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By:
edy
When: 03 Dec 21 14:00
CryCryCryCry
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Dec 21 14:13
welcome to the competition, wisewords.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Dec 21 14:19
Selected players as of December 3, 2021
Clara Tauson
Daria Lopatetska
Polina Kudermetova
Whitney Osuigwe
Marta Kostyuk
Michaela Laki
Leylah Fernandez
Linda Fruhvirtova
Daria Snigur
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur
Brenda Fruhvirtova
Noma Noha Akugue
Katrina Scott
Alex Eala
Qinwen Zheng
Olivia Gadecki
Emma Raducanu
Ane Mintegi del Olmo
Sara Bejlek
Diane Parry
Linda Noskova
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva
By:
edy
When: 03 Dec 21 14:52
Guess I'll just have to rely on Alex Eala developing a serve then.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Dec 21 15:00
shame about Qinwen and no more tournaments in China. You can't count on the freebies that is lower level Chinese tournaments and will have to rely on her winning elsewhere.
By:
Journeyman
When: 01 Jan 22 00:00
E.Andreeva
R.Montgomery
By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 22 00:05
Nikola Bartunkova
Ksenia Efremova

Thanks everyone else for participating, but certain victory is mine now.
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Jan 22 03:28
I officially select Taylah Preston
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 07 Feb 22 02:17
Leylah made Top 20.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 4,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20)
2) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
3) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
4) everybody else 0 pts.

With more and more and players getting results, I might miss something, so while I will try to add points as they happen, keep track of your players and let me know if I missed anything.
By:
n88uk
When: 19 Mar 22 12:50
Petra Marcinko
By:
edy
When: 19 Mar 22 17:51
Fantastic flag.
By:
Journeyman
When: 19 Mar 22 20:21

Tennis Talk 2021: Vol 12 (Madrid, Estoril, Munich)
By edy on 29 Apr 21 12:48
btw., SaMeBe...flag Petra Marcinko!

Tennis Talk 2022: Vol 3 (Australian Open)
By edy on 29 Jan 22 07:56
Hey SaMeBe, flag Petra Marcinko. She just won the AO juniors and already turned heads on the ITF tour last season (beat Nara in her very first match as a pro)


It's testament to Edy's sphinxlike activity around flag-selling that she lasted this long Grin

This sadistically conceived format still has years to run but we might just look back on today as one of the key twists in the matrix
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 17 Apr 22 10:17
Mirra Andreeva
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 11 Jul 22 00:37
Emma made Top 10.
1) SamuelMertensBertens 5,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10)
2) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
3) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
4) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 28 Jul 22 15:27
Lucie Havlickova
By:
Journeyman
When: 18 Sep 22 17:21
Wd. Even further behind I go. Thanks to Diane Parry for mugging in Slovenia.

Good to see some proper action on here though, really since last September.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 Sep 22 17:21
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
3) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
4) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 Sep 22 18:19
There should be more points soon from the likes of Zheng, Kostyuk and Noskova. Will be interesting to see what Brenda can do on the big tour. Cleaning up at w25's at the moment.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 Sep 22 19:44
beep
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 22 Sep 22 17:49
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By:
edy
When: 01 Jan 23 00:00
2023 picks:

Renata Jamrichova
Julia Stusek
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 01 Jan 23 00:00
Barbora Palicova
By:
Journeyman
When: 01 Jan 23 03:21
V.Mboko
K.Dmitruk
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 02 Jan 23 06:21
Selected players as of January 2, 2023
Clara Tauson
Daria Lopatetska
Polina Kudermetova
Whitney Osuigwe
Marta Kostyuk
Michaela Laki
Leylah Fernandez
Linda Fruhvirtova
Daria Snigur
Joelle Lilly Sophie Steur
Brenda Fruhvirtova
Noma Noha Akugue
Katrina Scott
Alex Eala
Qinwen Zheng
Olivia Gadecki
Emma Raducanu
Ane Mintegi del Olmo
Sara Bejlek
Diane Parry
Linda Noskova
Victoria Jiménez Kasintseva
Erika Andreeva
Robin Montgomery
Nikola Bartunkova
Ksenia Efremova
Taylah Preston
Petra Marcinko
Mirra Andreeva
Lucie Havlickova
Renata Jamrichova
Julia Stusek
Barbora Palicova
Victoria Mboko
Kristina Dmitruk
By:
Journeyman
When: 15 Jan 23 12:46
I have a query that is probably worth bringing up now.
It's to do with clarifying the 'can't get points for things that hvae already happened' rule.

Firstly, let say there is an unpicked player that meets criteria, is in form and has qualified for a big event.
The obvious example here is Séléna Janicijevic who has just gone through three decent players in qualies for the loss of one set.
Let's say she goes on a run, gets to Week 2 of the AO and then somebody flags her.

Can they get points from an event that is already underway when she is picked?
(This would give the picker a significant edge imo as there is a possible 3.5 points for winning a slam
and whereas for example when you picked Emma after Wimbledon she then had to win ten games to win a slam later that year, a player could potentially be picked with three or less matches left to play)

Secondly, lets say someone picks a player after they have done something that would have been awarded points.
can they then get points from the player doing the same thing again? eg Let's say you had picked Linda after she won the Chennai Open.
Would you still be able to get points from her doing that 'thing that's already happened' again, ie if she won another 250 or higher?

Just feel it's probably worth clarifying this one rule before one of these situations actually arise.
By and large the rules have been effective, clear and covered most bases so you structured this well.
You also set what seems like a sensible points target (although the way the womens' comp is going, one or more of us may have expired by the time the comp ends Grin )
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 15 Jan 23 12:55
Firstly, let say there is an unpicked player that meets criteria, is in form and has qualified for a big event.
The obvious example here is Séléna Janicijevic who has just gone through three decent players in qualies for the loss of one set.
Let's say she goes on a run, gets to Week 2 of the AO and then somebody flags her.

Can they get points from an event that is already underway when she is picked?


YES

Secondly, lets say someone picks a player after they have done something that would have been awarded points.
can they then get points from the player doing the same thing again? eg Let's say you had picked Linda after she won the Chennai Open.
Would you still be able to get points from her doing that 'thing that's already happened' again, ie if she won another 250 or higher?


NO, cause her winning a title has already happened.
By:
Journeyman
When: 15 Jan 23 13:00
Ok thanks that's clear.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 15 Jan 23 13:01
You also set what seems like a sensible points target (although the way the womens' comp is going, one or more of us may have expired by the time the comp ends Grin )


I'm convinced there will be points distributed soon. With the likes of Zheng, Noskova and Kostyuk it's only a matter of time. Then there are some others looking to break through soon and with the older guard being phased out over the years and new players getting picked I every year I am not too worried about a stalemate here. Unlike with the maiden Slam winner comps ... Scared
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 15 Jan 23 13:02
If Zheng was a vulture she would have already won 250's but that is not her strategy.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 15 Jan 23 13:06
There should be some Slam winners in our list above or have collectively done a really poor job.
By:
Journeyman
When: 15 Jan 23 13:15
I do think most of these players will achieve their most meaningful successes between 21 and 27 years old anyway.
I wasn't at all bothered Noskova didn't win her 500 final because it's inevitable she'll picks up main tour titles and there's only  point for that anyway.
The ranking surge and the experience are much more important at this stage.

VJK has experienced so much..  a junior slam winning year, then a 'buzz' year, then a sort of consolidation year and now a new year and she's still only 17.
They're all still so young and the headline grabbing teenage slam finals don't come along very often.
By:
Journeyman
When: 08 Feb 23 14:56
I officially give up Diane Parry.

This is simply a personal choice and nothing to do with the rules as set by Caramba.
I would just prefer to play with picks that have not yet played on the main tour.
By:
wisewords
When: 08 Feb 23 15:06
Sofia Costoulas
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 08 Feb 23 15:55
Journeyman going into warfare in 2023 with sticks and stones Cry
By:
wisewords
When: 08 Feb 23 16:07
I officially select Sofia Costoulas.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 05 Mar 23 21:42
1) SamuelMertensBertens 6,5 pts (Emma Raducanu 2,5 pts for winning a Grand Slam, 1 pt for winning her first title, 1 pt for making top 20, 1 pt for making top 10, Linda Fruhvirtova 1 pt for winning WTA title)
2) Journeyman 3,5 pts (Leylah Fernandez 1 pt for winning WTA title, 1,5 pts for reaching Slam final, 1 pt for making top 20)
3) arrong 1 pt (Clara Tauson 1 pt for winning WTA title)
edy 1 pt (Marta Kostyuk 1 pt for winning WTA title)
5) everybody else 0 pts.
By:
wisewords
When: 05 Mar 23 23:34
edy making moves
By:
edy
When: 06 Mar 23 12:22
Go edy!
By:
wisewords
When: 19 Mar 23 17:14
I officially select Priska Madelyn Nugroho
By:
edy
When: 20 Mar 23 22:01
I can't believe you fell for that one.
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