.
* You can pick any player born 2002 or later.
* You can make your two picks at the same time or one at a time.
* If another contestant has already picked a player, no-one else can pick this player.
* You can not change picks.
* You can not save picks to the next year.
* Born 2002 or later will always apply so if there's some late bloomer born in 2002 that is developing in x amount of years from now, you can still choose them at the time regardless of age.
There's no deadline for this, you can join in whenever you like.


BUT HOW DO WE GET POINTS?
Here's how the scoring works. Points will be awarded for ranking success and title success.
Ranking: If your player go on to become a top 20 player, you earn 1 point. If your player becomes a top 10 player, you earn another 1 pt (so 2 pts), if your player becomes top 5 you earn another 1 pt (so 3 pts) and if your player goes on to become world number one you earn another 1 pt (so 4 pts).
Titles: If your player wins a main draw tour title, you earn 1 pt.
If your player reaches a Grand Slam final, you earn 1.5 pts. If your player wins a Grand Slam, you earn another 1 pt (so 2.5 pts). If your player wins three or more Grand Slams, you earn another 1,5 points (so 4 pts).
This means the total number of points won for a pick can be 9 points, 4 from ranking success and 5 from title success. You can not get points for things that have already happened. (So let's say you pick some late bloomer who just won his/her first main tour title, you will not get a point for that, but will get points for whatever achievements your player accomplishes later).


I will try to keep the thread updated with picks and scores so it's easy to know which players have already been picked. First contestant to 15 points wins the competition.
Good luck. You can make pick(s) for 2019 now if you want or you can scout and wait til later. Just do them before the year is over. Make the picks in this thread. If you have questions, just ask here.
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Report aaronh August 1, 2019 10:15 PM BST
Lorenzo Musetti, Holgar Rune
Report TGMTEL August 1, 2019 10:56 PM BST
for clarification: "If your player wins a main draw tour title, you earn 1 pt." refers to ATP 250 and above.
Report edy August 1, 2019 11:38 PM BST
Carlos Alcarez

Martin Damm
Report GRANTCKING August 3, 2019 10:26 PM BST
I pick a young Spanish left hander from Majorca, Rafael Nadal
Report nofx August 26, 2019 11:20 PM BST
Zachary Svajda
Report SamuelMertensBertens December 8, 2019 3:36 PM GMT
Just a reminder for those of you who haven't made any or all of your picks for this year, you have until the year is over, so Dec 31, 23:59 UKT, to do so. From Jan 1, 0:00 UKT you can pick new player(s) for 2020.
Report SamuelMertensBertens December 21, 2019 6:20 PM GMT
Shintaro Mochizuki
Harold Mayot
Report SamuelMertensBertens February 3, 2020 11:52 AM GMT
https://twitter.com/LWOSdamiankust/status/1223608715217162240
Thread comparing edy's and arrong's flags.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 16, 2020 4:55 PM BST
Maks Kasnikowski
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 27, 2020 5:47 PM BST
Carlos Alcaraz
Report edy March 23, 2021 5:49 AM GMT
Junseng Shang
Report edy March 23, 2021 5:49 AM GMT
SamuelMertensBertens • September 27, 2020 5:47 PM BST
Carlos Alcaraz


Oh c'mon now...One little misspelling...
Report SamuelMertensBertens March 23, 2021 1:01 PM GMT
Devil
Report SamuelMertensBertens March 27, 2021 1:34 PM GMT
Dominic Stephan Stricker
Report bobweenit March 31, 2021 12:40 AM BST

Aug 3, 2019 -- 10:26PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


I pick a young Spanish left hander from Majorca, Rafael Nadal


No wo0nder this mug got banned.

Report SamuelMertensBertens May 1, 2021 5:20 PM BST
Flavio Cobolli
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 25, 2021 9:10 PM BST
Edy, despite sloppy spelling, is the first person on the leaderboard in this competition thanks to Carlos Alcaraz winning Umag.

STANDINGS:
1) Edy 1 pt (Alcaraz)
2) everybody else on 0 pts
Report edy December 10, 2021 9:12 PM GMT
2021 #2: Luca van Assche
Report Journeyman December 11, 2021 3:25 AM GMT
After Emma's 'Pimms and strawberries in New York' victory
there's going to be an elevated competitiveness and hunger in the young Brits in 2022

So my 1st ever ATP flag is - J.Pinnington-Jones (GB)
Report Journeyman December 21, 2021 6:29 PM GMT
I can't find a Slovak player that's quite flag-ready
so I shall go with another Czech - D.Svrcina
Report Journeyman January 1, 2022 12:00 AM GMT
J.Kym
A.Fils
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 1, 2022 12:14 AM GMT
Arthur Cazaux
Report SamuelMertensBertens February 20, 2022 10:09 PM GMT
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 2 pts (Alcaraz 2 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
2) everybody else on 0 pts
Report edy February 21, 2022 1:35 AM GMT
Cool
Report edy March 10, 2022 12:16 AM GMT

Mar 23, 2021 -- 6:49AM, edy wrote:


Junseng Shang


This of course meant Juncheng Shang. He must have changed his name.

Report SamuelMertensBertens April 24, 2022 6:36 PM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 3 pts (Alcaraz 3 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10)
2) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens May 1, 2022 1:50 PM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 3 pts (Alcaraz 2 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
2) arrong 1 pt (Holger Rune 1 pt for winning title)
3) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 1, 2022 3:24 PM BST
Hamad Medjedovic
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 25, 2022 12:52 AM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 4 pts (Alcaraz 4 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5)
2) arrong 2 pts (Holger Rune 1 pt for winning title, Lorenzo Musetti 1 pt for winning title)
3) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 12, 2022 3:13 AM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 2 pts (Holger Rune 1 pt for winning title, Lorenzo Musetti 1 pt for winning title)
3) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 12, 2022 3:19 AM BST
Clarification: Winning the ATP Next Gen Championships is not considered a main draw main tour title by this committee. Has not come into play so far because Carlos had already won Umag before he won that event, but now everyone knows in case someone wins this in the future.
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 12, 2022 3:20 AM BST
should of course say Alcaraz 7.5 points for edy's score. Will fix next time I update the score.
Report edy September 19, 2022 12:09 AM BST
Alcaraz is working out reasonably well so far, so I'm going to go with another Spaniard in Martin Landaluce for my first pick of 2022.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 23, 2022 4:32 PM BST
Great Sunday for arrong's flags. Top 20 soon.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 31, 2022 7:53 PM GMT
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 3 pts (Holger Rune 2 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, Lorenzo Musetti 1 pt for winning title)
3) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 6, 2022 4:46 PM GMT
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 4 pts (Holger Rune 3 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, Lorenzo Musetti 1 pt for winning title)
3) everybody else on 0 pts
Report edy November 21, 2022 2:29 AM GMT
Pick #2 2022: Luca Nardi
Report wisewords December 1, 2022 2:51 PM GMT
who?
Report edy December 31, 2022 8:04 AM GMT
The guy that will provide me with my remaining needed 2.5 points.
Report wisewords December 31, 2022 4:16 PM GMT
oh
Report SamuelMertensBertens December 31, 2022 11:09 PM GMT
you're only going for 10 pts?
Report edy December 31, 2022 11:54 PM GMT
I was, but I now see that you totally must have changed the initial rules, because I would never get these things wrong otherwise.
Report SamuelMertensBertens December 31, 2022 11:59 PM GMT
I don't have editing powers anymore now that bcm3 is no more.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 1, 2023 12:00 AM GMT
Ben Shelton
Report Journeyman January 1, 2023 3:20 AM GMT
K. Feldbausch
G.A. Bailly
Report Journeyman January 2, 2023 2:24 PM GMT
No reason why you should have to do all the work.
Players picked so far.

Lorenzo Musetti
Holgar Rune
Carlos Alcaraz (despite Edy spelling error)
Martin Damm
Rafael Nadal (good pick but invalid under Rule 2)
Zachary Svajda
Shintaro Mochizuki
Harold Mayot
Juncheng Shang (despite Edy spelling error)
Dominic Stricker
Flavio Cobolli
Luca van Assche
Jack Pinnington-Jones
Dalibor Svrčina
Jérôme Kym
Arthur Fils (sulker but breaks through in 2023)
Arthur Cazaux
Hamad Medjedovic
Martin Landaluce
Luca Nardi (who?)
Ben Shelton
Kilian Feldbausch
Gilles-Arnaud Bailly
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 2, 2023 11:20 PM GMT
thanks :)

I was dreading this due to some of my terrible pics early on so thanks for doing it for me.

I've heard some good things about Luca Nardi btw.

Agreed about Rafael Nadal being invalid, even now with there being another Rafael Nadal in the tennis world. For the next edition, I'll add the rule that players have to be actually born in order to be eligible.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 2, 2023 11:23 PM GMT
and to maintain fairness, not only edy's spelling errors should be mocked. I mean Holgar LaughLaughLaugh by arrong.
Report Journeyman January 3, 2023 8:05 PM GMT
thanks :)
I was dreading this due to some of my terrible pics early on so thanks for doing it for me.


Speaking of which, woops I missed out Maks Kasnikowski.
let's not forget Maks Kasnikowski.

Just checked again, definitely not missed anyone else.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 3, 2023 10:56 PM GMT
he's not my worst. made the semis of a challenger recently, beating players such as Tracy's son's got it goin on and Vasek Pospisil Excited
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 21, 2023 4:32 AM GMT
my flag Cazaux, who I had given up on, on a nice run in Challengers at the moment. 12-0 to start the year including wins over Sandgren x2, Harris and Dennis Novak.
Report Journeyman January 21, 2023 12:37 PM GMT
^
Caramba pretending not to be excited by Shelton steamrolling into last 16
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 21, 2023 1:24 PM GMT
That's cool too, but it's more special when a player that hasn't already done things on the main tour, starts having success.
Report SamuelMertensBertens January 21, 2023 1:25 PM GMT
plus everyone knows about his success already, so no need for me to post updates Happy Everyone doesn't follow the hipster circuit.
Report Journeyman January 21, 2023 6:58 PM GMT
it's more special when a player that hasn't already done things on the main tour, starts having success


Exactly. That's a more succint version of the point I was making (badly) on the WTA thread. It's apples and oranges really.
Report SamuelMertensBertens March 10, 2023 6:09 AM GMT
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 5 pts (Holger Rune 3 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, Lorenzo Musetti 2 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
3) everybody else on 0 pts

Lorenzo top 20 was a while ago, I had missed it.
Report SamuelMertensBertens May 27, 2023 3:16 PM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 5 pts (Holger Rune 3 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, Lorenzo Musetti 2 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
3) Journeyman 1 pt (Arthur Fils 1 pt for winning title)
4) everybody else on 0 pts
Report wisewords May 27, 2023 3:25 PM BST
go Fils!
Report edy July 19, 2023 12:32 AM BST
pick 1 2023: Alex Michelsen
Report wisewords July 20, 2023 12:13 AM BST
why you pick local waiter?
Report SamuelMertensBertens August 17, 2023 12:02 AM BST
despite not winning a match since Wimbledon, Holger Rune reaches a CH ranking of no 5.
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 6 pts (Holger Rune 4 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, Lorenzo Musetti 2 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
3) Journeyman 1 pt (Arthur Fils 1 pt for winning title)
4) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens August 31, 2023 3:00 AM BST
pick 2 2023: Jakub Mensik
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 24, 2023 10:25 PM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong 6 pts (Holger Rune 4 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, Lorenzo Musetti 2 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
3) Journeyman 1 pt (Arthur Fils 1 pt for winning title)
4) SamuelMertensBertens 1 pt (Ben Shelton 1 pt for making top 20)
5) everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 27, 2023 1:51 PM BST
So people can get an overview on everybody's selections and how they are doing, I have posted the team the players belong to, how many points they have acquired and their current ranking. I might do the same with the WTA picks one day. I only came up with a witty name for Journeyman's team, but I am open to suggestions.

Team arrong
Lorenzo Musetti 2 pts Current ranking 18
Holgar Rune 4 pts Current ranking 4

Team edy
Carlos Alcaraz 7.5 pts Current ranking 2
Martin Damm Current ranking 365
Juncheng Shang Current ranking 160
Luca van Assche Current ranking 69
Martin Landaluce Current ranking 667
Luca Nardi Current ranking 135
Alex Michelsen Current ranking 110

Team nofx
Zachary Svajda Current ranking 167

Team SamuelMertensBertens
Shintaro Mochizuki Current ranking 195
Harold Mayot Current ranking 175
Maks Kasnikowski Current ranking 308
Dominic Stricker Current ranking 90
Flavio Cobolli Current ranking 122
Arthur Cazaux Current ranking 125
Hamad Medjedovic Current ranking 120
Ben Shelton 1 pt Current ranking 20
Jakub Mensik Current ranking 152

The Journeymen
Jack Pinnington-Jones Current ranking 608
Dalibor Svrčina Current ranking 158
Jérôme Kym Current ranking 472
Arthur Fils 1 pt Current ranking 44
Kilian Feldbausch Current ranking 822
Gilles-Arnaud Bailly Current ranking 637
Report Journeyman September 27, 2023 9:10 PM BST
The Journeymen Grin The rankings of my guys look relatively poor but come on. Edy and I are working hard to pick players that are either juniors or hipsters. You picked Shelton and you've just picked a player that was in the third round of a slam when you picked him! It would be fairer to put * astersisks after the players who had been picked BEFORE they played on the main tour? I still believe in Kilian. He has had some horrid orthopedic issues but he is probaly 4-6 years away from when he will really deliver.

None of which detracts from how cool Aaron's picks look. Just the two of them picked 4 years ago, Rune is one good coaching decision away from multiple slams and Musetti is probably the most exciting young player on the planet.
Report SamuelMertensBertens September 27, 2023 9:37 PM BST
Arrong's picks not that impressive imo. He had first dibs on Alcaraz and went with other players. 2002-2003 a fairly strong generation, it's been slim pickings after that.
Report Journeyman September 30, 2023 7:04 PM BST
Team arrong trousers
Team edy's steady-men
Team nofx-ing chance
Team caramba mamba
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 22, 2023 10:05 AM BST
STANDINGS:
1) Edy's steady-men 7.5 pts (Alcaraz 7.5 pts: 1 for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, 1 for making no 1, 1.5 for making Slam final, 1 for winning a Slam)
2) arrong trousers 6 pts (Holger Rune 4 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20, 1 for making top 10, 1 for making top 5, Lorenzo Musetti 2 pts: 1 pt for winning title, 1 for making top 20)
3) Caramba mamba 2 pts (Ben Shelton 2 pts, one for making top 20, one for winning title)
4) They Journeyman 1 pt (Arthur Fils 1 pt for winning title)
5) Team Nofx-ing chance and everybody else on 0 pts
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 22, 2023 10:44 AM BST
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9CFh3FWYAA31LW?format=jpg&name=small
Report Journeyman October 22, 2023 10:48 AM BST
^
Better than your ascii art skills anyway Silly
Report Journeyman October 22, 2023 10:55 AM BST
Tbf you came very close to being the first contestant to have two of their own flags contest a final.
I wonder who will be the first to manage that, probably aarong's trousers. Edy needs a second 'steady-man' to go on a run, at the moment he's poking them with a stick saying do something.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 22, 2023 11:01 AM BST
my ascii art is fine, just not on this phorum Cry
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 30, 2023 1:11 PM GMT
slightly offtopic, but what a shame this guy didn't choose tennis.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1718977782443565463
Report edy December 31, 2023 9:03 AM GMT
pick 2 2023 - Dino Prizmic
Report Journeyman January 1, 2024 12:00 AM GMT
The third French Arthur (Gea)
J.Fonseca
Report edy January 14, 2024 12:19 PM GMT
Will trade Prizmic for a package of Fils and the first round picks of the 2025, 2026 and 2027 draft.
Report edy January 16, 2024 1:02 AM GMT
Withdrawing the offer. Not trading for someone who loses sets to Vesely in 2024.
Report edy April 24, 2024 9:41 PM BST
pick 1 2024: Joel Josef Schwärzler
Report wisewords May 11, 2024 2:25 PM BST
Jagger Leach
Report edy May 21, 2024 2:38 PM BST
Pick 2 2024: Diego Dedura-Palomero
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